"Judith in France" wrote in message
...
On Jul 24, 10:07 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message

...



On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
snet...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling -
I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat.
Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in
the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I
will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better
web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn
basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address
here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are
making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.

What?? What are you accusing me of? I'm defending your site!!!!!!!!

Gavin, dear one, the site needs no defence. Goodnight from La Belle
France.

I am allowed to express my opinion surely. Or do you control that?

On Jul 24, 10:21 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Judith in France" wrote in ...



On Jul 24, 10:07 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message

. ..

On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
snet...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling -
I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat.
Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in
the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I
will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better
web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn
basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address
here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are
making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.

What?? What are you accusing me of? I'm defending your site!!!!!!!!

Gavin, dear one, the site needs no defence. Goodnight from La Belle
France.

I am allowed to express my opinion surely. Or do you control that?

I control nothing sweetie, furthermore I read with interest your
opinions, but you wouldn't want me to agree with you when I don't
would you?

Judith

In article , gavin
writes

"Sacha" wrote in message
.. .
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Looks good - but... I see you're using something called RapidWeaver which I
haven't heard of before (I don't use a Mac) and if that's the code it
generates I'm not impressed. Why all the JavaScript? What happens if I turn
it off - not a lot - I can't see the Flash slideshow but not much else as
far as I can see. Why is the text all PNGs? That is not at all accessible
which in this day and age is a big black mark! Sorry to put a dampener on
things :-(




Maybe it's a Mac version of Dreamweaver?
Even that puts in a lot of excess stuff which you don't know unless you
arrive at websites from doing them in Ye Olde days with Arachnophilia or
other basic HTML programmer

I change png's after making them because they use up an awful lot of
room and used to bloat our band usage everytime someone looked at them.
Maybe nowadays it doesn't matter so much?


--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

"Judith in France" wrote in message
...
On Jul 24, 10:21 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Judith in France" wrote in
...



On Jul 24, 10:07 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message

. ..

On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
snet...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There
are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit
baffling -
I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler
code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat.
Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested
in
the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something -
I
will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are
better
web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged
for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in
practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if
you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn
basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address
here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has
been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used
as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT
have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are
making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we
are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about
that.

What?? What are you accusing me of? I'm defending your site!!!!!!!!

Gavin, dear one, the site needs no defence. Goodnight from La Belle
France.

I am allowed to express my opinion surely. Or do you control that?

I control nothing sweetie, furthermore I read with interest your
opinions, but you wouldn't want me to agree with you when I don't
would you?

I really don't mind. I haven't been in this ng for long - you're not a very
nice bunch, are you?

On Jul 24, 10:20 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message

...



On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
snet...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling - I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat. Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.

Having just re-read your post I am even more annoyed at what you have
written! At no time will I "use" for your site for any purpose at all. What
use could I possibly put it to? Please explain. "A training example for
other designers"? Please also explain that sentence.

I have also made no assumptions about what you are being charged for your
site. Please show me where I have. I couldn't care what you have paid. I
made a GENERAL statement about SOME web developers and the exorbitant
charges that they make. I work in web development and I am qualified to talk
on this subject. Again, I couldn't care less who built your site or what
they charge you.

You really should learn to read what is posted before you get on your high
horse and sound off.

Whoa! mixed messages Gavin, Sacha is one of the nicest posters here,
it could be that , moi, in a position of neutral, I assure you, that
she read something inti your post that was not intended? Isn't it
awful that sometimes the written word comes over with undertones that
we don't mean? I have known Sacha for a huge number of years, she is
knowledgeable, her husband is more knowledge and more than that, he is
an "expert" on all matters gardening and well respected. I suspect
that there has been a little misunderstanding. When you know Sacha,
as most of us do, you will realise that this is a woman who is
totally dedicated to gardening and very protective of what she sees,
as sound knowledge. Pax???? Yes?

Judith

"Judith in France" wrote in message
...
On Jul 24, 10:20 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message

...



On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
snet...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling -
I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat.
Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in
the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I
will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better
web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn
basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address
here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are
making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.

Having just re-read your post I am even more annoyed at what you have
written! At no time will I "use" for your site for any purpose at all.
What
use could I possibly put it to? Please explain. "A training example for
other designers"? Please also explain that sentence.

I have also made no assumptions about what you are being charged for your
site. Please show me where I have. I couldn't care what you have paid. I
made a GENERAL statement about SOME web developers and the exorbitant
charges that they make. I work in web development and I am qualified to
talk
on this subject. Again, I couldn't care less who built your site or what
they charge you.

You really should learn to read what is posted before you get on your
high
horse and sound off.

Whoa! mixed messages Gavin, Sacha is one of the nicest posters here,
it could be that , moi, in a position of neutral, I assure you, that
she read something inti your post that was not intended? Isn't it
awful that sometimes the written word comes over with undertones that
we don't mean? I have known Sacha for a huge number of years, she is
knowledgeable, her husband is more knowledge and more than that, he is
an "expert" on all matters gardening and well respected. I suspect
that there has been a little misunderstanding. When you know Sacha,
as most of us do, you will realise that this is a woman who is
totally dedicated to gardening and very protective of what she sees,
as sound knowledge. Pax???? Yes?

Then maybe Sacha should learn not to read into words intentions that are not
there. I have no doubt that Sacha is an expert gardener whereas I'm a novice
therefore I would not assume to question her on her area of expertise. As I
work in web development I thought Sacha might be interested in my
"professional" comments on her site.

I don't hold grudges - but I do speak my mind.

On Jul 24, 10:29 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Judith in France" wrote in ...



On Jul 24, 10:21 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Judith in France" wrote in
...

On Jul 24, 10:07 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message

. ..

On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
snet...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There
are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit
baffling -
I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler
code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat.
Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested
in
the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something -
I
will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are
better
web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged
for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in
practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if
you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn
basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address
here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has
been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used
as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT
have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are
making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we
are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about
that.

What?? What are you accusing me of? I'm defending your site!!!!!!!!

Gavin, dear one, the site needs no defence. Goodnight from La Belle
France.

I am allowed to express my opinion surely. Or do you control that?

I control nothing sweetie, furthermore I read with interest your
opinions, but you wouldn't want me to agree with you when I don't
would you?

I really don't mind. I haven't been in this ng for long - you're not a very
nice bunch, are you?

Gavin, let's start again, Welcome, I am Judith, I live in France,
where do you live, what is your garden like? I expect, reading you,
that you will put me to shame, I am a bumbling gardener in France, I
am quite ignorant on a lot of gardening matters. I have posted here
since I had a better body. Everyone here gives me great advice, I
have huge affection for all of them. They are friendly and many are
experts, they have always treated me with great restraint and
patience. Will you allow me to welcome you? Will you make
allowances for human nature? Lets begin again yes?

Judith

On Jul 24, 10:41 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Judith in France" wrote in ...



On Jul 24, 10:20 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message

. ..

On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
snet...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling -
I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat.
Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in
the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I
will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better
web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn
basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address
here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are
making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.

Having just re-read your post I am even more annoyed at what you have
written! At no time will I "use" for your site for any purpose at all.
What
use could I possibly put it to? Please explain. "A training example for
other designers"? Please also explain that sentence.

I have also made no assumptions about what you are being charged for your
site. Please show me where I have. I couldn't care what you have paid. I
made a GENERAL statement about SOME web developers and the exorbitant
charges that they make. I work in web development and I am qualified to
talk
on this subject. Again, I couldn't care less who built your site or what
they charge you.

You really should learn to read what is posted before you get on your
high
horse and sound off.

Whoa! mixed messages Gavin, Sacha is one of the nicest posters here,
it could be that , moi, in a position of neutral, I assure you, that
she read something inti your post that was not intended? Isn't it
awful that sometimes the written word comes over with undertones that
we don't mean? I have known Sacha for a huge number of years, she is
knowledgeable, her husband is more knowledge and more than that, he is
an "expert" on all matters gardening and well respected. I suspect
that there has been a little misunderstanding. When you know Sacally dedicated to gardening and very protective of what she sees,
as sound knowledge. Pax???? Yes?

Then maybe Sacha should learn not to read into words intentions that are not
there. I have no doubt that Sacha is an expert gardener whereas I'm a novice
therefore I would not assume to question her on her area of expertise. As I
work in web development I thought Sacha might be interested in my
"professional" comments on her site.

I don't hold grudges - but I do speak my mind.

Listen sweetheart, I know she will be very interested in your views on
her website, but it did come over as critical rather than helpful? I
am sure she would appreciate hearing fro you, personally, when you can
talk, one to one? Email works, sometimes. Again, I am interested in
your garden, will you tell us what you do and maybe a few pics? I am
going to put a few of mine on group tonight, if I can get the hang of
i. /Are you any good with teaching morons, me, how to use a computer
effectively?

Judith

"Judith in France" wrote in message
...
On Jul 24, 10:41 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Judith in France" wrote in
...



On Jul 24, 10:20 pm, "gavin"
wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message

. ..

On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:

"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
snet...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com

Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There
are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit
baffling -
I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler
code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat.
Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested
in
the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something -
I
will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are
better
web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged
for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in
practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if
you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn
basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).

I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address
here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has
been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used
as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT
have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are
making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we
are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about
that.

Having just re-read your post I am even more annoyed at what you have
written! At no time will I "use" for your site for any purpose at all.
What
use could I possibly put it to? Please explain. "A training example
for
other designers"? Please also explain that sentence.

I have also made no assumptions about what you are being charged for
your
site. Please show me where I have. I couldn't care what you have paid.
I
made a GENERAL statement about SOME web developers and the exorbitant
charges that they make. I work in web development and I am qualified
to
talk
on this subject. Again, I couldn't care less who built your site or
what
they charge you.

You really should learn to read what is posted before you get on your
high
horse and sound off.

Whoa! mixed messages Gavin, Sacha is one of the nicest posters here,
it could be that , moi, in a position of neutral, I assure you, that
she read something inti your post that was not intended? Isn't it
awful that sometimes the written word comes over with undertones that
we don't mean? I have known Sacha for a huge number of years, she is
knowledgeable, her husband is more knowledge and more than that, he is
an "expert" on all matters gardening and well respected. I suspect
that there has been a little misunderstanding. When you know Sacally
dedicated to gardening and very protective of what she sees,
as sound knowledge. Pax???? Yes?

Then maybe Sacha should learn not to read into words intentions that are
not
there. I have no doubt that Sacha is an expert gardener whereas I'm a
novice
therefore I would not assume to question her on her area of expertise. As
I
work in web development I thought Sacha might be interested in my
"professional" comments on her site.

I don't hold grudges - but I do speak my mind.

Listen sweetheart, I know she will be very interested in your views on
her website, but it did come over as critical rather than helpful? I
am sure she would appreciate hearing fro you, personally, when you can
talk, one to one? Email works, sometimes. Again, I am interested in
your garden, will you tell us what you do and maybe a few pics? I am
going to put a few of mine on group tonight, if I can get the hang of
i. /Are you any good with teaching morons, me, how to use a computer
effectively?

Where was my criticism? As I said I was defending the site - against the
overly harsh words from Ed. He was implying that the site was unusable. I
replied that it wasn't - although there are errors on it. I asked him for
details of where the site is unusable knowing that he couldn't give them.
The I made a general comment about something that really annoys me - how
much some "developers" (often very poor ones) charge for their services.
It's scandalous. I would never cite individual cases - that would be
unprofessional of me.

As for my garden, oh dear! I have a lawn which isn't too bad - I keep
meaning to try and get rid of some of the dandelions! I have one flower bed
which has a lot of greenery in it - but not many flowers so far. I live in
East Lancashire where we get plenty of rain but far less sunshine than some
areas of the country - that coupled with the lower temperatures means we are
behind, I think? I am trying tomatoes (outside) and (dwarf) runner beans
this year - I really don't have much of a clue! I started my runner beans
indoors - they thrived. But when I transplanted outdoors they went downhill
rapidly. They are perking up a little bit I don't have great hopes - shame,
I LOVE runner beans! They haven't produced many flowers :-(

What do you want to know about computers? I'll gladly help if I can.

"Judith in France" wrote in message
...
On Jul 24, 10:29 pm, "gavin"
wrote:


Gavin, let's start again, Welcome, I am Judith, I live in France,
where do you live, what is your garden like? I expect, reading you,
that you will put me to shame, I am a bumbling gardener in France, I
am quite ignorant on a lot of gardening matters. I have posted here
since I had a better body. Everyone here gives me great advice, I
have huge affection for all of them. They are friendly and many are
experts, they have always treated me with great restraint and
patience. Will you allow me to welcome you? Will you make
allowances for human nature? Lets begin again yes?

Thank you for welcoming me, Judith - that is very kind of you. Despite what
you (or others) may think I am a kind person also. I would never dream of
criticising people here - I don't know anyone, after all! Where in France
are you, Judith? How long have you been there? I am a Francophile - I tend
to go over most years for a holiday - not this year though :-( For the
last few years I've been down near Bordeaux and I LOVE it there!

I love seeing beautiful gardens and I admire people who know so much about
flora. I read the posts here even though most of them mean little to me :-)
I hope to pick up some knowledge and maybe I'll be able to put that back
into my garden.

On 24/7/08 22:07, in article ,
"gavin" wrote:


"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 24/7/08 16:49, in article
,
"gavin" wrote:


"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message
et...
On 21/07/08 19:40, Sacha wrote:
It's taken longer to build than Rome but it's out the

www.hillhousenursery.com


Your site needs some serious work to make it generally usable.

I've marked this thread OT so now we can discuss this here! There are
errors
on the site and I certainly find the construction a wee bit baffling - I
think the end result could have been done with far simpler code/CSS.
However, to say it is unusable is overstating the case somewhat. Please
give
details. I'm not trying to catch you out, I'm seriously interested in the
details of your argument. There's a chance I may learn something - I will
concede that there are any number of people out there who are better web
developers than I am.

What really makes me mad is the kind of money that can be charged for
building/maintaining a website - I know as I've seen this in practice.
Great
websites can be built from the ground up very cost effectively if you
know
where to go (which I do!). And it is actually pretty easy to learn basic
HTML/CSS in order to more than adequately maintain a site(as I do).


I would like to make it crystal clear that I put this site's address here
for potential customers to comment upon. It is not and never has been
intended as a training example for other designers and I think it
extremely
unfair and wrong for it to be suggested now that it should be used as
such.
While I accept this is where your interest lies, Gavin, you do NOT have
our
permission to use our site or its builders in this way and you are making
incorrect assumptions, to which we object strongly, about what we are
being
charged. You have absolutely no information or knowledge about that.

What?? What are you accusing me of? I'm defending your site!!!!!!!!


I am accusing you of nothing more than becoming a little over excited.
This is not a group that discusses web sites and their construction. The
reason I wrote to this group about our work in progress is because it is for
gardeners and I have been a member of the group for a few years before I
married my husband, the owner of the Nursery. Most of the people here can be
relied upon, for me, to give me an honest opinion. Many have known me for
years on group and/or we have met personally.
I am sure that your intentions are entirely straightforward but I would
prefer that you do not use our web site as an experimental or 'teaching'
organ. And I cannot be the only person to have noticed that in your
relatively short post you have thrice recommended yourself as a website
builder on the back of our web site. Again, I would prefer that you don't
use my posts to do that.
Thank you.
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

On Jul 24, 11:01 pm, "gavin"
wrote:


Where was my criticism? As I said I was defending the site - against the
overly harsh words from Ed. He was implying that the site was unusable. I
replied that it wasn't - although there are errors on it. I asked him for
details of where the site is unusable knowing that he couldn't give them.
The I made a general comment about something that really annoys me - how
much some "developers" (often very poor ones) charge for their services.
It's scandalous. I would never cite individual cases - that would be
unprofessional of me.

Lets skip on that and move on, yes? Misunderstanding, yes?

As for my garden, oh dear! I have a lawn which isn't too bad - I keep
meaning to try and get rid of some of the dandelions! I have one flower bed
which has a lot of greenery in it - but not many flowers so far. I live in
East Lancashire where we get plenty of rain but far less sunshine than some
areas of the country - that coupled with the lower temperatures means we are
behind, I think? I am trying tomatoes (outside) and (dwarf) runner beans
this year - I really don't have much of a clue! I started my runner beans
indoors - they thrived. But when I transplanted outdoors they went downhill
rapidly. They are perking up a little bit I don't have great hopes - shame,
I LOVE runner beans! They haven't produced many flowers :-(

I love runner beans with gravy, I am introducing the French to them!
Yes, I am really, I give them a first course of Yorkshire Pudding and
gravy and then the lamb and runner beans, I dare not serve potatoes as
well as they are not used to too much on their plates but I will get
there eventually and they will end up with carrot, parsnip, swede,
roast potato, boiled potatoes AND mint sauce before I have finished!
(Did I mention roast parsnip as well))

Don't worry about the dandelions, did you know that if you keep
rabbits, for the table, that they love them? Mind you, this is
France not England and I still find it unnerving when I am asked if I
would like a rabbit and it's blood...yuk!!!! (I don't like rabbit,
how how does one learn to refuse gracefully?)

Don''t worry about not having much of a clue, welcome to the club,
there are a few of us here like that,not many I admit, I am in the
minority, I am ranked as number 1, a position I am very protective and
proud of and there is no way I am giving it up to you, do you garden
in gold slippers by any chance? Don't worry, it will become clear
after a while:-)

What do you want to know about computers? I'll gladly help if I can.

Sweetheart, don't even go there! I am so stupid when it comes to
computers, no, I am, I admit it. I have been ridiculed on some groups
for being such an idiot but it doesn't bother me, I am so proud of me,
I had no idea, at one time that I would be able to talk with you!. I
want to use Turnpike and despite following all the instructions, I
cant do it so I have to use Google!!!! Not ideal but better than
nothing. Do ou fancy writing instructions that are idiot proof? and I
will advise you, if I can, on gardening matters, no, don;'t laugh, I
can try:-) Hugs and welcome.

Judith

"Sacha" wrote in message
...
On 24/7/08 22:07, in article
,

I am accusing you of nothing more than becoming a little over excited.

Over excited???? I'm not even excited let alone over excited. I don't see
where you ge that idea from. I would say that it is you who has got hot
under the collar.




This is not a group that discusses web sites and their construction.

Correct - hence I was the one that added "OT" to the subject line!




I am sure that your intentions are entirely straightforward

My interntions were to give you the benefit of my knowledge as I work in web
developemnt. But if your mind is closed ot that I won't lose any sleep over
it.



but I would
prefer that you do not use our web site as an experimental or 'teaching'
organ.

What gives you the idea that I would do that? I don't even know what you
mean. I reall coudn't care less about your little website.




And I cannot be the only person to have noticed that in your
relatively short post you have thrice recommended yourself as a website
builder on the back of our web site.

Nope. I haven't recommended myself as a website builder. I don't build
websites. Show me where I have done that once let alone thrice. Please learn
to read, Sacha, before you start accusing people. You know what of what you
speak. Shame.

"Judith in France" wrote in message
...
On Jul 24, 11:01 pm, "gavin"
wrote:

Lets skip on that and move on, yes? Misunderstanding, yes?

Judging by waht Sacha has just written I would say htat there is no
misunderstanding. I would say that she has a very bad attitude and is
accusing me of all sorts of htings that I haven't given her cause to think.
Anyway, I have asked her to back up her claims - and of course she won't be
able to.





I love runner beans with gravy, I am introducing the French to them!

Come to think of it I don' tthink I have ever seen runner beans in France!
What do they call them? Beans are "fèves", aren't they?




Don't worry about the dandelions, did you know that if you keep
rabbits, for the table, that they love them?

Unfortuantely I don't ahve rabbits so I'll try and keep on top of the
dandelions :-)




Don''t worry about not having much of a clue, welcome to the club,
there are a few of us here like that,not many I admit, I am in the
minority, I am ranked as number 1, a position I am very protective and
proud of and there is no way I am giving it up to you, do you garden
in gold slippers by any chance? Don't worry, it will become clear
after a while:-)

Gold slippers??? That sounds delightful :-) I'm sure the locals are
baffled!




Sweetheart, don't even go there! I am so stupid when it comes to
computers, no, I am, I admit it. I have been ridiculed on some groups
for being such an idiot but it doesn't bother me, I am so proud of me,
I had no idea, at one time that I would be able to talk with you!. I
want to use Turnpike and despite following all the instructions, I
cant do it so I have to use Google!!!! Not ideal but better than
nothing. Do ou fancy writing instructions that are idiot proof? and I
will advise you, if I can, on gardening matters, no, don;'t laugh, I
can try:-) Hugs and welcome.

I have never used Turnpike, sadly. I use boring old Outlook Express - it
comes with Windows and seems to do the job so I've never seen any reason to
use anything else. Sorry I can't help with that one. Ask me another :-)

On Jul 24, 11:40 pm, "gavin"
wrote:

Judging by waht Sacha has just written I would say htat there is no
misunderstanding. I would say that she has a very bad attitude and is
accusing me of all sorts of htings that I haven't given her cause to think.
Anyway, I have asked her to back up her claims - and of course she won't be
able to.

Don't judge her, you don't know her, I do. Trust me on this. She
doesn't need to back up any claims and I want you to drop it, please,
trust me? I have asked you to start again, yes?

Come to think of it I don' tthink I have ever seen runner beans in France!
What do they call them? Beans are "fèves", aren't they

You won't see runner beans in France unless it is someone like me
growing them, they are just called haricot verte. Did I spell that
correctly?

Gold slippers??? That sounds delightful :-) I'm sure the locals are baffled!

I wear gold mules as slippers. I am so lazy that when I go into the
garden, I don''t bother to change into outdoor shoes. Imagine, gold
slippers steeped in mud? wet, dirty? What do I do when I lose one in
deep mud and creep into the house with one foot very dirty? I wash
one foot in the bidet and buy a new pair and I do the same thing all
over again.. I told you I was a bit weird" ?

I have never used Turnpike, sadly. I use boring old Outlook Express - it
comes with Windows and seems to do the job so I've never seen any reason to
use anything else. Sorry I can't help with that one. Ask me another :-)

It is 1.15a.m. Friday morning here, I really do need my beauty sleep,
believe me!!! Sleep well.

Judith