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We are bombarded with advice from self-appointed experts on the subject of what we should eat.
Disregarding the fact that our eyes both face forwards, indicating a predator, or the fact that we have a carnivores dentition and digestive system, or the fact that we behave like predators (how many wars have there been?), we are told we must eat veg. O.K., I confess I like mash with my bangers. Ah, but we are supposed to eat 5 veg a day. O.K., so I'll mash 5 spuds. But they now say the veg have to be different colours !!. I got that sorted too, food colouring, 1 mashed spud coloured red, 1 green, 1 yellow, 1 blue, and 1 black. Everybody happy now?? Can I eat my dinner in peace?. |
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"Tim Perry" wrote in message ... We are bombarded with advice from self-appointed experts on the subject of what we should eat. Disregarding the fact that our eyes both face forwards, indicating a predator, or the fact that we have a carnivores dentition and digestive system, or the fact that we behave like predators (how many wars have there been?), we are told we must eat veg. O.K., I confess I like mash with my bangers. Ah, but we are supposed to eat 5 veg a day. O.K., so I'll mash 5 spuds. But they now say the veg have to be different colours !!. I got that sorted too, food colouring, 1 mashed spud coloured red, 1 green, 1 yellow, 1 blue, and 1 black. Everybody happy now?? Can I eat my dinner in peace?. Yes. Don't put too much Butter on those mashed potatoes. Bad for you Mike |
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On 20/08/08 04:43, Tim Perry wrote:
We are bombarded with advice from self-appointed experts on the subject of what we should eat. Disregarding the fact that our eyes both face forwards, indicating a predator, or the fact that we have a carnivores dentition and digestive system, or the fact that we behave like predators (how many wars have there been?), we are told we must eat veg. O.K., I confess I like mash with my bangers. Ah, but we are supposed to eat 5 veg a day. O.K., so I'll mash 5 spuds. But they now say the veg have to be different colours !!. I got that sorted too, food colouring, 1 mashed spud coloured red, 1 green, 1 yellow, 1 blue, and 1 black. Everybody happy now?? Can I eat my dinner in peace?. LOL! ur so right on the button Tim. Me, I don't know if I eat 5 a day as the Thought Police recommend. I just eat seasonally from my allotment. So some days, yeah , I'm stuffed with spuds, runners, sweetcorn and courgettes. Other days, maybe just a bit of cabbage. But I do like meat but cant grow a cow or pig or lamb. Went to a veggie restaurant recently with a mate, ordered my meal but wanted a side plate of steak!! They were not amused!! But I do drink 5 pints a day!! So I'm getting the benefit from all that barley and hops!! I also practice beer-rotation: as new brews come into my bar each fortnight, I switch. It's like crop rotation. Oh, and maybe often I have a bottle of wine in the evening to provide the grape juice; they say it is good for the heart. And I love gin, so then I'm also getting the benefit of the juniper berries as well. So Tim, I reckon we should eat n drink a whole lot of different foods. So, grow what you love; eat what you grow. Cheers, Ed |
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"Ed" ex@directory wrote in message et... On 20/08/08 04:43, Tim Perry wrote: We are bombarded with advice from self-appointed experts on the subject of what we should eat. Disregarding the fact that our eyes both face forwards, indicating a predator, or the fact that we have a carnivores dentition and digestive system, or the fact that we behave like predators (how many wars have there been?), we are told we must eat veg. O.K., I confess I like mash with my bangers. Ah, but we are supposed to eat 5 veg a day. O.K., so I'll mash 5 spuds. But they now say the veg have to be different colours !!. I got that sorted too, food colouring, 1 mashed spud coloured red, 1 green, 1 yellow, 1 blue, and 1 black. Everybody happy now?? Can I eat my dinner in peace?. LOL! ur so right on the button Tim. Me, I don't know if I eat 5 a day as the Thought Police recommend. I just eat seasonally from my allotment. So some days, yeah , I'm stuffed with spuds, runners, sweetcorn and courgettes. Other days, maybe just a bit of cabbage. But I do like meat but cant grow a cow or pig or lamb. Went to a veggie restaurant recently with a mate, ordered my meal but wanted a side plate of steak!! They were not amused!! But I do drink 5 pints a day!! So I'm getting the benefit from all that barley and hops!! I also practice beer-rotation: as new brews come into my bar each fortnight, I switch. It's like crop rotation. Oh, and maybe often I have a bottle of wine in the evening to provide the grape juice; they say it is good for the heart. And I love gin, so then I'm also getting the benefit of the juniper berries as well. So Tim, I reckon we should eat n drink a whole lot of different foods. So, grow what you love; eat what you grow. Cheers, Ed This 'health' thing does have its advantages, had to have my blood pressure checked yesterday. Rather a nice Practice Nurse did it :-)) She wants to see me again ;-) Have to offer to take her out one night for breakfast ;-) |
Hi Mike
Humm, Butter, yes, nice and rich and salty. None of that nasty artificial stuff that tastes like something between polystyrene and candle wax. Healthy,? it won't make you live forever, just makes it seem that long. |
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Hi Ed, A kindred spirit, speaking of which, mines a navy rum. Here's an idea, feed all the veg scraps and weeds to a rabbit, make lots of manure to grow more veg, and best of all - EAT THE RABBIT. You know how it goes ;- Watership Down, you've read the book, seen the film, now try the pie. |
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from "'Mike'" contains these words: SALTY????? Ooooooooooo bad for you ;-( Quite. But it's his funeral... -- Rusty Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk Separator in search of a sig |
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Funeral ? Steady on. My old Mum is 94 this year, we always had real butter. Notice how many foods that served our olds just fine, are now supposed to be almost toxic. I suspect it's more down to the fact that people today are just not made of the same stuff, too wrapped up in cotton wool. They worked much harder than we have to, so perhaps it's down to a lack of exercise, sitting on your butt all day. Here's a tale, The prophet sat on a rock, and up walked the devil. "Where are you going" said the prophet. "I'm going to the next town to kill 50 people with plague" said the devil. Some weeks later they met again, " Hey devil, you lied, you said 50 yet 10,000 are dead". " I did not lie, prophet, fear killed the others" |
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from Tim Perry contains these words: Funeral ? Steady on. My old Mum is 94 this year, we always had real butter. Ah, real butter! (Good for you.) Notice how many foods that served our olds just fine, are now supposed to be almost toxic. I suspect it's more down to the fact that people today are just not made of the same stuff, too wrapped up in cotton wool. Yup. All sorts of allergies. I must have consumed my peck of dirt as an anklebiter, let alone a lifetime. They worked much harder than we have to, so perhaps it's down to a lack of exercise, sitting on your butt all day. On average, (from several months' pedometer records) I walk about four miles a day, except in the shooting season (when I do a bit of brushing) when the average distance goes up by 50% and the terrain by a stick-in-the-mud factor of 5. Here's a tale, The prophet sat on a rock, and up walked the devil. "Where are you going" said the prophet. "I'm going to the next town to kill 50 people with plague" said the devil. Some weeks later they met again, " Hey devil, you lied, you said 50 yet 10,000 are dead". " I did not lie, prophet, fear killed the others" Probably Jeremiah... -- Rusty Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk Separator in search of a sig |
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Tim Perry writes
Funeral ? Steady on. My old Mum is 94 this year, we always had real butter. Notice how many foods that served our olds just fine, are now supposed to be almost toxic. The average life expectancy has increased over my lifetime. There are always exceptions, and they do not prove anything. But you know this, of course, and are just trying to inflame things. -- Kay |
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echinosum writes
No. Although it is plainly vegetable matter, potato doesn't count towards your 5 veg a day. I bet you aren't surprised to learn that sugar doesn't count either, even though its vegetable too. What about lemon meringue pie? -- Kay |
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At the end of the day it is advice, not something you have to do if you don't want to. If you want an unhealthy diet, that's up to you. Some people do live long on an unhealthy diet. Like Eubie Blake, a chain-smoking jazz musician who reputedly drank nothing but whisky, and who said on his 100th birthday, "If I'd known I was going to live so long, I'd have looked after myself better, dad." But statistically, he is an unusual case. |
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the point I was making, ie- What is a natural diet. It's like the ads for dog food that include carrot, sweetcorn and apple. Said to be 'Better by nature', but I cannot recall ever seeing a pack of wolves stalking a carrot field, or African hunting dogs chasing a corn on the cob. Yes, I love all fruit and most veg, but that was not my point. This thread has probably gone on long enough, and I think we will have to agree to differ, but there is a danger in blindly accepting as gospel everything the latest trendy 'expert' says. Please, don't abandon your own common sense. |
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Me ? trying to inflame things?. Perish the thought! Actually, I do enjoy a good debate, but not to the point where people start getting upset about it. So I must apologise. In mitigation, I should explain that I am not a 'Modern Man', I have just the one stomach, and never chew the cud. Oxford Dictionary;- Joke. n. thing said or done to cause laughter. |
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from Tim Perry contains these words: O.K., thanks for the amusing exchange, although I do feel it rather missed the point I was making, ie- What is a natural diet. It's like the ads for dog food that include carrot, sweetcorn and apple. Said to be 'Better by nature', but I cannot recall ever seeing a pack of wolves stalking a carrot field, or African hunting dogs chasing a corn on the cob. Yes, I love all fruit and most veg, but that was not my point. Our dog (of many moons ago) used to go out into the garden and eat apples amd pears. If there were any leftovers on people's plates (and that was seldom) she would wolf the lot, veg -carrots - and all. I don't ever remember any sweetcorn being left, but I know which way it would have gone, and how fast... This thread has probably gone on long enough, and I think we will have to agree to differ, but there is a danger in blindly accepting as gospel everything the latest trendy 'expert' says. Please, don't abandon your own common sense. Oh yes. It isn't as if they all sing from the same songsheet, and they keep changing the words every few years. -- Rusty Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk Separator in search of a sig |
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writes Tim Perry writes Funeral ? Steady on. My old Mum is 94 this year, we always had real butter. Notice how many foods that served our olds just fine, are now supposed to be almost toxic. The average life expectancy has increased over my lifetime. There are always exceptions, and they do not prove anything. But you know this, of course, and are just trying to inflame things. I'm surprised life expectancy has risen Kay as there are now a lot more factors causing early death like smoking, excessive drinking, skin cancers, fast cars, etc. Doesn't that bring the average down or did the infant deaths pull the average down? I would have thought life would be about the same in the UK? In any event I would suggest that quality of life is more important than quantity. So always be a gardener :) -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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In article , Tim Perry
writes or African hunting dogs chasing a corn on the cob. Actually corn on the cob is quite dangerous for dogs as the core can get stuck in the digestive system. I knew at least 2 dogs who have had to have surgery for a blockage due to cobs! I do know that some 'experts' (I use the word advisedly) argue that dogs go for the stomachs of animals first where there will be half digested plant material but then my dogs eat raw meat anyway. Wouldn't give up my bacon sandwiches for anything. Come the revolution and money means nothing perhaps we WILL be able to grow our own cows/pigs by bartering our 'better than shop bought' vegetables:) -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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"Janet Tweedy" wrote in message ... In article , K writes Tim Perry writes Funeral ? Steady on. My old Mum is 94 this year, we always had real butter. Notice how many foods that served our olds just fine, are now supposed to be almost toxic. The average life expectancy has increased over my lifetime. There are always exceptions, and they do not prove anything. But you know this, of course, and are just trying to inflame things. I'm surprised life expectancy has risen Kay as there are now a lot more factors causing early death like smoking, excessive drinking, skin cancers, fast cars, etc. Doesn't that bring the average down or did the infant deaths pull the average down? I would have thought life would be about the same in the UK? In any event I would suggest that quality of life is more important than quantity. So always be a gardener :) -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk Medical Care |
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You are quite right, quality is far more important than quantity. All this health advice is well meaning, but if you listened to them all what a miserable existence they would have you endure. Speaking of the well meaning, my old Nan used to say "The road to Hell is paved with good intent". Not so sure about your dig at fast cars, I love them, and bikes, the faster the better, the fact is that cars kill no-one, thats down to lousy incompetent drivers, but some find it easier to 'pass the buck' rather than admit the truth. Perhaps if drivers that cause a fatal 'accident' were automatically charged with murder, they might sit up and take notice. Anyhow, I love my food, and they can stick that silly little pile of garlic soaked in olive oil, and the foam on top. It reminds me too much of something the cat has failed to digest. When I come in after a hard days graft, or having dug the garden, I need good traditional food. Nothing else will fit the bill. |
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Janet Tweedy;812267 Wrote: I'm surprised life expectancy has risen Kay as there are now a lot more factors causing early death like smoking, excessive drinking, skin cancers, fast cars, etc. Doesn't that bring the average down or did the infant deaths pull the average down? There is a lot less smoking than there used to be, certainly among men. Treatment of cancers is now a lot more successful, as is the treatment for a large number of conditions which previously would have curtailed life. Road accident deaths are not that numerous compared with deaths by other means. I would have thought life would be about the same in the UK? In any event I would suggest that quality of life is more important than quantity. So always be a gardener :) Sadly, along with increase in life expectancy has gone an increase in the length of that dismal period of decline towards the end of life. -- Kay |
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now if I try I get this nasty pain in my knees. I suppose some would say it's due to my diet, but I don't really care. Life is not a dress rehearsal, you only get one crack at it, so I may as well have a little pleasure whilst I may. |
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On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:43:03 +0100, Tim Perry wrote:
We are bombarded with advice from self-appointed experts on the subject of what we should eat. Disregarding the fact that our eyes both face forwards, indicating a predator, Yep - cursive hunter if I remember correctly. More predator than prey, in most cases. However even all out predators are prey at times - hunted by other predators. Just on balance they hunt more than they are hunted. or the fact that we have a carnivores dentition and digestive system, Nope - we have an omnivore's dentition and digestive tract. That means we have grinding teeth for vegetables as well as incisors and canines for the meat course. We don't have the elaborate digestive tract that herbivores such as ruminants have, to allow them to get the maximum food value out of grass, but we do have a long enough gut to allow us to process some goodness out of vegetables. One of the reasons that we have been so successful as a species is that we can eat almost anything and are therefore not tied to a specific habitat. The classic 'predator/prey relationship' shows how a predator is very much tied to the prey population. We eat predators, their prey, and most of the prey's foodstuffs as well. We also eat each other, although that is not always considered polite these days. So go for a truly balanced diet - a bit of everything! I seem to think that dogs and cats are a good example - dogs will eat anything, and can survive quite happily on a vegetarian diet. Cats, on the other hand, need a diet which is mainly protein (although they sometimes go and catch it themselves). Dogs are still, however, considered a predator species. or the fact that we behave like predators (how many wars have there been?), Behave like predators? Well, the life of a lion seems pretty good - laze around all day while the wives go out hunting. :-) we are told we must eat veg. O.K., I confess I like mash with my bangers. Ah, but we are supposed to eat 5 veg a day. O.K., so I'll mash 5 spuds. But they now say the veg have to be different colours !!. I got that sorted too, food colouring, 1 mashed spud coloured red, 1 green, 1 yellow, 1 blue, and 1 black. Everybody happy now?? Can I eat my dinner in peace?. |
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In article , Tim Perry
writes Not so sure about your dig at fast cars, I love them, and bikes, the faster the better, the fact is that cars kill no-one, I disagree! Some have malfunctions which can't be foreseen and some get driven into by other cars, when in fact you wouldn't have been where you were if you hadn't been in a car or bike (er. if you see what i mean!) Perhaps if drivers that cause a fatal 'accident' were automatically charged with murder, they might sit up and take notice. I find cars that male drivers prefer are TOO comfortable, on journeys , say down the M40. It gets so boring that if you are the slightest bit tired I can well imagine people dropping off to sleep as the cars nowadays cushion your senses to the ultimate degree. Now if you had a car like our old Imp in 1970 you were so worried about breaking down or the windows falling out that you didn't let up concentration for a minute. I firmly believe cars now induce in men and I suppose some women, a state of safety which is TOO reassuring and they take chances. Can't remember where it was but some town planner somewhere said that in a trial, if you took away all the road signs and roundabouts and traffic lights, drivers HAD to be more careful as they weren't sure what they were going to encounter.:) Anyhow, I love my food, and they can stick that silly little pile of garlic soaked in olive oil, and the foam on top. It reminds me too much of something the cat has failed to digest. When I come in after a hard days graft, or having dug the garden, I need good traditional food. Nothing else will fit the bill. I am old enough to remember the Berni Inns where you got a prawn cocktail, steak and chips with maybe peas or chicken (my favourite) then a choice of a lurid strawberry gateau or a chocolate cake all for under a pound I think :) ah, thems was the days ........................ -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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In article , David WE Roberts
writes We also eat each other, although that is not always considered polite these days. So go for a truly balanced diet - a bit of everything! I'll pass on the plate of fellow gardener thank you David :) -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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from Janet Tweedy contains these words: I find cars that male drivers prefer are TOO comfortable, on journeys , say down the M40. It gets so boring that if you are the slightest bit tired I can well imagine people dropping off to sleep as the cars nowadays cushion your senses to the ultimate degree. Now if you had a car like our old Imp in 1970 you were so worried about breaking down or the windows falling out that you didn't let up concentration for a minute. Sounds a bit like my 1959 SIIA SWB Lard Roller... I firmly believe cars now induce in men and I suppose some women, a state of safety which is TOO reassuring and they take chances. Can't remember where it was but some town planner somewhere said that in a trial, if you took away all the road signs and roundabouts and traffic lights, drivers HAD to be more careful as they weren't sure what they were going to encounter.:) A nearby village had a white line painted down the middle of the road through it, and traffic went much faster. On advice, the Highways Department removed the white line, and traffic went more slowly. Well, most of it... Anyhow, I love my food, and they can stick that silly little pile of garlic soaked in olive oil, and the foam on top. It reminds me too much of something the cat has failed to digest. When I come in after a hard days graft, or having dug the garden, I need good traditional food. Nothing else will fit the bill. I am old enough to remember the Berni Inns where you got a prawn cocktail, steak and chips with maybe peas or chicken (my favourite) then a choice of a lurid strawberry gateau or a chocolate cake all for under a pound I think :) ah, thems was the days ........................ My nearby caff in the '60s provided a good, freshly-cooked meal for less than half a crown. Nothing haute about the cuisine, but none of yer pink squishy bangers or milk-protein adulterated bacon. -- Rusty Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk Separator in search of a sig |
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Can't remember where it was but some town planner somewhere said that in a trial, if you took away all the road signs and roundabouts and traffic lights, drivers HAD to be more careful as they weren't sure what they were going to encounter.:) In the middle of the Isle of Wight there is a traffic concoction called 'Coppins Bridge'. There were I believe 13 sets of traffic lights but I think one set has been taken away. Anyoldhow, when they are switched ON, almost chaos. Certainly the traffic does not flow smoothly. However, a short while back the whole system went down. For days!! And for days the traffic flowed as smooth as you like :-) Why they switched them back on again I don't know |
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from Janet Tweedy contains these words: In article , David WE Roberts writes We also eat each other, although that is not always considered polite these days. So go for a truly balanced diet - a bit of everything! I'll pass on the plate of fellow gardener thank you David :) What will you pass on it? D&RFC -- Rusty Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk Separator in search of a sig |
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from "'Mike'" contains these words: Can't remember where it was but some town planner somewhere said that in a trial, if you took away all the road signs and roundabouts and traffic lights, drivers HAD to be more careful as they weren't sure what they were going to encounter.:) In the middle of the Isle of Wight there is a traffic concoction called 'Coppins Bridge'. There were I believe 13 sets of traffic lights but I think one set has been taken away. Anyoldhow, when they are switched ON, almost chaos. Certainly the traffic does not flow smoothly. However, a short while back the whole system went down. For days!! And for days the traffic flowed as smooth as you like :-) Why they switched them back on again I don't know Because they've been PAID FOR. Must show we are using the public's money wisely... -- Rusty Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk Separator in search of a sig |
Did you know that the Police and insurance companies now refuse to call them Road Traffic Accidents, because that might imply that no-one is to blame. They are now Road Traffic Collisions.
The statistics show that less than 1% can be due, even in part, to mechanical failure, and even then drivers are supposed to check their vehicle before any trip, so no 'get out clause' there. It is true that cars are too isolated from the outside world, you sit there in a comfy seat, stereo playing, air conditioning on, and that big screen before you is much like a tv, nothing seems real. Thats why they say motorcyclists make better drivers, because they are in much closer contact to their environment, and know that to fail in concentration is probably to get seriously hurt. We once had a Police Accident Inspector give a talk at our 'bike club, he said, 1, Speed was not a factor, because 87% collisions happen at 30 mph or less. 2, Most car/motorcycle incidents he knew what the car driver was going to say, " I didn't see him coming " ( if you can't see something 5ft high and 2ft wide, you have no place behind the wheel ). 3, Most car incidents happen within 2 miles of the drivers home, they are too familiar with the road, and probably thinking what they will do when they get there. Anyway, I still prefer a good plate of meat to a lettuce leaf, a substantial meal to some of that muck tv chefs try to push out. And I WON'T change, so there ! |
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The digestive system of a vegetarian animal produces on average around 7 times as much methane as that of a carnivore. Methane is one of the major greenhouse gases. So, to save your planet, eat a vegetarian every day. or, I hate Freds guts, O.K., push them to the side and eat your greens. |
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Is that what they mean when they say 'A dog is not just for Christmas', I suppose, depending upon it's size, and how frugal you are, you could have broth on New Years Eve. Hey, re PKs thread, Foxes, perhaps thats the answer to all those urban foxes and feral cats - eat the little blighters, that'll teach 'em we are not to be messed with !! |
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2 writes I'll pass on the plate of fellow gardener thank you David :) What will you pass on it? D&RFC Well it won't be half digested gardener:) -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
I had just sat down for lunch a few weeks ago, when my pal and his wife, a
normally sweet and gentle soul, walked in. Upon seeing my meal she straight away launched into one of her tirades. " That's disgusting, I don't know how you could bear to sit there with dead animals on your plate." she announced. Trying to be Oh so very tactful, I said " I understand where you are coming from, Sweetheart, but you see I don't have any choice." " Just what do you mean, you have no choice, why not." she asked. " Well, if they aint dead on my plate the buggers jump off when I shove the fork in." I explained. |
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