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In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg You do ask the easy ones, don't you? :-) The leaves and growth habit looked horribly familiar (Hypericum, Vinca etc.), but I am 90% certain that I have never seen that in flower and never taken notice of it out of flower .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 7/2/08 20:23, in article , "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote: http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg A Stachyurus? -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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In article , Sacha writes: | On 7/2/08 20:23, in article , "Stewart Robert | Hinsley" wrote: | | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg | | A Stachyurus? If so, it's not S. praecox. It doesn't look right to me. Not that I am a Stachyurus expert. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 7/2/08 21:25, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 7/2/08 20:23, in article , "Stewart Robert | Hinsley" wrote: | | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg | | A Stachyurus? If so, it's not S. praecox. It doesn't look right to me. Not that I am a Stachyurus expert. The other thing that occurs to me is a Leucothoe, perhaps. It's quite familiar but I can't think why! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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In article , Sacha writes: | | The other thing that occurs to me is a Leucothoe, perhaps. It's quite | familiar but I can't think why! Wikipedia, that well-known source of misinformation, indicates that Leucothoe has alternate leaves. I had taken the first picture to indicate opposite ones (hence Hypericum and Vinca) - have I misread it, and they are in fact alternate? Not that I can identify it in either case! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In message , Nick Maclaren
writes In article , Sacha writes: | On 7/2/08 20:23, in article , "Stewart Robert | Hinsley" wrote: | | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg | | A Stachyurus? If so, it's not S. praecox. It doesn't look right to me. Not that I am a Stachyurus expert. Regards, Nick Maclaren. I hadn't thought of Stachyurus, but it's a reasonable suggestion. However the photographs were taken in early May, and the flowers are, if I interpret the photographs correctly, still in bud (a photograph a couple of weeks later would have helped). Hillier says that only two species are hardy in the UK - S. chinensis and S. praecox - and it's neither of these. (It flowers too late, and when in leaf, and it's too low growing.) I've taken a look at the Stachyuraceae treatment in the Flora of China on Harvard's web site - apart from habit and height there's very little (short of taking a close look that possible from the photographs) to distinguish the plant from Stachyurus. However the leaves of Stachyurus are finely serrate (I think that the plant has entire margins), and Stachyurus flowers are tetramerous (it's hard to tell, but I think that plant is pentamerous). Similar objections would hold to an identification as Corylopsis. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 7/2/08 20:23, in article , "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote: http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg A Stachyurus? Not so sure about that - I think they flower whist not in leaf. |
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In message , Sacha
writes On 7/2/08 21:25, in article , "Nick Maclaren" wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 7/2/08 20:23, in article , |"Stewart Robert | Hinsley" wrote: | | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg | | A Stachyurus? If so, it's not S. praecox. It doesn't look right to me. Not that I am a Stachyurus expert. The other thing that occurs to me is a Leucothoe, perhaps. It's quite familiar but I can't think why! I thought for a few minutes that you had it there (partly because I had a vague idea that it might be related to Gaultheria), but the bracts at the base of each pedicel eliminate Leucothoe. Also, the petals don't look consistent with the urn shaped flowers of those (and several other) ericaceous genera - so that would seem to eliminate Gaultheria as well. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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In message , Nick Maclaren
writes In article , Sacha writes: | | The other thing that occurs to me is a Leucothoe, perhaps. It's quite | familiar but I can't think why! Wikipedia, that well-known source of misinformation, indicates that Leucothoe has alternate leaves. I had taken the first picture to indicate opposite ones (hence Hypericum and Vinca) - have I misread it, and they are in fact alternate? The leaves are alternate. This is particularly clear if you look at the second photograph, where the inflorescence can be seen to be in the axil of a solitary leaf. Not that I can identify it in either case! Regards, Nick Maclaren. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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In message , Russel Sprout
writes "Sacha" wrote in message .uk... On 7/2/08 20:23, in article , "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote: http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg A Stachyurus? Not so sure about that - I think they flower whist not in leaf. The commonly grown ones do, but the rarer (and fide Hillier not hardy) species include some which are evergreen, and which flower later in the spring. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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In message , Sacha
writes On 7/2/08 22:25, in article lid, "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote: In message , Russel Sprout writes "Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 7/2/08 20:23, in article , "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote: http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg A Stachyurus? Not so sure about that - I think they flower whist not in leaf. The commonly grown ones do, but the rarer (and fide Hillier not hardy) species include some which are evergreen, and which flower later in the spring. Nick's right about the leaves, obviously. I was thinking more of the flowers, I must admit. Where is it growing - does that give any clue? In a National Trust garden. It's a Chinese-themed area, but I'm not confident that that means that all the plants are Chinese - I'm pretty sure that Larix decidua 'Pendula' isn't. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Try Leucothoe axillaris, because that's what it is. Stachyurus is a
genus of deciduous shrubs/small trees, which discounts it in the first place. Give the plant another few weeks for the flowers to develop fully because the photograph portrays one that has a little way to go yet. As the inflorescence develops, the basal bracts dehisce and are not normally present by the time the flowers have reached maturity. |
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, Dave Poole writes Try Leucothoe axillaris, because that's what it is. Stachyurus is a genus of deciduous shrubs/small trees, which discounts it in the first place. Give the plant another few weeks for the flowers to develop fully because the photograph portrays one that has a little way to go yet. As the inflorescence develops, the basal bracts dehisce and are not normally present by the time the flowers have reached maturity. Thanks. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On 8/2/08 07:58, in article
, "Dave Poole" wrote: Try Leucothoe axillaris, because that's what it is. Stachyurus is a genus of deciduous shrubs/small trees, which discounts it in the first place. Give the plant another few weeks for the flowers to develop fully because the photograph portrays one that has a little way to go yet. As the inflorescence develops, the basal bracts dehisce and are not normally present by the time the flowers have reached maturity. Well, at least I know that I haven't lost my mind and that I did recognise it, even if I couldn't complete the circle with any certainty! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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In article , Anne Jackson writes: | | The leaves and growth habit looked horribly familiar (Hypericum, | Vinca etc.), but I am 90% certain that I have never seen that in | flower and never taken notice of it out of flower .... | | Not Vinca. They have single, bright blue flowers, not clusters. And other colours, but yes. And Hypericum flowers are completely different, too. It was the leaf shape and habit I was referring to, but I misread the picture anyway. Hypericum and Vinca have opposite leaves; this has alternate ones. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 8 Feb, 10:01, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote: In message , Dave Poole writes Try Leucothoe axillaris, because that's what it is. *Stachyurus is a genus of deciduous shrubs/small trees, which discounts it in the first place. *Give the plant another few weeks for the flowers to develop fully because the photograph portrays one that has a little way to go yet. *As the inflorescence develops, the basal bracts dehisce and are not normally present by the time the flowers have reached maturity. Thanks. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley I would have said Leucothoe fontanesiana , it seems a dead ringer for the 3 I have growing here. David Hill Abacus Nurseries |
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In message , Nick Maclaren
writes In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley writes: | | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot19.jpg | http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/Dicot20.jpg You do ask the easy ones, don't you? :-) They are easy - if you know the plant - as the Davids might tell you. In hindsight, if I had had the confidence to treat it as ericaceous and vaccinioid I might have found it myself, except that I might well have been misled by the caducous bracts. The leaves and growth habit looked horribly familiar (Hypericum, Vinca etc.), but I am 90% certain that I have never seen that in flower and never taken notice of it out of flower .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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, Dave Hill writes On 8 Feb, 10:01, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , Dave Poole writes Try Leucothoe axillaris, because that's what it is. *Stachyurus is a genus of deciduous shrubs/small trees, which discounts it in the first place. *Give the plant another few weeks for the flowers to develop fully because the photograph portrays one that has a little way to go yet. *As the inflorescence develops, the basal bracts dehisce and are not normally present by the time the flowers have reached maturity. Thanks. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley I would have said Leucothoe fontanesiana , it seems a dead ringer for the 3 I have growing here. David Hill Abacus Nurseries I've gone and checked Weakley's "Flora of the Carolinas, Virginia, Georgia, and surrounding areas". It only has two species of Leucothoe, but they happen to be L. axillaris and L. fontanesiana. According to this L. axillaris has acute or shortly acuminate leaf apices, and ovate sepals with rounded or obtuse apices, and L. fontanesiana long acuminate leaf apices and ovate-lanceolate sepals with acute or sub-acute apices; the other distinguishing characters are raceme and petiole lengths, which can't be evaluated from the photographs, especially with immature racemes. Unfortunately, even with these hints I can't tell which it is - from looking at photographs via Google I'd thought L. axillaris had the closer jizz. It looks as if I may have to take a closer look at the plants later this year, if I remember what I should be looking for. [I've found a 1977 paper saying that L. walteri is the correct name for L. fontanesiana, but the latter still seems to have the lead in usage.] I found a couple of unfiled photographs from the same garden, taken a little later in the year. http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/May090.jpg http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Images/May091.jpg However I think that they're from a different location in the garden, and appear not to be the same plant - the bracts are smaller, and appear to be persistent. They're listed in my notebook as "Gaultheria?" -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On Feb 8, 2:25 pm, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote: I've gone and checked Weakley's "Flora of the Carolinas, Virginia, Georgia, and surrounding areas". It only has two species of Leucothoe, but they happen to be L. axillaris and L. fontanesiana. .... Unfortunately, even with these hints I can't tell which it is - from looking at photographs via Google I'd thought L. axillaris had the closer This is where trying to identify from books and/or possibly erroneous information form the web causes a gamut of confusion. Descriptions remain just that and you have to see and know the plant first hand to make a judgement. Fine tuning is aided by references, but wholesale identifications are an entirely different proposition. In this case, the plant is quite clearly a Leucothoe - absolutely no doubt about that without any minutiae being pored over. I refer back to the musings about it being Stachyurus. The only possible similarity could have been that both plants carry drooping racemes of white flowers. After that there is no similarity whatsoever and they cannot be confused. L. fontanesiana has been mentioned, but that is an altogether more vigorous and coarser plant with broader elliptic leaves more widely arranged upon the stem. It is less dense in its growth, but an entirely more substantial sub-shrub. I hesitate to use my preferred description of Leucothoes as being herbaceous perennials, but they are truly a rhizomatous perennials with stems arising from below ground, which mature, flower and eventually die away. L. fontanesiana, but the latter still seems to have the lead in usage. I think you will find that fontanesiana is the accepted correct name and takes precedence over walteri. I found a couple of unfiled photographs from the same garden, taken a little later in the year. http://www.stewart.hinsley.me.uk/Ima...ges/May091.jpg However I think that they're from a different location in the garden, and appear not to be the same plant - the bracts are smaller, and appear to be persistent. They're listed in my notebook as "Gaultheria?" Despite Leucothoe and Gaultheria being related (Gaultheria is far more closely related to and inter-breedable with Pernettya), the two genera are instantly distinguishable from each other and are unlikely to be confused by anyone who has grown them. |
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