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Joe Swift
I was interested in Joe's new allotment. It was good that he did not
know too much about veg growing before. Many people who take on allotments have not grown veg before, so he learns as he goes as others do. I agree with others that getting a digger on to most allotments is impossible and not necessarily desirable. Scraping off the top did not get rid of the weeds, but have you noticed since, that his soil looks beautiful. I'm sure that as well as the council-made compost, they had a team of workers digging over and taking out the nasty weed roots. He said he paid £68 rent for the year which included the services of the digger and a huge load of compost. The annual rent on my allotment has just gone up, after 20 years, fom £6 to £8. No digger, buy/make your own compost! Did you hear Joe say on one of the Chelsea progs that he is a trained archaeologist? Perhaps we should have a new programme; Time Team meets Gardeneners' World! Pam in Bristol |
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On 30/05/08 10:42, Pam Moore wrote:
I was interested in Joe's new allotment. It was good that he did not know too much about veg growing before. Many people who take on allotments have not grown veg before, so he learns as he goes as others do. I was looking forward with great interest to the allotment feature on GW as I have taken on a new plot myself. I was looking forward to getting real practical advice from an expert!! So, it is NOT good that Joe Swift is the frontman for this as vegetable growing is not his expertise and he often seems to laugh and sneer at his fellow allotment holders who have years of advice to offer him which he seems to treat with disdain. It used to be the case that GW presenters were experts in their fields! GW has now degenerated beyond belief and has become just another lifestyle program like all those cookery programs that teach you nothing. Worse still, Joe Swift and GW are simply jumping aboard the 'grow your own' theme that is very current in the UK. But they do not spell out the reality of taking on an allotment. It is real hard work in the first year to clear a plot properly and get it anywheres near ready for cultivation in the second year. (It actually takes even longer.) But they don't tell that to newbies; they pretend that most regular allotment holders can simply clear their sites in just 6 weeks and are ready to go. It is shocking to mislead people, with high hopes, in the way that they are doing. I think Joe Swift should be retired from being allotment frontman. Better to have one of his more experienced neighbours explain the process. Then maybe we all learn how to do it properly, including Joe. And does anyone think Joe Swift will still be tending his allotment after the current series of GW is finished? Ed |
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"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message ... On 30/05/08 10:42, Pam Moore wrote: I was interested in Joe's new allotment. It was good that he did not know too much about veg growing before. Many people who take on allotments have not grown veg before, so he learns as he goes as others do. I was looking forward with great interest to the allotment feature on GW as I have taken on a new plot myself. I was looking forward to getting real practical advice from an expert!! So, it is NOT good that Joe Swift is the frontman for this as vegetable growing is not his expertise and he often seems to laugh and sneer at his fellow allotment holders who have years of advice to offer him which he seems to treat with disdain. It used to be the case that GW presenters were experts in their fields! GW has now degenerated beyond belief and has become just another lifestyle program like all those cookery programs that teach you nothing. Worse still, Joe Swift and GW are simply jumping aboard the 'grow your own' theme that is very current in the UK. But they do not spell out the reality of taking on an allotment. It is real hard work in the first year to clear a plot properly and get it anywheres near ready for cultivation in the second year. (It actually takes even longer.) But they don't tell that to newbies; they pretend that most regular allotment holders can simply clear their sites in just 6 weeks and are ready to go. It is shocking to mislead people, with high hopes, in the way that they are doing. I think Joe Swift should be retired from being allotment frontman. Better to have one of his more experienced neighbours explain the process. Then maybe we all learn how to do it properly, including Joe. And does anyone think Joe Swift will still be tending his allotment after the current series of GW is finished? Ed Ed, i think Joe will keep the plot, i find the best experience you can get is by trying something for yourself and other growers, Joe is doing this. And he is providing real practical advise . SNIP he often seems to laugh and sneer at his fellow allotment holders who have years of advice to offer him which he seems to treat with disdain. I have not felt this at all so i do not know where you have ? If anything he has had a bit of stick from a boring old fart who is stuck in his ways and can only grow in rows . I find it more frustrating when you cannot relate to a program, i.e makeover programs when they use loads of mature plants that most cannot compete with or gardens that are that huge it makes you pig sick with envy . Monty has covered loads about veg growing so think Joe`s project should inspire and help many people.Veg growing is possibly the easiest, most veg you just chuck the seed in and away you grow. |
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Joe Swift
On 30/5/08 17:04, in article
net, "Ed" ex@directory wrote: On 30/05/08 10:42, Pam Moore wrote: I was interested in Joe's new allotment. It was good that he did not know too much about veg growing before. Many people who take on allotments have not grown veg before, so he learns as he goes as others do. I was looking forward with great interest to the allotment feature on GW as I have taken on a new plot myself. I was looking forward to getting real practical advice from an expert!! So, it is NOT good that Joe Swift is the frontman for this as vegetable growing is not his expertise and he often seems to laugh and sneer at his fellow allotment holders who have years of advice to offer him which he seems to treat with disdain. It used to be the case that GW presenters were experts in their fields! GW has now degenerated beyond belief and has become just another lifestyle program like all those cookery programs that teach you nothing. snip Ed, I do hope you've sent this to the Beeb, because if you haven't, it won't make a ha'porth of difference. Please let them have your opinion. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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"keith kent" wrote i think Joe will keep the plot, i find the best experience you can get is by trying something for yourself and other growers, Joe is doing this. And he is providing real practical advise . It is interesting but practical advise, from a learner? Only from his mistakes. I have not felt this at all so i do not know where you have ? If anything he has had a bit of stick from a boring old fart who is stuck in his ways and can only grow in rows . Pehaps that guy knows what he's doing and grows in rows for very good reasons. We would need to see his crops to see if he knows his stuff though. I find it more frustrating when you cannot relate to a program, i.e makeover programs when they use loads of mature plants that most cannot compete with or gardens that are that huge it makes you pig sick with envy . Monty has covered loads about veg growing so think Joe`s project should inspire and help many people.Veg growing is possibly the easiest, most veg you just chuck the seed in and away you grow. Easiest, really!? That is not my experience of veg growing. -- Regards Bob Hobden |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 17:04:23 +0100, Ed ex@directory wrote:
I think Joe Swift should be retired from being allotment frontman. Better to have one of his more experienced neighbours explain the process. Then maybe we all learn how to do it properly, including Joe. And does anyone think Joe Swift will still be tending his allotment after the current series of GW is finished? Have any of you heard the gardener who does a spot on Jeremy Vine's lunchtime show? I've only heard him a couple of times but they showed him on his allotment on one of the Chelsea progs I think. Now he would be really good to tell everyone the secrets of allotment working. Pam in Bristol |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "keith kent" wrote i think Joe will keep the plot, i find the best experience you can get is by trying something for yourself and other growers, Joe is doing this. And he is providing real practical advise . It is interesting but practical advise, from a learner? Only from his mistakes. I have not felt this at all so i do not know where you have ? If anything he has had a bit of stick from a boring old fart who is stuck in his ways and can only grow in rows . Pehaps that guy knows what he's doing and grows in rows for very good reasons. We would need to see his crops to see if he knows his stuff though. I find it more frustrating when you cannot relate to a program, i.e makeover programs when they use loads of mature plants that most cannot compete with or gardens that are that huge it makes you pig sick with envy . Monty has covered loads about veg growing so think Joe`s project should inspire and help many people.Veg growing is possibly the easiest, most veg you just chuck the seed in and away you grow. Easiest, really!? That is not my experience of veg growing. -- Regards Bob Hobden My point is Bob is that veg will grow in any size and shape of plot well enough to supply most with enough green stuff to make them sick of the site of it by the end of summer.I find that veg is easy to grow, most things grow, if they don`t then sow again or try something else. Veg growing is not rocket science and this is what i will miss about Monty he promoted anyone to give it a go in any situation. Keith |
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"keith kent" wrote in message ... "Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "keith kent" wrote i think Joe will keep the plot, i find the best experience you can get is by trying something for yourself and other growers, Joe is doing this. And he is providing real practical advise . It is interesting but practical advise, from a learner? Only from his mistakes. I have not felt this at all so i do not know where you have ? If anything he has had a bit of stick from a boring old fart who is stuck in his ways and can only grow in rows . Pehaps that guy knows what he's doing and grows in rows for very good reasons. We would need to see his crops to see if he knows his stuff though. I find it more frustrating when you cannot relate to a program, i.e makeover programs when they use loads of mature plants that most cannot compete with or gardens that are that huge it makes you pig sick with envy . Monty has covered loads about veg growing so think Joe`s project should inspire and help many people.Veg growing is possibly the easiest, most veg you just chuck the seed in and away you grow. Easiest, really!? That is not my experience of veg growing. -- Regards Bob Hobden My point is Bob is that veg will grow in any size and shape of plot well enough to supply most with enough green stuff to make them sick of the site of it by the end of summer.I find that veg is easy to grow, most things grow, if they don`t then sow again or try something else. Veg growing is not rocket science and this is what i will miss about Monty he promoted anyone to give it a go in any situation. Keith Forgot to add i think he does give practical advise, he has shown how to create beds, so seed ,buy and put up a second hand shed,onion sets,garlic,brassicas ,peas this is naming a few. |
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Joe Swift
On 30/05/08 18:57, Sacha wrote:
On 30/5/08 17:04, in article net, "Ed" ex@directory wrote: On 30/05/08 10:42, Pam Moore wrote: I was interested in Joe's new allotment. It was good that he did not know too much about veg growing before. Many people who take on allotments have not grown veg before, so he learns as he goes as others do. I was looking forward with great interest to the allotment feature on GW as I have taken on a new plot myself. I was looking forward to getting real practical advice from an expert!! So, it is NOT good that Joe Swift is the frontman for this as vegetable growing is not his expertise and he often seems to laugh and sneer at his fellow allotment holders who have years of advice to offer him which he seems to treat with disdain. It used to be the case that GW presenters were experts in their fields! GW has now degenerated beyond belief and has become just another lifestyle program like all those cookery programs that teach you nothing. snip Ed, I do hope you've sent this to the Beeb, because if you haven't, it won't make a ha'porth of difference. Please let them have your opinion. Yes. I have written to BBC about this and the current general demise of GW. Ed |
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On 30/05/08 18:16, keith kent wrote:
Veg growing is possibly the easiest, most veg you just chuck the seed in and away you grow. You mean there is no need to dig over and prepare the ground first with manure/compost/lime or to water, to hoe, to feed, to support large plants, to thin out overcrowded seedlings, to protect your crops from predators or frost/wind/sun etc etc? Yikes!! We're all doing it wrong then on my allotment site; even the guys with lifetimes of experience!! Ed |
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"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message et... So, it is NOT good that Joe Swift is the frontman for this as vegetable growing is not his expertise and he often seems to laugh and sneer at his fellow allotment holders who have years of advice to offer him which he seems to treat with disdain. It used to be the case that GW presenters were experts in their fields! GW has now degenerated beyond belief and has become just another lifestyle program like all those cookery programs that teach you nothing. snip Ed, I do hope you've sent this to the Beeb, because if you haven't, it won't make a ha'porth of difference. Please let them have your opinion. Yes. I have written to BBC about this and the current general demise of GW. Good - my vote would be for Rachel D.T. - she is more than welcome to garden my world every week ! I am not to enthusiastic about the lady that sounds like she heralds from up Blackburn way Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com |
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"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message ... On 30/05/08 18:16, keith kent wrote: Veg growing is possibly the easiest, most veg you just chuck the seed in and away you grow. You mean there is no need to dig over and prepare the ground first with manure/compost/lime or to water, to hoe, to feed, to support large plants, to thin out overcrowded seedlings, to protect your crops from predators or frost/wind/sun etc etc? Yikes!! We're all doing it wrong then on my allotment site; even the guys with lifetimes of experience!! Ed You are taking my quote literally, Maybe you are letting it get to you when it should be a enjoyable experience.All of the points above i find easy and enjoyable after all it is gardening. Maybe you are taken too much on.You cannot beat the no dig raised beds,like Joes. Once the preperation is done they almost look after themselves, apart from weeding & some added compost once a year . And i would say only grow what you will & can eat, i went the full hog one year and turned 50ft x 18ft of my garden into a veg patch but i had tooooooooo much and most veg went to waste. I suppose i fell in love with the idea more than the reality. Regards Keith |
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