On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon.
Many thanks Sacha.

Judith

Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery
Davis" wrote:

snip
I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them
to do their own thing.

Yes, I've always admired the standards, Sacha. Perhaps one day I'll put
one in.
But I'll stick with the ones on the walls, anyway. I have a terrible
time taking out
an established plant, and the wisterias put on a beautiful display!

-E

On Mar 25, 9:55 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Judith in France wrote:

Hi Judith,

Doing just fine, thanks, and you? We survived (or so it seems) the worst of
the weather. I had just bunged 30 trees into the ground, none got blown
over!

What type of trees?

Now enjoying one of the finer things in Normandy, a glass of 30 year
Calvados
before bed...

I know another man who likes Calvados!

I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

A word of advice Emery, no drinking Calvados before hacking the
Wisteria!! Keep well.

Judith

cheers,

-E

On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery

Davis" wrote:

snip



I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them
to do their own thing.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy.

Judith

Judith in France wrote:
On Mar 25, 9:55 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Judith in France wrote:

Hi Judith,

Doing just fine, thanks, and you? We survived (or so it seems) the worst of
the weather. I had just bunged 30 trees into the ground, none got blown
over!

What type of trees?

Well, I'll bet you could guess some of them!

22 maples (mostly species), 3 beeches, 2 dogwoods, a Pocket Handkerchief
tree,
a weeping crab apple, a Tupelo, a willow, a rowan and a szechuan poplar.

Now enjoying one of the finer things in Normandy, a glass of 30 year
Calvados
before bed...

I know another man who likes Calvados!
I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

A word of advice Emery, no drinking Calvados before hacking the
Wisteria!! Keep well.

No, I am not one of those who takes a calvados with the morning coffee!
Strictly after dinner for me, and even then not that frequently.

cheers,

-E

On 26/3/08 10:54, in article
, "Judith
in France" wrote:

On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery

Davis" wrote:

snip



I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them
to do their own thing.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy.

Judith

It's really effective and unusual, so it's a bit of an eye catcher. They
all look pretty grown this way but because they're drooping towards the
ground, don't grow a white one anywhere the mud will splash up onto it!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4-
,
says...
On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon.
Many thanks Sacha.

Although I agree with Sach on seedlings I find cuttings flower from day
one, indeed I have just been removing flowers from this years rooted
cuttings. If you dont you end up with flowers 3 x the size of the plant
dragging on the ground (and its a waste of energy) but nearly all
wisteria is grafted and this way you do get a much bigger plant as the
cuttings take longer to get going, but size for size I have never seen a
difference.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

On 26/3/08 10:52, in article , "Emery
Davis" wrote:

Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery
Davis" wrote:

snip
I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them
to do their own thing.

Yes, I've always admired the standards, Sacha. Perhaps one day I'll put
one in.
But I'll stick with the ones on the walls, anyway. I have a terrible
time taking out
an established plant, and the wisterias put on a beautiful display!

-E

Oh yes, I wasn't suggesting getting rid of the one you've got. They are a
bit of a pain if you let them get into guttering, tiles etc. but a good one
is a thing of great beauty. The Garden House has one growing along the hand
rails of a bridge and it looks really wonderful.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 26/3/08 11:51, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4-
,
says...
On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Gulp!!! Guess who will be going to visit the nearest nursery soon.
Many thanks Sacha.

Although I agree with Sach on seedlings I find cuttings flower from day
one, indeed I have just been removing flowers from this years rooted
cuttings. If you dont you end up with flowers 3 x the size of the plant
dragging on the ground (and its a waste of energy) but nearly all
wisteria is grafted and this way you do get a much bigger plant as the
cuttings take longer to get going, but size for size I have never seen a
difference.

You and your Green Thumb! ;-) Most people seem to complain their wisteria
hasn't flowered - ever. It turns out to be a non-grafted one.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

In article ,
says...
On 26/3/08 11:51, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:

In article da993a0a-a8e8-4364-a8b4-
,
says...
On Mar 25, 10:45 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 22:17, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 25, 8:32 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Broadback wrote:
Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
and I would like a little information.
The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
Does this rule applied in France?

No public buses around here!

But the school bus trips certainly don't follow this rule. AFAIK the
only rule is
"Tous les deux heures la pause d'impose." Drivers are required to take
a 15 minute
break for every 2 hours of driving. Not a bad idea IMHO!

-E

Hi Emery, how are you? It's a mild night in the Auvergne, tomorrow I
will sow my Wisteria seeds, I'm wondering whether I should soak them
first as they are quite large and very hard!!!!

Judith

Have to ask why you're sowing seeds, Judith? AIUI, Wisteria can take around
18 years to flower if grown this way and can be extremely variable as to
quality. They can take about 8 years to flower if grown from cuttings. The
grafted ones are much more reliable because you can and should, see them in
flower before buying and of course, they're ready to flower and grow
immediately.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with
Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis
so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a
seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs
but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden.
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea

On Mar 26, 10:38*am, Charlie Pridham
wrote:
In article ,
says...





In article ,
Charlie Pridham writes:
| In article ,
| says...
| Broadback says...
| Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post here
| and I would like a little information.
| The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
| over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
| reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
| that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
| shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a result a
| number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
| Does this rule applied in France?
|
| First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for
| 1st of April to me :-)
|
| No its true and causing problems in Cornwall too, people are having to
| buy three separate tickets for one jurney and get off the bus, they then
| get straight back on with the same driver and continue - daft

But damn-all to do with the EU ....

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Well perhaps not, though I do think they could be a lot clearer what they
intend measures to do and be much clearer about what is not meant or
intended. But in this case I smell a bus company rat, they seem to have
used a minor regulation to get three fares instead on one out of people!

Most of all, they have found a way around having to incur the expense
of providing the legally required safety measures (i.e. fitting the
tachograph and paying their drivers while on break)... These measures
were aimed at improving safety for the public using the bus services.
Finding a loophole to avoid having to improve safety for their
customers reflects far worse on the bus companies (British or
otherwise) than it does on the law makers, be they the Brussels
originators, or the national translators of the EU law into national
legal measures.

Cat(h)

On 26/3/08 13:27, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote:
snip

That is indeed a problem, people chasing a bargin! Much the same with
Clematis armandii, named ones are noticably dearer than ordinary clematis
so when people see a cheap one they think its abargin but no its a
seedling, many of which are indiffent flowerers. I may have green thumbs
but that clematis I can not do and we have a lovely one in the garden.

Ray is delighted that he's had some real success with C. rehederiana this
year. He forgot to do any last year and it seems to be hard to track down
in any numbers. Do you find this tricky to propagate Charlie, because it
seems to have a reputation for it? I really love it, especially as it's so
different and flowers late with a sweet and gentle scent.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On 26/3/08 13:48, in article
, "Cat(h)"
wrote:

On Mar 26, 10:38*am, Charlie Pridham
wrote:
In article ,
says...





In article ,
Charlie Pridham writes:
| In article ,
| says...
| Broadback says...
| Sorry about the OT posting, but I know a few French residents post
here
| and I would like a little information.
| The EU have brought in another stupid regulation that buses traveling
| over 30 miles must stop at 30 miles, remove all passengers then can
| reload and resume their journey. One very negative effect of this is
| that in Wales hitherto community buses that travel over 30 miles have
| shortened their journeys by using main roads and bypasses, as a
result a
| number of small communities no longer have a bus service.
| Does this rule applied in France?
|
| First I've heard about it. Sounds more like a posting for
| 1st of April to me :-)
|
| No its true and causing problems in Cornwall too, people are having to
| buy three separate tickets for one jurney and get off the bus, they then
| get straight back on with the same driver and continue - daft

But damn-all to do with the EU ....

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Well perhaps not, though I do think they could be a lot clearer what they
intend measures to do and be much clearer about what is not meant or
intended. But in this case I smell a bus company rat, they seem to have
used a minor regulation to get three fares instead on one out of people!

Most of all, they have found a way around having to incur the expense
of providing the legally required safety measures (i.e. fitting the
tachograph and paying their drivers while on break)... These measures
were aimed at improving safety for the public using the bus services.
Finding a loophole to avoid having to improve safety for their
customers reflects far worse on the bus companies (British or
otherwise) than it does on the law makers, be they the Brussels
originators, or the national translators of the EU law into national
legal measures.

Cat(h)


An extract from today's Western Morning News:
"Bus passengers on some rural routes are being forced off their vehicles
part way through their journey because of EU rules.

Legislation forbids bus drivers from travelling for more than 30 miles in
one go.

Passengers on some routes must get on and off their bus, sometimes twice, to
prevent bus operators from prosecution.

Operators in Cornwall have condemned the new rule brought in last April as
"idiotic" and have called for Whitehall to step in.

Western Greyhound, based in Newquay, has been forced to split its Newquay to
Plymouth service into three sections.

Although one driver is used throughout the trip, passengers have to buy
three tickets and break their journey twice."
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

On Mar 26, 11:49 am, Sacha wrote:
On 26/3/08 10:54, in article
, "Judith



in France" wrote:
On Mar 26, 9:17 am, Sacha wrote:
On 25/3/08 21:55, in article , "Emery

Davis" wrote:

snip

I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

cheers,

-E

You could try growing one as a standard, Emery. They look really pretty
swooping down onto the lawn as they mature. Some people train them over a
stake with three or four 'arms' to it, others just stake them and leave them
to do their own thing.
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

I like the standard idea Sacha and it's one I shall copy.

Judith

It's really effective and unusual, so it's a bit of an eye catcher. They
all look pretty grown this way but because they're drooping towards the
ground, don't grow a white one anywhere the mud will splash up onto it!
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our
children.'

Any tips Sacha on how high/size of suppost etc?

Judith

On Mar 26, 11:06 am, Emery Davis wrote:
Judith in France wrote:
On Mar 25, 9:55 pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Judith in France wrote:

Hi Judith,

Doing just fine, thanks, and you? We survived (or so it seems) the worst of
the weather. I had just bunged 30 trees into the ground, none got blown
over!

What type of trees?

Well, I'll bet you could guess some of them!

22 maples (mostly species), 3 beeches, 2 dogwoods, a Pocket Handkerchief
tree,
a weeping crab apple, a Tupelo, a willow, a rowan and a szechuan poplar.



Now enjoying one of the finer things in Normandy, a glass of 30 year
Calvados
before bed...

I know another man who likes Calvados!
I'm with Sacha on the Wisteria seeds. Plus, not a very expensive plant
grafted.
I have 3 that I hack at a few times a year. I really like the flowers,
but lots of
time spent on the ladder. I actually fell off while cutting one back a
few years ago,
but luckily landed well and suffered nothing worse than some temporary
spine
compression. Now I'm a little more careful!

A word of advice Emery, no drinking Calvados before hacking the
Wisteria!! Keep well.

No, I am not one of those who takes a calvados with the morning coffee!
Strictly after dinner for me, and even then not that frequently.

cheers,

-E

Like the trees Emery, have you got any pics of your garden?

I won't be seeing you in the Tabac/Bar then before 8a.m.with a little
poodle under one arm, a paper under the other and a glass of
Calvados? :-)

Judith