I am thinking of breeding a tree for improvement. It is a
catkin-bearer. That creates both opportunities and problems.

Can anybody put me in touch with a breeder who could help me with
breeding methods, how to produce mutations, etc, etc.

I would be most grateful

Michael Bell

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says...
I am thinking of breeding a tree for improvement. It is a
catkin-bearer. That creates both opportunities and problems.

Can anybody put me in touch with a breeder who could help me with
breeding methods, how to produce mutations, etc, etc.

I would be most grateful

Michael Bell


I think a bit of reading would be better, most breeders try and earn
money at it so would be interested in your paying them to do it but not
in telling you how to cut them out of the loop!
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

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Charlie Pridham wrote:

In article ,
says...
I am thinking of breeding a tree for improvement. It is a
catkin-bearer. That creates both opportunities and problems.

Can anybody put me in touch with a breeder who could help me with
breeding methods, how to produce mutations, etc, etc.

I would be most grateful

Michael Bell


I think a bit of reading would be better, most breeders try and earn
money at it so would be interested in your paying them to do it but not
in telling you how to cut them out of the loop!

Ah, but I can be pretty sure nobody else is thinking of breeding
Alders. But yes, I do plan to read books. But I can't find any. I
don't know what key words would bring out books of interest on Google.
Can you suggest?

Michael Bell


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In message
Charlie Pridham wrote:

In article ,
says...
I am thinking of breeding a tree for improvement. It is a
catkin-bearer. That creates both opportunities and problems.

Can anybody put me in touch with a breeder who could help me with
breeding methods, how to produce mutations, etc, etc.

I would be most grateful

Michael Bell


I think a bit of reading would be better, most breeders try and earn
money at it so would be interested in your paying them to do it but not
in telling you how to cut them out of the loop!

Ah, but I can be pretty sure nobody else is thinking of breeding
Alders. But yes, I do plan to read books. But I can't find any. I
don't know what key words would bring out books of interest on Google.
Can you suggest?

Michael Bell


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I fed 'Plant Breeders Alders' into Google and came up with quite a few
articles.

Like :- Results 1 - 10 of about 30,400 for Plant Breeders Alders. (0.29
seconds)

But we are all aware that as you go down the list, it drifts like an on
topic subject on here to something way out of tune :-))

Kind regards

Mike


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"'Mike'" writes:
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| I fed 'Plant Breeders Alders' into Google and came up with quite a few
| articles.
|
| Like :- Results 1 - 10 of about 30,400 for Plant Breeders Alders. (0.29
| seconds)
|
| But we are all aware that as you go down the list, it drifts like an on
| topic subject on here to something way out of tune :-))

You clearly didn't look at the first 10 in detail, either :-)

Only one referred to any actual alder breeding, and only a few even
mentioned it in a throwaway remark! Such as "Little work has been
done on alder genetics and breeding."


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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In article ,
"'Mike'" writes:
|
| I fed 'Plant Breeders Alders' into Google and came up with quite a few
| articles.
|
| Like :- Results 1 - 10 of about 30,400 for Plant Breeders Alders. (0.29
| seconds)
|
| But we are all aware that as you go down the list, it drifts like an on
| topic subject on here to something way out of tune :-))

You clearly didn't look at the first 10 in detail, either :-)

I didn't look into ANY of them :-))


Only one referred to any actual alder breeding, and only a few even
mentioned it in a throwaway remark! Such as "Little work has been
done on alder genetics and breeding."


But at least the poster knows what has NOT been done doesn't he ? He also
knows what a Google with MY heading comes up with. Where is YOUR suggestion
for a heading? :-))

This newsgroup prides itself on being helpful. I tried to help :-))

Kind regards

Mike
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"Michael Bell" wrote:

In message
Charlie Pridham wrote:

In article ,
says...
I am thinking of breeding a tree for improvement. It is a
catkin-bearer. That creates both opportunities and problems.

Can anybody put me in touch with a breeder who could help me with
breeding methods, how to produce mutations, etc, etc.

I would be most grateful

Michael Bell


I think a bit of reading would be better, most breeders try and earn
money at it so would be interested in your paying them to do it but not
in telling you how to cut them out of the loop!

Ah, but I can be pretty sure nobody else is thinking of breeding
Alders. But yes, I do plan to read books. But I can't find any. I
don't know what key words would bring out books of interest on Google.
Can you suggest?

Michael Bell


Before you go to the trouble and expense, it might be an idea to talk to an
agent to see if there's likely to be any interest in what you're proposing.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
(remove weeds from address)
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In message , Michael
Bell writes
Ah, but I can be pretty sure nobody else is thinking of breeding
Alders.

It looks as if you were overconfident. See

Hendrickson et al, Effects of Frankia on field performance of Alnus
clones and seedlings, Plant and Soil 150(2): 295-302 (1993)
(http://www.springerlink.com/content/m5431615516727n8/),

though it is 15 years old (and behind a paywall).
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In message , Michael
Bell writes
In message
Charlie Pridham wrote:

In article ,
says...
I am thinking of breeding a tree for improvement. It is a
catkin-bearer. That creates both opportunities and problems.

Can anybody put me in touch with a breeder who could help me with
breeding methods, how to produce mutations, etc, etc.

I would be most grateful

Michael Bell


I think a bit of reading would be better, most breeders try and earn
money at it so would be interested in your paying them to do it but not
in telling you how to cut them out of the loop!

Ah, but I can be pretty sure nobody else is thinking of breeding
Alders. But yes, I do plan to read books. But I can't find any. I
don't know what key words would bring out books of interest on Google.
Can you suggest?

Michael Bell

It would help if you were more precise in your statement of your
objectives. Are you wanting to select desirable characteristics from a
particular species? Are you wanting to hybridise different species? What
characteristics are you interested in?

It appears it has been suggested, in a message which didn't reach me,
that you google for Plant Breeders Alder. Probably breeding would do
better than breeders, but restricting a search to Alder is probably
unwise.

Using the botanical names (in this case Alnus) is probably more reliable
in finding stuff in the scientific and sylvicultural literature. As
Alnus is not a genus that has had much work done on it you might find
useful information by looking at the literature on other amentiferous
plants such as willow (Salix) and poplar (Populus), both of which are
bred for timber, coppice products and biomass, and hazel (Corylus),
which is the nearest relative to Alnus that I think is likely to have
had much work done on it. (I think that Betula is the closest genus to
Alnus, but it doesn't have much commercial significance.)

There's a recent paper in the Journal of Forest Science
(http://journals.uzpi.cz:8050/uniqueFiles/00040.pdf) on the
hybridisation of Alnus glutinosa and Alnus incana. This refers to other
papers. (Papers from Watsonia are being put online, but the Alnus one
doesn't seem to be there yet; the online run of Rhodora terminates two
years too early.)
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley writes:
|
| Using the botanical names (in this case Alnus) is probably more reliable
| in finding stuff in the scientific and sylvicultural literature. ...

Definitely. And even the amateur gardening literature!

| (I think that Betula is the closest genus to
| Alnus, but it doesn't have much commercial significance.)

Really? I think that you are wrong there. Where you are right, is
that there is very little commercial interest in breeding it for
particular characteristics - the wild forms do perfectly well. For
example, it accounts for a ridiculous proportion of municipal and
large development tree plantings. It is also quite an important
timber plant in Scandinavia and probably elsewhere - birch ply is
a fairly important commodity, for example.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.