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Build your own waterfall?
You have all been most helpful!
I've been thinking about this on my lunchtime stroll to the shops. I think I will build a box the rough height and width I want out of bricks. This allows me to fill the box with logs. A space to be used by critters at some point I hope. I can then shape around this with concrete. Once the rough shape is done, I can put down some of the underlay, some thick liner (I found 1mm rubber one) and then another layer of underlay, then finally more concrete to hold the rocks in place. Enough [real] rocks and pebbles and you will not see the main structure. What about concrete cracking? Would the fact that the liner is between two sheets of underlay resist tearing? Small cracks I would imagine would survive. Greater than 1mm I have a bigger problem. This will be the waterfall as well as the cascading stream down to pond 1. I can then have little stream to pond 2. Finally, I like the idea of the 3rd pond. Very neat. It'll have to be = pipe volume + Stream volume + Waterfall volume. Thanks for the links and info. Plenty reading for me to do In my mind's eye, I can see this clearly. Now to implement this! Anyone got any spare time? I have many spare beers (Well, not spare but willing to share) and lots of food. I'll provide everything, you provide help / expertise Cheers, Crispin |
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On 31 Mar, 09:55, "PK" wrote:
"sm_jamieson" wrote in message ... To make it look good you need real rocks (from a local quarry or landscape gardening place. Build a big waterproof tray Build a set of recessed steps into the bank, line with butyl, sit big rocks on the steps, arrange small rocks and scree to hide the liner. some numbers on water flow hehttp://www.californiawaterscapes.com...fall-build.htm pk We used a cheap liner (PVC) and regretted it ever since. Butyl stretches so it is less likely to rupture when pulled tight over a stone. Simon. |
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On Mar 31, 1:48 pm, sm_jamieson wrote:
On 31 Mar, 09:55, "PK" wrote: "sm_jamieson" wrote in message ... To make it look good you need real rocks (from a local quarry or landscape gardening place. Build a big waterproof tray Build a set of recessed steps into the bank, line with butyl, sit big rocks on the steps, arrange small rocks and scree to hide the liner. some numbers on water flow hehttp://www.californiawaterscapes.com...fall-build.htm pk We used a cheap liner (PVC) and regretted it ever since. Butyl stretches so it is less likely to rupture when pulled tight over a stone. Simon. Thanks Simon - will remember that. |
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On Mar 31, 1:36 pm, wrote:
You have all been most helpful! I've been thinking about this on my lunchtime stroll to the shops. I think I will build a box the rough height and width I want out of bricks. Sounds good This allows me to fill the box with logs. A space to be used by critters at some point I hope. Whoa, logs will rot out , natural log pile somewhere mebbe but not supporting a waterfall. I can then shape around this with concrete. Dont want no stinking concrete, compacted soil and bricks are just fine. Once the rough shape is done, I can put down some of the underlay, some thick liner (I found 1mm rubber one) and then another layer of underlay, Geotextile or landscape fabric is what your after,stops root invasion into the liner, not frost protection fleece which is a lot thinner, under the liner. Use sand as well to form shapes and iron out creases. Liner is matter of budget, polythene wont last more than a season dont bother. PVC is pretty good on the price/performance ratio but isnt very stretchy,creases rather than moulds, and isnt very patchable if it needs repair. Synthetic rubbers like Firestone is pretty good. Butyl rubber comes in various grades , some butyl rubbers dont have very much butyl in them, it stretches, is repairable and lasts for ever, it costs as you would imagine. One of many: http://www.pond-liners-pumps-filters.co.uk/ then finally more concrete to hold the rocks in place. Enough [real] rocks and pebbles and you will not see the main structure. Look at the pictures on Paul Dyer`s site , lots of flat rocks that will stack, not random shaped rocks that end up looking like a pit bing. Natural stone paving slabs break up nicely for things like this and the rustic edging stones. Again geotextile where you need it to stop rocks puncturing liner and just enough sandy mortar mix to hold the rocks in place , concrete is for motorway bridges. What about concrete cracking? Would the fact that the liner is between two sheets of underlay resist tearing? Small cracks I would imagine would survive. Greater than 1mm I have a bigger problem. Dont use concrete ;-) Underlay is always a good idea, geotextile not old carpet it rots. Make sure your liner is well supported in firm soil with a layer of sand and underlay and it wont tear unless you put a fork through it. Concrete ponds almost traditionally leak and are often coated in G4 to kill the porosity http://www.arghamvillage.co.uk/produ...tails/180.html Bit evil to use though as its moisture curing dont want to spray it. Easy solution don`t use cement for sealing ;-) This will be the waterfall as well as the cascading stream down to pond 1. I can then have little stream to pond 2. Finally, I like the idea of the 3rd pond. Very neat. It'll have to be = pipe volume + Stream volume + Waterfall volume. Remember to put plumbing and wiring in for lighting before you start mortaring things into place.... Adam Thanks for the links and info. Plenty reading for me to do In my mind's eye, I can see this clearly. Now to implement this! Anyone got any spare time? I have many spare beers (Well, not spare but willing to share) and lots of food. I'll provide everything, you provide help / expertise Cheers, Crispin |
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On 31 Mar, 13:59, wrote:
On Mar 31, 1:48 pm, sm_jamieson wrote: On 31 Mar, 09:55, "PK" wrote: "sm_jamieson" wrote in message ... To make it look good you need real rocks (from a local quarry or landscape gardening place. Build a big waterproof tray Build a set of recessed steps into the bank, line with butyl, sit big rocks on the steps, arrange small rocks and scree to hide the liner. some numbers on water flow hehttp://www.californiawaterscapes.com...fall-build.htm pk We used a cheap liner (PVC) and regretted it ever since. Butyl stretches so it is less likely to rupture when pulled tight over a stone. Simon. Thanks Simon - will remember that. Oh yes, and fix with a bicycle puncture repair kit ! Good luck, Simon. |
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Adam, Charlie - thanks.
I know the issues with cement / concrete / mortar. As water proof as a slice of toast. My last place had a homemade pond / waterfall which leaked like a sieve. I eventually left it alone / dry. This is why I want to get this one right. The logs mentioned are just for incests / to fill the space. Not load baring at all. Again, thanks for the tips. Now I'm getting excited about it..... One (one of many) questions that has popped into my head now is where pond 1 goes into stream. I saw special glue to bond PVC liners. I assume you can get the same stuff for the butyl rubber. Even a large overlap, capillary action would suck it dry. Think I'll go re-read everything tonight. Then, I'll write a book (Credit to you all! Cheers, Crispin |
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On Mar 31, 3:35 pm, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:36:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote: You have all been most helpful! I've been thinking about this on my lunchtime stroll to the shops. I think I will build a box the rough height and width I want out of bricks. This allows me to fill the box with logs. A space to be used by critters at some point I hope. I can then shape around this with concrete. Once the rough shape is done, I can put down some of the underlay, some thick liner (I found 1mm rubber one) and then another layer of underlay, then finally more concrete to hold the rocks in place. Enough [real] rocks and pebbles and you will not see the main structure. What about concrete cracking? Would the fact that the liner is between two sheets of underlay resist tearing? Small cracks I would imagine would survive. Greater than 1mm I have a bigger problem. Some build boat hulls using a matrix of chicken wire covered with waterproof cement. The result is very strong and completely waterproof. Chicken wire ferro cement -http://www.green-trust.org/2003/ferrocement/default.htm -- Martin Martin, What makes this waterproof? I'm kinda lost. I get the chicken wire idea. is the cement special? An additive maybe? Regards, Crispin |
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On 31 Mar, 17:10, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:47:02 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Mar 31, 3:35 pm, Martin wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:36:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote: You have all been most helpful! I've been thinking about this on my lunchtime stroll to the shops. I think I will build a box the rough height and width I want out of bricks. This allows me to fill the box with logs. A space to be used by critters at some point I hope. I can then shape around this with concrete. Once the rough shape is done, I can put down some of the underlay, some thick liner (I found 1mm rubber one) and then another layer of underlay, then finally more concrete to hold the rocks in place. Enough [real] rocks and pebbles and you will not see the main structure. What about concrete cracking? Would the fact that the liner is between two sheets of underlay resist tearing? Small cracks I would imagine would survive. Greater than 1mm I have a bigger problem. Some build boat hulls using a matrix of chicken wire covered with waterproof cement. The result is very strong and completely waterproof. Chicken wire ferro cement -http://www.green-trust.org/2003/ferrocement/default.htm -- Martin Martin, What makes this waterproof? I'm kinda lost. I get the chicken wire idea. is the cement special? An additive maybe? They seem to use Portland Cement. Ask at a builders supply place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocement -- Martin Try http://ferrocement.com Artificial rock used to be a major Victorian curiosity, nothing like a grotto for getting one up on the Jones`s on the next estate. Americans are givng it a new lease of life try searching on Faux Rock places like: http://www.rockandwater.com/ HTH Adam |
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On 2 Apr, 22:32, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 04:35:04 -0700 (PDT), Adam Aglionby wrote: On 31 Mar, 17:10, Martin wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:47:02 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Mar 31, 3:35 pm, Martin wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:36:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote: You have all been most helpful! I've been thinking about this on my lunchtime stroll to the shops. I think I will build a box the rough height and width I want out of bricks. This allows me to fill the box with logs. A space to be used by critters at some point I hope. I can then shape around this with concrete. Once the rough shape is done, I can put down some of the underlay, some thick liner (I found 1mm rubber one) and then another layer of underlay, then finally more concrete to hold the rocks in place. Enough [real] rocks and pebbles and you will not see the main structure. What about concrete cracking? Would the fact that the liner is between two sheets of underlay resist tearing? Small cracks I would imagine would survive. Greater than 1mm I have a bigger problem. Some build boat hulls using a matrix of chicken wire covered with waterproof cement. The result is very strong and completely waterproof. Chicken wire ferro cement -http://www.green-trust.org/2003/ferrocement/default.htm -- Martin Martin, What makes this waterproof? I'm kinda lost. I get the chicken wire idea. is the cement special? An additive maybe? They seem to use Portland Cement. Ask at a builders supply place. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrocement -- Martin Try http://ferrocement.com Artificial rock used to be a major Victorian curiosity, nothing like a grotto for getting one up on the Jones`s on the next estate. Schloss Linderhof has a complete underground grotto, complete with wood fired heated pool for local nymphs, made out of ferro cement. -- Martin Pulhamite was the stuff was trying to remember: http://www.pulham.org.uk http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/s...show/nav.18750 For the OP came across this basic instructable: http://www.artificialrock.ca/form.html Having watched prop builders turn unpromising blocks of poly into perfect replica sphinxes and things , the building part is a skill that you can learn, the abilty to turn it into what you can envision is a talent that you cannae. There was a touring replica of some French show caves built from polystyrene a few years ago. Adam |
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Martin schrieb:
Same period as Schloss Linderhof, built by Mad Max 1st of Bavaria for Wagner Mad Max II Could you, please, broaden my knowledge of Bavarian history? :-) Who was Mad Max I or II? Cheers Gotthelf |
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On 8 Apr, 10:42, G Wolmershäuser wrote:
Martin schrieb: Same period as Schloss Linderhof, built by Mad Max 1st of Bavaria for Wagner Mad Max II Could you, please, broaden my knowledge of Bavarian history? :-) Who was Mad Max I or II? Cheers Gotthelf Possibly better known for Schloss Neuschwanstein: http://www.neuschwanstein.de/english/index.htm His grottoe looks fantastic , if his family hadn`t bumped him off would have had a Versailles replica as well, somewhere near the original topic the waterworks at Versailles cost as much as the rest of the palace put together. Adam |
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Martin schrieb:
His name was Ludwig II. I don't know why I typed Max. Perhaps due to his father's name "Maximilian II. Joseph"? But I'm glad that I didn't have to revise my view of Bavarian history :-) Did you know that one of his relatives "Franz Bonaventura Adalbert Maria Prinz von Bayern" could possibly become King of England? :-) :-) Cheers Gotthelf |
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