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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure....
if anyone can help I'll post a pic? |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
In message , cupra
writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may me to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" -- Robert |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
In message , cupra
writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" -- Robert |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
robert wrote:
In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
In message , cupra
writes robert wrote: In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) I have difficulty identifying little white crucifers, but I think that I can identify Common Scurvygrass (as seen at the Mull of Galloway and at Rockcliffe on Rough Firth). Try posting a pic. What are the other plants? BTW, Danish Scurvygrass is common on roadside around here. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley http://www.malvaceae.info http://lavateraguy.blogspot.com |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , cupra writes robert wrote: In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) I have difficulty identifying little white crucifers, but I think that I can identify Common Scurvygrass (as seen at the Mull of Galloway and at Rockcliffe on Rough Firth). Try posting a pic. What are the other plants? BTW, Danish Scurvygrass is common on roadside around here. Thanks Stewart (you ID'd my last post BTW!) - I'll have to dig out my Wildlife/Flowers book to see what the others were.... in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...os/2433993389/ (I have some wider angles that I haven't uploaded if you need more leaf detail) |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
On Apr 22, 9:56*pm, " cupra" wrote:
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes robert wrote: In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg*or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) I have difficulty identifying little white crucifers, but I think that I can identify Common Scurvygrass (as seen at the Mull of Galloway and at Rockcliffe on Rough Firth). Try posting a pic. What are the other plants? BTW, Danish Scurvygrass is common on roadside around here. Thanks Stewart (you ID'd my last post BTW!) - I'll have to dig out my Wildlife/Flowers book to see what the others were.... in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...os/2433993389/ (I have some wider angles that I haven't uploaded if you need more leaf detail)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Looks like it. They have fleshy heart shaped leaves; the whole plant is usually fairly flat against the ground and usually within sight of the sea. |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
Des Higgins wrote:
On Apr 22, 9:56 pm, " cupra" wrote: Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes robert wrote: In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) I have difficulty identifying little white crucifers, but I think that I can identify Common Scurvygrass (as seen at the Mull of Galloway and at Rockcliffe on Rough Firth). Try posting a pic. What are the other plants? BTW, Danish Scurvygrass is common on roadside around here. Thanks Stewart (you ID'd my last post BTW!) - I'll have to dig out my Wildlife/Flowers book to see what the others were.... in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...os/2433993389/ (I have some wider angles that I haven't uploaded if you need more leaf detail)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Looks like it. They have fleshy heart shaped leaves; the whole plant is usually fairly flat against the ground and usually within sight of the sea. Thanks Des - it was on low dunes close to Bridgwater Bay in W.Somerset. |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
In message , cupra
writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes robert wrote: In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) I have difficulty identifying little white crucifers, but I think that I can identify Common Scurvygrass (as seen at the Mull of Galloway and at Rockcliffe on Rough Firth). Try posting a pic. What are the other plants? BTW, Danish Scurvygrass is common on roadside around here. Thanks Stewart (you ID'd my last post BTW!) - I'll have to dig out my Wildlife/Flowers book to see what the others were.... in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...os/2433993389/ (I have some wider angles that I haven't uploaded if you need more leaf detail) It certainly looks like a scurvygrass. I've being checking my books, and scurvygrasses are a difficult group - as in botanists can't even agree how many types there are. I'd like to see the leaves to be sure, but your comment on the flower size seems to exclude Danish scurvygrass, which is the other common one. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , cupra writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes robert wrote: In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) I have difficulty identifying little white crucifers, but I think that I can identify Common Scurvygrass (as seen at the Mull of Galloway and at Rockcliffe on Rough Firth). Try posting a pic. What are the other plants? BTW, Danish Scurvygrass is common on roadside around here. Thanks Stewart (you ID'd my last post BTW!) - I'll have to dig out my Wildlife/Flowers book to see what the others were.... in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...os/2433993389/ (I have some wider angles that I haven't uploaded if you need more leaf detail) It certainly looks like a scurvygrass. I've being checking my books, and scurvygrasses are a difficult group - as in botanists can't even agree how many types there are. I'd like to see the leaves to be sure, but your comment on the flower size seems to exclude Danish scurvygrass, which is the other common one. Cheers - I spent a while looking at my books/google... Here's a (less sharp) pic with more leaf detail: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...n/photostream/ |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
In message , cupra
writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes robert wrote: In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) I have difficulty identifying little white crucifers, but I think that I can identify Common Scurvygrass (as seen at the Mull of Galloway and at Rockcliffe on Rough Firth). Try posting a pic. What are the other plants? BTW, Danish Scurvygrass is common on roadside around here. Thanks Stewart (you ID'd my last post BTW!) - I'll have to dig out my Wildlife/Flowers book to see what the others were.... in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...os/2433993389/ (I have some wider angles that I haven't uploaded if you need more leaf detail) It certainly looks like a scurvygrass. I've being checking my books, and scurvygrasses are a difficult group - as in botanists can't even agree how many types there are. I'd like to see the leaves to be sure, but your comment on the flower size seems to exclude Danish scurvygrass, which is the other common one. Cheers - I spent a while looking at my books/google... Here's a (less sharp) pic with more leaf detail: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...n/photostream/ Without seeing the basal leaves I can't be sure whether it's Cochlearia officinalis or Cochlearia anglica. Two months ago I picked up an old distribution atlas. According to this Cochlearia anglica has a scattered distribution along the coast, but Bridgewater Bay is one of the localities in which it occurs. Stace says it occurs on muddy coasts and estuaries, often in very wet places, so you finding the plant on low dunes may be a point against it being Cochlearia anglica. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , cupra writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes robert wrote: In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) I have difficulty identifying little white crucifers, but I think that I can identify Common Scurvygrass (as seen at the Mull of Galloway and at Rockcliffe on Rough Firth). Try posting a pic. What are the other plants? BTW, Danish Scurvygrass is common on roadside around here. Thanks Stewart (you ID'd my last post BTW!) - I'll have to dig out my Wildlife/Flowers book to see what the others were.... in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...os/2433993389/ (I have some wider angles that I haven't uploaded if you need more leaf detail) It certainly looks like a scurvygrass. I've being checking my books, and scurvygrasses are a difficult group - as in botanists can't even agree how many types there are. I'd like to see the leaves to be sure, but your comment on the flower size seems to exclude Danish scurvygrass, which is the other common one. Cheers - I spent a while looking at my books/google... Here's a (less sharp) pic with more leaf detail: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...n/photostream/ Without seeing the basal leaves I can't be sure whether it's Cochlearia officinalis or Cochlearia anglica. Two months ago I picked up an old distribution atlas. According to this Cochlearia anglica has a scattered distribution along the coast, but Bridgewater Bay is one of the localities in which it occurs. Stace says it occurs on muddy coasts and estuaries, often in very wet places, so you finding the plant on low dunes may be a point against it being Cochlearia anglica. Thanks, this is most interesting - I'll have to pop to the site again and have a look at the distribution. I found it is on the margins of the high tide mark where the sand meets the mud, I don't think it extended back into the larger dunes (larger is only a couple of metres high here....) but can't recall as it was a fleeting visit. |
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Any seaside wildflower experts here?
In message , cupra
writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: In message , cupra writes robert wrote: In message , cupra writes I think I ID'd some Common Scurveygrass flowers earlier but I'm not sure.... if anyone can help I'll post a pic? The quickest solution may be to have a look at http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalog/n129.jpg or do a google image search for "scurvy grass" Have done a google already, that's how I came up with the ID but not sure if my methods are correct (it looks similar to a couple of other plants) I have difficulty identifying little white crucifers, but I think that I can identify Common Scurvygrass (as seen at the Mull of Galloway and at Rockcliffe on Rough Firth). Try posting a pic. What are the other plants? BTW, Danish Scurvygrass is common on roadside around here. Thanks Stewart (you ID'd my last post BTW!) - I'll have to dig out my Wildlife/Flowers book to see what the others were.... in the meantime: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...os/2433993389/ (I have some wider angles that I haven't uploaded if you need more leaf detail) It certainly looks like a scurvygrass. I've being checking my books, and scurvygrasses are a difficult group - as in botanists can't even agree how many types there are. I'd like to see the leaves to be sure, but your comment on the flower size seems to exclude Danish scurvygrass, which is the other common one. Cheers - I spent a while looking at my books/google... Here's a (less sharp) pic with more leaf detail: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treetop...n/photostream/ Without seeing the basal leaves I can't be sure whether it's Cochlearia officinalis or Cochlearia anglica. Two months ago I picked up an old distribution atlas. According to this Cochlearia anglica has a scattered distribution along the coast, but Bridgewater Bay is one of the localities in which it occurs. Stace says it occurs on muddy coasts and estuaries, often in very wet places, so you finding the plant on low dunes may be a point against it being Cochlearia anglica. Thanks, this is most interesting - I'll have to pop to the site again and have a look at the distribution. I found it is on the margins of the high tide mark where the sand meets the mud, I don't think it extended back into the larger dunes (larger is only a couple of metres high here....) but can't recall as it was a fleeting visit. If you get to look at the plants again, the basal leaves of Cochlearia officinalis (common scurvygrass) are cordate or very broadly cuneate; those of Cochlearia anglica (*long-leaved* scurvygrass) are long cuneate. If there's no basal leaves left identification then the plants can be distinguished by their fruits. Per Stace, the fruits of C. anglica are "compressed, angustiseptate, the septum 3x as long as wide", and those of C. officinalis "scarcely compressed, the septum 2(3)x as long as wide". (I'd have to do a little more digging to work out what that means.) In the absence of basal leaves and fruits, identification becomes near impossible. (But at least in that locality you don't have to worry about C. scotica, C. atlantica, C. alpina or C. pyrenica.) -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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