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RFD: uk.rec.gardening.allotments
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group uk.rec.gardening.allotments This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, uk.rec.gardening.allotments NEWSGROUPS LINE: uk.rec.gardening.allotments RATIONALE: uk.rec.gardening.allotments The objective is to create a newsgroup in which 'Allotment holders' can discuss allotment issues. I have searched to find many allotment web sites and found that if this group was opened it would allow all allotment (and would be) allotment holders to to exchange views in one convenient place. This in turn would give valued exchange of views by every visitor. To also pick up tips and sometimes tricks into allotment gardening. One place that all Allotment holders can come to discuss any problems. Quite a few Allotments being taken over from the councils with self managed proposals and this newsgroup will be able to disuss this. Allotments are a UK institution (and worldwide) and we should have a place for it. CHARTER: uk.rec.gardening.allotments is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve as a forum for discussing the tradition of Allotment gardening. It is not on-topic to post commercial or personal ads of any kind to uk.rec.allotments. Debate is on-topic, but personal attacks are heavily frowned upon. Posts containing binaries are not on-topic, with the exception of PGP type signatures and X-Face avatars. All posts must be in plain text and not in HTML. PROCEDU For more information on the newsgroup creation process, please see: http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.p...icies:creation Those who wish to influence the development of this RFD and its final resolution should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads in that newsgroup. This is both a courtesy to groups in which discussion of creating a new group is off-topic as well as the best method of making sure that one's comments or criticisms are heard. All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals. To this end, the 'Followup-To' header of this RFD has been set to this group. If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well. We urge those who would like to read or post in the proposed newsgroup to make a comment to that effect in this thread; we ask proponents to keep a list of such positive posts with the relevant message ID (e.g., Barney Fife, ). Such lists of positive feedback for the proposal may constitute good evidence that the group will be well-used if it is created. DISTRIBUTION: This document has been posted to the following newsgroups: uk.net.news.config uk.net.news.announce uk.rec.gardening PROPONENT: G.Poston CHANGE HISTORY: 2004-3-22 1st RFD 2008-01-27 2nd RFD |
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This is great idea !
Jimbo "Gary Poston" wrote in message ... REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group uk.rec.gardening.allotments This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, uk.rec.gardening.allotments NEWSGROUPS LINE: uk.rec.gardening.allotments RATIONALE: uk.rec.gardening.allotments The objective is to create a newsgroup in which 'Allotment holders' can discuss allotment issues. I have searched to find many allotment web sites and found that if this group was opened it would allow all allotment (and would be) allotment holders to to exchange views in one convenient place. This in turn would give valued exchange of views by every visitor. To also pick up tips and sometimes tricks into allotment gardening. One place that all Allotment holders can come to discuss any problems. Quite a few Allotments being taken over from the councils with self managed proposals and this newsgroup will be able to disuss this. Allotments are a UK institution (and worldwide) and we should have a place for it. CHARTER: uk.rec.gardening.allotments is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve as a forum for discussing the tradition of Allotment gardening. It is not on-topic to post commercial or personal ads of any kind to uk.rec.allotments. Debate is on-topic, but personal attacks are heavily frowned upon. Posts containing binaries are not on-topic, with the exception of PGP type signatures and X-Face avatars. All posts must be in plain text and not in HTML. PROCEDU For more information on the newsgroup creation process, please see: http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.p...icies:creation Those who wish to influence the development of this RFD and its final resolution should subscribe to news.groups.proposals and participate in the relevant threads in that newsgroup. This is both a courtesy to groups in which discussion of creating a new group is off-topic as well as the best method of making sure that one's comments or criticisms are heard. All discussion of active proposals should be posted to news.groups.proposals. To this end, the 'Followup-To' header of this RFD has been set to this group. If desired by the readership of closely affected groups, the discussion may be crossposted to those groups, but care must be taken to ensure that all discussion appears in news.groups.proposals as well. We urge those who would like to read or post in the proposed newsgroup to make a comment to that effect in this thread; we ask proponents to keep a list of such positive posts with the relevant message ID (e.g., Barney Fife, ). Such lists of positive feedback for the proposal may constitute good evidence that the group will be well-used if it is created. DISTRIBUTION: This document has been posted to the following newsgroups: uk.net.news.config uk.net.news.announce uk.rec.gardening PROPONENT: G.Poston CHANGE HISTORY: 2004-3-22 1st RFD 2008-01-27 2nd RFD |
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"Gary Poston" wrote REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group uk.rec.gardening.allotments This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, uk.rec.gardening.allotments NEWSGROUPS LINE: uk.rec.gardening.allotments Don't like the idea, sorry. We can all use this Ng and learn from each other. -- Regards Bob Hobden 17mls W. of London.UK |
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Bob Hobden says...
"Gary Poston" wrote REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group uk.rec.gardening.allotments This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, uk.rec.gardening.allotments NEWSGROUPS LINE: uk.rec.gardening.allotments Don't like the idea, sorry. We can all use this Ng and learn from each other. I agree, the number of posts on here is relatively low anyway compared to other newsgroups. Another split of gardening topics will dilute it even more to the extent that there may be so few postings to URG and the allotments group that people just don't bother visiting the groups anymore. When the number of posts gets below a certain critical mass it portends the death of the group. -- David in Normandy |
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On 27 Jan, 01:26, "Gary Poston" wrote:
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group uk.rec.gardening.allotments This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, uk.rec.gardening.allotments (snip) This is an excellent idea. There's a lot of issues that affects allotments now more than ever and we've seen many times that when allotments are discussed here there's always a debate with a clear devide between those growing on allotments and those growing in private gardens. In these changing times we also know that the more 'conservative' gardener will sufer from the eminent changes in the way we run our gardens, however allotmenteers have gardened in a different way for decades and these changes won't affect them as much. This is also very important for a common voice via a common forum to air many issues allotmenteers have. I could also point out examples where I've been frustrated to see answers given to a query regarding growing a veg, on this occasion a 'tip' on an allotment because seemingly nobody had a clear answer - out of 8 posts 2 had valued comments, and those were from allotmenteers whilst others simply said that they had no experience but 'they had heard somewhere' ... and one post might have been misleading because the poster tentatively tried to give an answer without any knowledge. A group for allotmenteers would be an absolut gem as it will avoid confusion, will be straight from experience gardeners with a single aim, growing food on allotments. This wouldn't 'push' away any other gardeners, but the choice it would give would be an invaluable resource to anyone wanting to grow their food. |
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Isn't this a repeat of the same request from the same guy a couple of
years back? David in Normandy writes Bob Hobden says... "Gary Poston" wrote REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group uk.rec.gardening.allotments This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, uk.rec.gardening.allotments NEWSGROUPS LINE: uk.rec.gardening.allotments Don't like the idea, sorry. We can all use this Ng and learn from each other. I agree, the number of posts on here is relatively low anyway compared to other newsgroups. Another split of gardening topics will dilute it even more to the extent that there may be so few postings to URG and the allotments group that people just don't bother visiting the groups anymore. When the number of posts gets below a certain critical mass it portends the death of the group. -- Kay |
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"Martin" wrote in message
... On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:25:00 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Gary Poston" wrote REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group uk.rec.gardening.allotments This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, uk.rec.gardening.allotments NEWSGROUPS LINE: uk.rec.gardening.allotments Don't like the idea, sorry. We can all use this Ng and learn from each other. The discussion is supposed to be in uk.net.news.config . Maybe somebody can retrieve the discussion and the final uk.rec.gardening.allotments RFD from last time? -- Martin I think that having another forum to discuss allotments is definitely not a good idea. We need to stay together and pool our ideas in one group otherwise we will tend to lose touch with each others interests and problems. Sacha says: 'An allotment is just another garden, after all' and I agree with her, wholeheartedly. Regards, Emrys Davies. |
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Sacha says...
I can't really see the point in an allotment group. People who post here that grow vegetables or flowers for cutting, don't always use allotments to do so! Allotmenteers would lose their experience and tips and vice versa, it seems to me. An allotment is just another garden, after all. Another issue would be "grey areas". For example fruit trees, gardening tools, propagators, seeds and seedlings, pests and diseases. Should they post to URG or to the allotment group? They could always cross-post I suppose, but those of us who have a news reader set to block cross- posts would not see such posts at all then! -- David in Normandy |
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On 27 Jan, 19:12, David in Normandy wrote:
Another issue would be "grey areas". For example fruit trees, gardening tools, propagators, seeds and seedlings, pests and diseases. *Should they post to URG or to the allotment group? They could always cross-post I suppose, but those of us who have a news reader set to block cross- posts would not see such posts at all then! I thought that the new forum would be 'crossposted' or linked somehow with urg. Will it? I thought that would be idea. But perhaps as you said people will have to change their news readers rule. It is exciting though, really I think it is. Perhaps I'm thinking of an ideal here - urg extending to encompass allotments in some ways. This needs a careful thought and I might, again ;o), got excited too quickly !! ps. just loved your post about the frosty, crisp and fresh morning you've had. I was heart broken as I do remember those mornings but haven't seen one in years ... beside a few occasion I was away from the North West. Thank you to remind me ... |
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On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:25:00 -0000, Bob Hobden wrote:
Don't like the idea, sorry. We can all use this Ng and learn from each other. Agreed 100% uk.rec.gardening is no longer a busy newsgroup. Why complicate things by making it even less busy by setting up another group ? There are already quite a few dead UK newsgroups - lets not add another two :-( I grow vegetables in my *garden* - which ng should I post to if the new ng is created ? I *don't* crosspost and *don't* read crossposts. -- Regards, Hugh Jampton |
RFD: uk.rec.gardening.allotments
Gary Poston wrote:
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD) unmoderated group uk.rec.gardening.allotments This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup, uk.rec.gardening.allotments For anyone who didn't see the thread in uk.net.news.config, this isn't a proper RFD because it wasn't posted via Control. Gary's been told how to to fix that. uk.rec.gardening.allotments is an unmoderated newsgroup which will serve as a forum for discussing the tradition of Allotment gardening. Terrible idea. No reason to split allotment discussion from the rest of the traffic in uk.rec.gardening. Allotments are a UK institution (and worldwide) and we should have a place for it. I agree, but uk.rec.gardening is that place. Good advice about growing veg is available here already. Discussion of allotments goes on here already. Beans don't know whether they're in a garden on on an allotment. Peter |
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wrote:
I could also point out examples where I've been frustrated to see answers given to a query regarding growing a veg, on this occasion a 'tip' on an allotment because seemingly nobody had a clear answer - out of 8 posts 2 had valued comments, and those were from allotmenteers whilst others simply said that they had no experience but 'they had heard somewhere' ... and one post might have been misleading because the poster tentatively tried to give an answer without any knowledge. Such is Ueenet. People have to make their own minds up about what advice is worth listening to; you don't have to read a group very long to get a pretty good idea. I don't recognise the thread you're talking about, but IMHO the level of advice available in here is pretty good. A group for allotmenteers would be an absolut gem as it will avoid confusion, will be straight from experience gardeners with a single aim, growing food on allotments. Where will all these posters come from? If they're in urg already, how come they apparently aren't giving out better advice right now? If they're allotmenteers and likely to use Usenet, how come they're not posting in urg already? Peter |
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wrote:
On 27 Jan, 19:12, David in Normandy wrote: Should they post to URG or to the allotment group? They could always cross-post I suppose, but those of us who have a news reader set to block cross- posts would not see such posts at all then! I thought that the new forum would be 'crossposted' or linked somehow with urg. Will it? No. People could choose whether or not to crosspost. It wouldn't happen automatically. Perhaps I'm thinking of an ideal here - urg extending to encompass allotments in some ways. Doesn't it already? Peter |
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"Hugh Jampton" wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:25:00 -0000, Bob Hobden wrote: Don't like the idea, sorry. We can all use this Ng and learn from each other. Agreed 100% uk.rec.gardening is no longer a busy newsgroup. Why complicate things by making it even less busy by setting up another group ? There are already quite a few dead UK newsgroups - lets not add another two :-( URG is not the busiest NG right now, because it's seasonal. I haven't checked out statistics, but I think they would show an increase over the last week or two. And the pace always picks up as the growing season commences and the newbies start wondering which end of the spade to use. Football NGs are very busy right now, but F1 NGs are not, all for the same reason. Having said that, I supported the setting up of the allotments group a couple of years ago, and I said then that "if the noes have it, I shan't whine". They did, and I haven't. With the benefit of the intervening time, this time round I shall be one of the noes. Steve |
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