On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:20:26 GMT, Sheila wrote:

The native red is an endangered species in the UK, whilst the grey
flourishes, on the back of the red, being larger, and clears out the
reds food first. Also, they pass on a disease which decimates the red's
also.

Squirrel pox is the major problem rather than greys out competing reds for
resoursces. Greys squirrle pox but it has little if any affect on them. An
infected red dies in around two weeks.

http://www.scottishsquirrelsurvey.co.uk/pox.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4093856.stm

http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main...-northwest/w-n
orthwest-news/w-northwest-news-squirrel_pox_formby.htm

I do hope that they do manage to control it. Though there is no date on
that "news" article, I assume they mean Nov 07.

We visited Formby last year, lots of Squirrels, sit still and they would
come very close. We have them around here (North Pennines) but ours a far
less habituated to humans... Late last year greys were spotted, fund
raising bought traps and a hotline to one of the local keepers published.
Any grey sticking its head up round here better be prepared to have it
blown off.

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Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail

Malcolm writes

In article , K
writes
Malcolm writes


It isn't necessary to kill all grey squirrels everywhere in the UK just to
keep them out of Formby.


Wrong. It is vital, not just necessary, to kill grey squirrels
anywhere where they are putting our increasingly endangered red
squirrel populations at risk, including many areas in Scotland.

I doubt whether killing greys in the middle of Leeds is going to do
much to help reds in Scotland, or even in Cumbria.

No, and I didn't say it would.

I take your point that your 'wrong' referred to the 'just to keep them
out of Formby' rather than to 'It isn't necessary to kill all grey
squirrels everywhere in the UK'. Not very clear from your original post
though! ;-)


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Kay

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:20:26 GMT, Sheila wrote:

The native red is an endangered species in the UK, whilst the grey
flourishes, on the back of the red, being larger, and clears out the
reds food first. Also, they pass on a disease which decimates the red's
also.

Squirrel pox is the major problem rather than greys out competing reds for
resoursces. Greys squirrle pox but it has little if any affect on them. An
infected red dies in around two weeks.

http://www.scottishsquirrelsurvey.co.uk/pox.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4093856.stm

http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main...-northwest/w-n
orthwest-news/w-northwest-news-squirrel_pox_formby.htm

I do hope that they do manage to control it. Though there is no date on
that "news" article, I assume they mean Nov 07.

We visited Formby last year, lots of Squirrels, sit still and they would
come very close. We have them around here (North Pennines) but ours a far
less habituated to humans... Late last year greys were spotted, fund
raising bought traps and a hotline to one of the local keepers published.
Any grey sticking its head up round here better be prepared to have it
blown off.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



An alternate view.. http://www.grey-squirrel.org.uk/
Lol

"Malcolm" wrote in message
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In article , Lol
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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:20:26 GMT, Sheila wrote:

The native red is an endangered species in the UK, whilst the grey
flourishes, on the back of the red, being larger, and clears out the
reds food first. Also, they pass on a disease which decimates the
red's
also.

Squirrel pox is the major problem rather than greys out competing reds
for
resoursces. Greys squirrle pox but it has little if any affect on them.
An
infected red dies in around two weeks.

http://www.scottishsquirrelsurvey.co.uk/pox.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4093856.stm

http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main...-northwest/w-n
orthwest-news/w-northwest-news-squirrel_pox_formby.htm

I do hope that they do manage to control it. Though there is no date on
that "news" article, I assume they mean Nov 07.

We visited Formby last year, lots of Squirrels, sit still and they would
come very close. We have them around here (North Pennines) but ours a
far
less habituated to humans... Late last year greys were spotted, fund
raising bought traps and a hotline to one of the local keepers
published.
Any grey sticking its head up round here better be prepared to have it
blown off.

--
Cheers
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



An alternate view.. http://www.grey-squirrel.org.uk/
Lol

I think it very appropriate to call the author of those pages a "nutter"
:-)

Do not believe everything written there!


Do not believe everything written anywhere :-)

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:01:27 +0000, Elizabeth
wrote:

Has anyone else got non-hibernating gray squirrels this year?

Normally I can feed the birds at this time of year without the feeders
being raided
Elizabeth in Renfrewshire, Scotland.
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Grey squirrels don't hibernate.

Also they are being persecuted unfairly by those who want to exploit
red squirrels as a tourist attraction.



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Misleading the public.

Whilst nobody wants the red squirrel to die out, the ongoing campaign
against grey squirrels is grossly unfair and doesn't stack up
factually.

Two reasons for the expansion of grey squirrels are the political fad
of planting native broadleaf trees and the exploitation of woodlands
for recreation purposes rather than havens for wildlife. Greys thrive
in deciduous woodlands and are less affected by human intrusion. These
policies do much to undermine the reds' habitat and their very
existence.

Because it is much easier to blame another species than our own
activities, grey squirrels are the conservationists' easy target and
are condemned as "aliens", even though, as individuals, they are as
native as any of us born in this country irrespective of colour or
creed. They are also condemned as carriers of Squirrel Poxvirus
(SQPV).

We are frequently told that the red squirrel has no immunity or
resistance to SQPV. However, I recently wrote to the Forestry
Commission, under the Freedom of Information Act, asking what evidence
existed that red squirrels had no immunity. I was subsequently
advised that "no routine testing of live red squirrels is undertaken"
and they "are not aware of any scientific evidence one way or another
as to whether or not there is a resistant population of reds out
there". Add to this, the Joint Nature Conservation Committee (JNCC),
that advises government on such matters, states that the origin of the
virus is "unknown". On this basis, there is no foundation whatsoever
to the claim that red squirrels have no immunity or resistance to
SQPV.

Even more significantly, early in the last century, out of forty-four
districts in England where red squirrels had the disease, only four of
them had grey squirrels present. This confirms that the disease was
endemic within the red squirrel population long before they had any
contact with greys.

Around the same time, red squirrels were shot almost to extinction by
estate owners fearing tree damage and were condemned as "tree-rats" -
a term now being used, just as unfairly, to demonise grey squirrels.
As a result of this killing spree the present stock of reds is not
indigenous to this country as they were re-introduced from Europe.

It seems the conservationists' hate campaign against grey squirrels
has reached such a pitch that they are prepared to ignore anything
factual that doesn't quite suit their agenda.

Conservationists who say red squirrels have no immunity or resistance
to SQPV and that grey squirrels are passing on the disease, are simply
misleading the public

The truth is they don't know!


Angus Macmillan
www.roots-of-blood.org.uk
www.killhunting.org
www.con-servation.org.uk

All truth passes through three stages:
First, it is ridiculed;
Second, it is violently opposed; and
Third, it is accepted as self-evident.
-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Elizabeth wrote:
Has anyone else got non-hibernating gray squirrels this year?

Normally I can feed the birds at this time of year without the feeders
being raided
Elizabeth in Renfrewshire, Scotland.
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This fella is a frequent visitor to my feeders:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...7603585384719/