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Nice to be home but returning with a query. In a small public park in
Devonport near Auckland, NZ, we saw a tree that is entirely new to us called (I think) Morton Bay fig. This seems to be Ficus macrophylla but is this the same tree? Can any Kiwis confirm that ID? We were told it's ornamental and the fruit is eaten only by monkeys in its original home of.....?! The leaves look similar to some form of Magnolia and Ray heard someone tell his friends that's what it is - but it isn't. Is it? ;-)) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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On Dec 16, 2:40*am, Sacha wrote:
Nice to be home but returning with a query. *In a small public park in Devonport near Auckland, NZ, we saw a tree that is entirely new to us called (I think) Morton Bay fig. *This seems to be Ficus macrophylla but is this the same tree? *Can any Kiwis confirm that ID? *We were told it's ornamental and the fruit is eaten only by monkeys in its original home of.....?! *The leaves look similar to some form of Magnolia and Ray heard someone tell his friends that's what it is - but it isn't. *Is it? *;-)) -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) Good to see you back, hope you both had a great time. The Moreton Bay fig is widespread throughout Australasia and can develop into a huge banyan, with roots growing down from the branches and developing into supporting, trunk-like, 'stilt roots' in time. The foliage of adult trees is somewhat similar in shape to that of evergreen magnolias, but is deep glossy green with paler green undersides and the typical ficus bud sheath is present at all shoot tips. In cooler climates, it does not achieve the massive proportions of those growing in N. Queensland and the Northern Territories, but it can still become an impressive tree. I understand it is also grown in S. California, although as a 'street tree' it can cause problems. It makes a very handsome 'pot plant' in this country and was widely offered here during the 1970s. It proved to be a better behaved 'rubber plant' than the more conventional Ficus elastica, branching readily and developing into a more balanced specimen. For some reason it didn't 'catch on' and had all but disappeared by the early 1980s. It appears to be more cool tolerant than Ficus elastica and may even cope with being grown out of doors in the mildest regions of the UK. I received a seedling from a strain that is supposedly cold tolerant and it has grown away quite well this summer. It has coped with our winter so far. Fingers crossed. |
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Sacha writes
Nice to be home but returning with a query. In a small public park in Devonport near Auckland, NZ, we saw a tree that is entirely new to us called (I think) Morton Bay fig. This seems to be Ficus macrophylla but is this the same tree? Can any Kiwis confirm that ID? We were told it's ornamental and the fruit is eaten only by monkeys in its original home of.....?! The leaves look similar to some form of Magnolia and Ray heard someone tell his friends that's what it is - but it isn't. Is it? ;-)) I have one grown from seed that was sent to me by a lover in Australia - allegedly Moreton Bay Fig, very obviously from leaves and sap a Ficus. I have it in a tub as a sort of overgrown bonsai - it's now about 25 years old. Leaves are about 8in long, oval, leathery. It chucks out aerial roots from near the base, and the trunk is quite thickened at the base - in fact it looks just like the F macrophylla images on the web. Apparently it is growing outside at Tresco. Usher "A dictionary of plants used by man" lists 86 speces of Ficus which have a use, but F macrophylla is not among them, which suggests it is purely ornamental. -- Kay |
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Dave Poole writes
It appears to be more cool tolerant than Ficus elastica and may even cope with being grown out of doors in the mildest regions of the UK. I received a seedling from a strain that is supposedly cold tolerant and it has grown away quite well this summer. It has coped with our winter far. Fingers crossed. Mine copes with temperatures down to 0 deg C in a slightly heated greenhouse. It likes to be watered throughout winter - droops its leaves if it gets too dry. "Plants for a future" lists it as being OK outside in Tresco but thinks it's unlikely to survive on mainland. It's attractive to scale insect, but otherwise isn't troubled by pests. -- Kay |
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says... I have one grown from seed that was sent to me by a lover in Australia :~) -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:37:56 +0000, K wrote:
I have one grown from seed that was sent to me by a lover in Australia - How sad - what a long way to be parted from your lover. |
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Fuschia writes
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:37:56 +0000, K wrote: I have one grown from seed that was sent to me by a lover in Australia - How sad - what a long way to be parted from your lover. It was only a few months, and we've been together ever since :-) -- Kay |
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On 16/12/08 10:37, in article , "K"
wrote: Sacha writes Nice to be home but returning with a query. In a small public park in Devonport near Auckland, NZ, we saw a tree that is entirely new to us called (I think) Morton Bay fig. This seems to be Ficus macrophylla but is this the same tree? Can any Kiwis confirm that ID? We were told it's ornamental and the fruit is eaten only by monkeys in its original home of.....?! The leaves look similar to some form of Magnolia and Ray heard someone tell his friends that's what it is - but it isn't. Is it? ;-)) I have one grown from seed that was sent to me by a lover in Australia - allegedly Moreton Bay Fig, very obviously from leaves and sap a Ficus. I have it in a tub as a sort of overgrown bonsai - it's now about 25 years old. Leaves are about 8in long, oval, leathery. It chucks out aerial roots from near the base, and the trunk is quite thickened at the base - in fact it looks just like the F macrophylla images on the web. Apparently it is growing outside at Tresco. I must ask Mike Nelhams about that because we don't recall seeing it there. Usher "A dictionary of plants used by man" lists 86 speces of Ficus which have a use, but F macrophylla is not among them, which suggests it is purely ornamental. Many thanks for this, Kate. Glad to read in your later post that you held onto this personal of taste and discernment who sent you the seeds...... ;-)) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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just some general advice for all, it's root system is just as rampant
and invasive as the f.elastica's, keep as pot culture they do very well no need to repot when root bound root ball pruning to allow for fresh potting mix is all that is needed. snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len & bev -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
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On 16 Dec, 17:44, Sacha wrote:
On 16/12/08 04:48, in article , "Dave Poole" wrote: On Dec 16, 2:40*am, Sacha wrote: Nice to be home but returning with a query. *In a small public park in Devonport near Auckland, NZ, we saw a tree that is entirely new to us called (I think) Morton Bay fig. *This seems to be Ficus macrophylla but is this the same tree? *Can any Kiwis confirm that ID? *We were told it's ornamental and the fruit is eaten only by monkeys in its original home of.....?! *The leaves look similar to some form of Magnolia and Ray heard someone tell his friends that's what it is - but it isn't. *Is it? *;-)) -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) Good to see you back, hope you both had a great time. *The Moreton Bay fig is widespread throughout Australasia and can develop into a huge banyan, with roots growing down from the branches and developing into supporting, trunk-like, 'stilt roots' in time. *The foliage of adult trees is somewhat similar in shape to that of evergreen magnolias, but is deep glossy green with paler green undersides and the typical ficus bud sheath is present at all shoot tips. *In cooler climates, it does not achieve the massive proportions of those growing in N. Queensland and the Northern Territories, but it can still become an impressive tree. *I understand it is also grown in S. California, although as a 'street tree' it can cause problems. Thanks for the welcome and the info, David. *The holiday was just brilliant! But these trees were huge, very old and with massive root systems as well as the aerial roots you describe. *The latter had been guided into protective pipes to keep them safe from those who might be tempted to swing on them. It makes a very handsome 'pot plant' in this country and was widely offered here during the 1970s. *It proved to be a better behaved 'rubber plant' than the more conventional Ficus elastica, branching readily and developing into a more balanced specimen. *For some reason it didn't 'catch on' and had all but disappeared by the early 1980s. It appears to be more cool tolerant than Ficus elastica and may even cope with being grown out of doors in the mildest regions of the UK. I received a seedling from a strain that is supposedly cold tolerant and it has grown away quite well this summer. *It has coped with our winter so far. *Fingers crossed. When and if yours has babies, please think of us!! -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Welcome back Sacha, we have missed you. Judith |
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On 16 Dec, 21:24, Martin wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:09:06 -0800 (PIST), Judith in France wrote: On 16 Dec, 17:44, Sacha wrote: Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Welcome back Sacha, we have missed you. Welcome back both of you! -- Martin Aah bless, thank you Martin, I am in London. The weather at home in France is dire, my husband has been snowed in! I am going to buy seeds this week to take back as I don't think the French ones are as good with labelling and they are very expensive. Happy Christmas Martin to you and Yours. Judith |
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On 16/12/08 21:09, in article
, "Judith in France" wrote: snip Welcome back Sacha, we have missed you. Judith Thanks, Judith, that's very kind. It was a fantastic trip but it's very good to be home too! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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On 16/12/08 21:24, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:09:06 -0800 (PIST), Judith in France wrote: On 16 Dec, 17:44, Sacha wrote: Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Welcome back Sacha, we have missed you. Welcome back both of you! Thanks, Martin. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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"Sacha" wrote in message
Nice to be home but returning with a query. In a small public park in Devonport near Auckland, NZ, we saw a tree that is entirely new to us called (I think) Morton Bay fig. This seems to be Ficus macrophylla but is this the same tree? Can any Kiwis confirm that ID? We were told it's ornamental and the fruit is eaten only by monkeys in its original home of.....?! The leaves look similar to some form of Magnolia and Ray heard someone tell his friends that's what it is - but it isn't. Is it? ;-)) If the fruit is eaten by monkeys, then I doubt that it would be a Moreton Bay Fig (note spelling of Moreton) because there are no monkeys in Australia (at least not the non human type monkeys). The Moreton Bay Fig gets it's name from the bay in Brisbane. It's humungeous. The fruit is edible apparently and was bush tucker for Aboringinals. Don't bother going here unless you're really keen as I'll retype what it says ( http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:...lnk&cd=8&gl=au ) "Moreton Bay fig (ficus macrophylla and Port Jackson Fig (Ficus rubiginosa) - fruit eaten when ripe, milky sap used to cover wounds, while the bark was used to produce string for dillybags and nets, the wood was used for shields and canoes." There are other edible figs such as the Sandpaper fig, the Rock fig, etc. What did it look like? |
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On 17/12/08 03:12, in article
, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message Nice to be home but returning with a query. In a small public park in Devonport near Auckland, NZ, we saw a tree that is entirely new to us called (I think) Morton Bay fig. This seems to be Ficus macrophylla but is this the same tree? Can any Kiwis confirm that ID? We were told it's ornamental and the fruit is eaten only by monkeys in its original home of.....?! The leaves look similar to some form of Magnolia and Ray heard someone tell his friends that's what it is - but it isn't. Is it? ;-)) If the fruit is eaten by monkeys, then I doubt that it would be a Moreton Bay Fig (note spelling of Moreton) because there are no monkeys in Australia (at least not the non human type monkeys). The woman that owned the last place we stayed in is English but has lived in NZ for about 20 years. In the 'helpful literature' booklet she called it that. I can't remember if it was she who said the bit about the monkeys or someone else living in Devonport. The Moreton Bay Fig gets it's name from the bay in Brisbane. It's humungeous. The fruit is edible apparently and was bush tucker for Aboringinals. Don't bother going here unless you're really keen as I'll retype what it says ( http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:...e.edu.au/schoo l/curric/stage4_5/nativeplants/native_plants.ppt+%22ficus+rubiginosa%22+fruit& hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=au ) Thanks for all that! I had no idea how many of those things had some food or medicinal value. "Moreton Bay fig (ficus macrophylla and Port Jackson Fig (Ficus rubiginosa) - fruit eaten when ripe, milky sap used to cover wounds, while the bark was used to produce string for dillybags and nets, the wood was used for shields and canoes." There are other edible figs such as the Sandpaper fig, the Rock fig, etc. What did it look like? Here are 3 pics Ray took: http://i43.tinypic.com/211q5qb.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/14k9oit.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/1zqeet3.jpg -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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"Sacha" wrote in message 01.iinet.net.au,
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: What did it look like? Here are 3 pics Ray took: http://i43.tinypic.com/211q5qb.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/14k9oit.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/1zqeet3.jpg You might also try posting those pics to the aus.gardens group and asking there. As the first pic was downloading, there was a lot of detail of the trunk and there was a section of the trunk that had that flowing aerial root downdrooping strangler look to it that some of the fig family has and in fact one of the Moreton Bay forms IIRC. I don't know much about figs as they won't grow in my area but some of the Oz groups people do live in hotter climes and one of them is very knowledegable about all things plant related so it might be worth your while asking there. |
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On 17/12/08 23:28, in article
, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message 01.iinet.net.au, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: What did it look like? Here are 3 pics Ray took: http://i43.tinypic.com/211q5qb.jpg http://i44.tinypic.com/14k9oit.jpg http://i43.tinypic.com/1zqeet3.jpg You might also try posting those pics to the aus.gardens group and asking there. As the first pic was downloading, there was a lot of detail of the trunk and there was a section of the trunk that had that flowing aerial root downdrooping strangler look to it that some of the fig family has and in fact one of the Moreton Bay forms IIRC. I don't know much about figs as they won't grow in my area but some of the Oz groups people do live in hotter climes and one of them is very knowledegable about all things plant related so it might be worth your while asking there. Thanks for all that. I'm not going to bother them because the people living around there were content that this is what this tree is and because we're not likely to grow it in the garden here! What struck us at first was the similarity to its leaves and some magnolia types. It's a beautiful tree and the size of these was amazing. I imagine its growth in UK would be a bit like that of Callistemons - in NZ we saw specimens of those that were at least 15 to 20 feet tall. For a second or three I didn't quite realise what I was looking at! And as for the lupins........we're told they're pestiferous weeds there but when you see yellow tree lupins growing wild on the side of the roads for miles and miles and drive past 3 miles of valley filled with Russell lupins of every hue it's hard to think of them as anything but a glory. Their scent filled our car and we were enchanted by them. And then there's the Cytisus which has run mad everywhere and the dog roses, too. What a wonderful place! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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Just had a look at the pics Sacha. While No.2 shows what appears to
be typical Ficus macrophylla trunk and 'butressing', the foliage and fruits in No.3 are not F. macrophylla. I've had a ferret about and found this pic of typical fruiting macrophylla material: http://plantarium.files.wordpress.co...acrophylla.jpg You can see that foliage and fruits are significantly different. I don't know what No.3 is, but I do know it isn't Ficus macrophylla. |
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On 19/12/08 01:20, in article
, "Dave Poole" wrote: Just had a look at the pics Sacha. While No.2 shows what appears to be typical Ficus macrophylla trunk and 'butressing', the foliage and fruits in No.3 are not F. macrophylla. I've had a ferret about and found this pic of typical fruiting macrophylla material: http://plantarium.files.wordpress.co...acrophylla.jpg You can see that foliage and fruits are significantly different. I don't know what No.3 is, but I do know it isn't Ficus macrophylla. Thanks, David, though the mystery deepens! Perhaps someone from Australia or NZ will see this. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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On 19/12/08 11:50, in article ,
"Sacha" wrote: On 19/12/08 01:20, in article , "Dave Poole" wrote: Just had a look at the pics Sacha. While No.2 shows what appears to be typical Ficus macrophylla trunk and 'butressing', the foliage and fruits in No.3 are not F. macrophylla. I've had a ferret about and found this pic of typical fruiting macrophylla material: http://plantarium.files.wordpress.co...acrophylla.jpg You can see that foliage and fruits are significantly different. I don't know what No.3 is, but I do know it isn't Ficus macrophylla. Thanks, David, though the mystery deepens! Perhaps someone from Australia or NZ will see this. Many apologies, I've just realised that the fruit pic is NOT the one Ray took of the Moreton Bay figs! It was a hedge of some sort down on King Edward Parade in Devonport, right outside the sailing club, just in case that helps anyone to ID it We took hundreds of photos of various things and I've muddled those up! The fruits we saw on the Moreton Bay Fig are exactly as your pic shows them. Now all I need to find out is what those 'incorrect' fruits really are! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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-- .. "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 19/12/08 11:50, in article , "Sacha" wrote: On 19/12/08 01:20, in article , "Dave Poole" wrote: Just had a look at the pics Sacha. While No.2 shows what appears to be typical Ficus macrophylla trunk and 'butressing', the foliage and fruits in No.3 are not F. macrophylla. I've had a ferret about and found this pic of typical fruiting macrophylla material: http://plantarium.files.wordpress.co...acrophylla.jpg You can see that foliage and fruits are significantly different. I don't know what No.3 is, but I do know it isn't Ficus macrophylla. Thanks, David, though the mystery deepens! Perhaps someone from Australia or NZ will see this. Many apologies, I've just realised that the fruit pic is NOT the one Ray took of the Moreton Bay figs! It was a hedge of some sort down on King Edward Parade in Devonport, right outside the sailing club, just in case that helps anyone to ID it We took hundreds of photos of various things and I've muddled those up! The fruits we saw on the Moreton Bay Fig are exactly as your pic shows them. Now all I need to find out is what those 'incorrect' fruits really are! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) Bit of advice re photos and their identity if I may. Whilst I am cruising, I take a lot of photos. We are just about to go on a half world cruise from Southampton cruising to Singapore. The secret is to down load your photos every night onto your laptop and let them download to the date, then when you recall them, you can see where you are, even to the time as that is recorded on the file. I have since August 20th, been recording in photographs, the local theatre's production of "The Snow Queen", Final Night tonight. I can look back and I know what and where the photos were taken by the date/time. The reading, Auditions, Rehearsals, Technical, Dress etc etc etc. Somewhere just under 3000 photos and I know EXACTLY which one fits where, because I have the Director's Rehearsal schedule. I hope that helps. No more confused photos of fruit which you think is 'this' and turns out to be 'that' :-))) Mike |
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-- .. "'Mike'" wrote in message ... -- . "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 19/12/08 11:50, in article , "Sacha" wrote: On 19/12/08 01:20, in article , "Dave Poole" wrote: Just had a look at the pics Sacha. While No.2 shows what appears to be typical Ficus macrophylla trunk and 'butressing', the foliage and fruits in No.3 are not F. macrophylla. I've had a ferret about and found this pic of typical fruiting macrophylla material: http://plantarium.files.wordpress.co...acrophylla.jpg You can see that foliage and fruits are significantly different. I don't know what No.3 is, but I do know it isn't Ficus macrophylla. Thanks, David, though the mystery deepens! Perhaps someone from Australia or NZ will see this. Many apologies, I've just realised that the fruit pic is NOT the one Ray took of the Moreton Bay figs! It was a hedge of some sort down on King Edward Parade in Devonport, right outside the sailing club, just in case that helps anyone to ID it We took hundreds of photos of various things and I've muddled those up! The fruits we saw on the Moreton Bay Fig are exactly as your pic shows them. Now all I need to find out is what those 'incorrect' fruits really are! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) Bit of advice re photos and their identity if I may. Whilst I am cruising, I take a lot of photos. We are just about to go on a half world cruise from Southampton cruising to Singapore. The secret is to down load your photos every night onto your laptop and let them download to the date, then when you recall them, you can see where you are, even to the time as that is recorded on the file. I have since August 20th, been recording in photographs, the local theatre's production of "The Snow Queen", Final Night tonight. I can look back and I know what and where the photos were taken by the date/time. The reading, Auditions, Rehearsals, Technical, Dress etc etc etc. Somewhere just under 3000 photos and I know EXACTLY which one fits where, because I have the Director's Rehearsal schedule. I hope that helps. No more confused photos of fruit which you think is 'this' and turns out to be 'that' :-))) Mike http://www.apollo-theatre.org.uk/ for those interested :-) |
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On 20/12/08 10:40, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: Bit of advice re photos and their identity if I may. Whilst I am cruising, I take a lot of photos. We are just about to go on a half world cruise from Southampton cruising to Singapore. The secret is to down load your photos every night onto your laptop and let them download to the date, then when you recall them, you can see where you are, even to the time as that is recorded on the file. Most digital cameras record the date, time, camera settings of each photo taken. Tools for managing these photos, for example Picasa 3, Nikon View etc., allow you to display this information with each photo. Laptops on holiday? I don't think so! Reminds me of the poser on the plane from Bangkok to London. He spent hours tapping away at a laptop and Blackberry and simultaneously laughing at Friends on the in-flight screen! And yes, Ray's camera does record the details you mention, Martin. What it is, as yet, unable to do is identify plants by name. ;-) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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In article ,
says... On 20/12/08 10:40, in article , "Martin" wrote: Bit of advice re photos and their identity if I may. Whilst I am cruising, I take a lot of photos. We are just about to go on a half world cruise from Southampton cruising to Singapore. The secret is to down load your photos every night onto your laptop and let them download to the date, then when you recall them, you can see where you are, even to the time as that is recorded on the file. Most digital cameras record the date, time, camera settings of each photo taken. Tools for managing these photos, for example Picasa 3, Nikon View etc., allow you to display this information with each photo. Laptops on holiday? I don't think so! Reminds me of the poser on the plane from Bangkok to London. He spent hours tapping away at a laptop and Blackberry and simultaneously laughing at Friends on the in-flight screen! And yes, Ray's camera does record the details you mention, Martin. What it is, as yet, unable to do is identify plants by name. ;-) I thought a pro we had photographing the garden this summer had it cracked as she could speak into her camara as she took the pictures, but I still got the customary email to ID a few things and correct still more, my fault, I often attach Clematis labels to the tree or shrub they are growing on as it never occures to me someone would be unable to tell what clematis don't look like! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On 20/12/08 13:11, in article
, "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... snip Laptops on holiday? I don't think so! Reminds me of the poser on the plane from Bangkok to London. He spent hours tapping away at a laptop and Blackberry and simultaneously laughing at Friends on the in-flight screen! And yes, Ray's camera does record the details you mention, Martin. What it is, as yet, unable to do is identify plants by name. ;-) I thought a pro we had photographing the garden this summer had it cracked as she could speak into her camara as she took the pictures, but I still got the customary email to ID a few things and correct still more, my fault, I often attach Clematis labels to the tree or shrub they are growing on as it never occures to me someone would be unable to tell what clematis don't look like! Ray can do that speaking thing with his camera but he always forgets to do it! Of course, if you're photographing something so that someone else can - you hope - ID it later, you can talk until you're blue in the face and get nowhere! As we photographed both the Moreton Bay fig and the mystery fruit on the same day so both photos show the same date and very close times, nothing other than a pocket sized NZ plant expert would have helped much more! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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On 20/12/08 16:18, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 15:04:20 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 20/12/08 13:11, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... snip Laptops on holiday? I don't think so! Reminds me of the poser on the plane from Bangkok to London. He spent hours tapping away at a laptop and Blackberry and simultaneously laughing at Friends on the in-flight screen! And yes, Ray's camera does record the details you mention, Martin. What it is, as yet, unable to do is identify plants by name. ;-) I thought a pro we had photographing the garden this summer had it cracked as she could speak into her camara as she took the pictures, but I still got the customary email to ID a few things and correct still more, my fault, I often attach Clematis labels to the tree or shrub they are growing on as it never occures to me someone would be unable to tell what clematis don't look like! Ray can do that speaking thing with his camera but he always forgets to do it! Of course, if you're photographing something so that someone else can - you hope - ID it later, you can talk until you're blue in the face and get nowhere! As we photographed both the Moreton Bay fig and the mystery fruit on the same day so both photos show the same date and very close times, nothing other than a pocket sized NZ plant expert would have helped much more! Some more weird trees here. http://seehere.blogspot.com/2006/10/...que-trees.html I got the following msg: Page not found Sorry, the page you were looking for in the blog Look At This... does not exist. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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On 20/12/08 23:36, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: snip Can you see these photos of trees? http://bp3.blogger.com/_4wnOqNnF8oc/...8gF3E24/s400/2 .jpg http://bp2.blogger.com/_4wnOqNnF8oc/...EdfyL9s/s400/5 .jpg Yes, got it as a jpg download. It's a baobab - very weird looking thing but a wonderful example of nature at work! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed:
On 19/12/08 11:50, in article , "Sacha" wrote: On 19/12/08 01:20, in article , "Dave Poole" wrote: Just had a look at the pics Sacha. While No.2 shows what appears to be typical Ficus macrophylla trunk and 'butressing', the foliage and fruits in No.3 are not F. macrophylla. I've had a ferret about and found this pic of typical fruiting macrophylla material: http://plantarium.files.wordpress.co...acrophylla.jpg You can see that foliage and fruits are significantly different. I don't know what No.3 is, but I do know it isn't Ficus macrophylla. Thanks, David, though the mystery deepens! Perhaps someone from Australia or NZ will see this. Many apologies, I've just realised that the fruit pic is NOT the one Ray took of the Moreton Bay figs! It was a hedge of some sort down on King Edward Parade in Devonport, right outside the sailing club, just in case that helps anyone to ID it We took hundreds of photos of various things and I've muddled those up! The fruits we saw on the Moreton Bay Fig are exactly as your pic shows them. Now all I need to find out is what those 'incorrect' fruits really are! Hi Sacha, I'm pleased to hear you enjoyed your holiday here. :-) There used to be a Moreton Bay Fig tree in my parents garden. I bought the "Rubber Plant" for mum as a mother's day gift and, when it got too big for growing inside she planted it out. However, about 15 years later it got to be too big for the garden too so had to be felled. I've studied the fruits in the other pic and, sorry, I can't help you with identifying them. Then again, I certainly don't profess to be an expert, far from it in fact. ;-) Cheers, -- Shaun. |
Morton Bay fig
On 27/12/08 00:36, in article , "~misfit~"
wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: On 19/12/08 11:50, in article , "Sacha" wrote: On 19/12/08 01:20, in article , "Dave Poole" wrote: Just had a look at the pics Sacha. While No.2 shows what appears to be typical Ficus macrophylla trunk and 'butressing', the foliage and fruits in No.3 are not F. macrophylla. I've had a ferret about and found this pic of typical fruiting macrophylla material: http://plantarium.files.wordpress.co...acrophylla.jpg You can see that foliage and fruits are significantly different. I don't know what No.3 is, but I do know it isn't Ficus macrophylla. Thanks, David, though the mystery deepens! Perhaps someone from Australia or NZ will see this. Many apologies, I've just realised that the fruit pic is NOT the one Ray took of the Moreton Bay figs! It was a hedge of some sort down on King Edward Parade in Devonport, right outside the sailing club, just in case that helps anyone to ID it We took hundreds of photos of various things and I've muddled those up! The fruits we saw on the Moreton Bay Fig are exactly as your pic shows them. Now all I need to find out is what those 'incorrect' fruits really are! Hi Sacha, I'm pleased to hear you enjoyed your holiday here. :-) There used to be a Moreton Bay Fig tree in my parents garden. I bought the "Rubber Plant" for mum as a mother's day gift and, when it got too big for growing inside she planted it out. However, about 15 years later it got to be too big for the garden too so had to be felled. Rubber plant definitely strikes a chord because we looked at these and saw a similarity immediately. They are superb trees in Flagstaff Terrace, Devonport. I've studied the fruits in the other pic and, sorry, I can't help you with identifying them. Then again, I certainly don't profess to be an expert, far from it in fact. ;-) Cheers, I wish I could find out what they are, just out of curiosity. Nobody seems to have any idea. I don't think they can be that rare or unusual because they were on a hedge by the sailing club, bordering a road, not tucked away in some exotic botanic garden. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
Morton Bay fig
Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed:
On 27/12/08 00:36, in article , "~misfit~" wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: On 19/12/08 11:50, in article , "Sacha" wrote: On 19/12/08 01:20, in article , "Dave Poole" wrote: Just had a look at the pics Sacha. While No.2 shows what appears to be typical Ficus macrophylla trunk and 'butressing', the foliage and fruits in No.3 are not F. macrophylla. I've had a ferret about and found this pic of typical fruiting macrophylla material: http://plantarium.files.wordpress.co...acrophylla.jpg You can see that foliage and fruits are significantly different. I don't know what No.3 is, but I do know it isn't Ficus macrophylla. Thanks, David, though the mystery deepens! Perhaps someone from Australia or NZ will see this. Many apologies, I've just realised that the fruit pic is NOT the one Ray took of the Moreton Bay figs! It was a hedge of some sort down on King Edward Parade in Devonport, right outside the sailing club, just in case that helps anyone to ID it We took hundreds of photos of various things and I've muddled those up! The fruits we saw on the Moreton Bay Fig are exactly as your pic shows them. Now all I need to find out is what those 'incorrect' fruits really are! Hi Sacha, I'm pleased to hear you enjoyed your holiday here. :-) There used to be a Moreton Bay Fig tree in my parents garden. I bought the "Rubber Plant" for mum as a mother's day gift and, when it got too big for growing inside she planted it out. However, about 15 years later it got to be too big for the garden too so had to be felled. Rubber plant definitely strikes a chord because we looked at these and saw a similarity immediately. They are superb trees in Flagstaff Terrace, Devonport. I've studied the fruits in the other pic and, sorry, I can't help you with identifying them. Then again, I certainly don't profess to be an expert, far from it in fact. ;-) I wish I could find out what they are, just out of curiosity. Nobody seems to have any idea. I don't think they can be that rare or unusual because they were on a hedge by the sailing club, bordering a road, not tucked away in some exotic botanic garden. Sacha, I've asked in a NZ group (and linked to your pic) and have been asked what sailing club they were near as apparently there are several clubs on Auckland's North Shore and a debate as to what the plant is. Cheers, -- Shaun. |
Morton Bay fig
On 28/12/08 11:55, in article , "~misfit~"
wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: snip I've studied the fruits in the other pic and, sorry, I can't help you with identifying them. Then again, I certainly don't profess to be an expert, far from it in fact. ;-) I wish I could find out what they are, just out of curiosity. Nobody seems to have any idea. I don't think they can be that rare or unusual because they were on a hedge by the sailing club, bordering a road, not tucked away in some exotic botanic garden. Sacha, I've asked in a NZ group (and linked to your pic) and have been asked what sailing club they were near as apparently there are several clubs on Auckland's North Shore and a debate as to what the plant is. Cheers, The Devonport Sailing Club. It's on King Edward Parade and outside it has several boats with their histories and a plaque to Peter Blake (one-time skipper of Lion) the famous NZ yottie. AFAIR the hedge was right near the entrance to part of the Club. In fact, we asked one of the members going out to his car what the hedge was but he couldn't help us. Many thanks for trying to resolve this one for us. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
Morton Bay fig
Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed:
On 28/12/08 11:55, in article , "~misfit~" wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: snip I've studied the fruits in the other pic and, sorry, I can't help you with identifying them. Then again, I certainly don't profess to be an expert, far from it in fact. ;-) I wish I could find out what they are, just out of curiosity. Nobody seems to have any idea. I don't think they can be that rare or unusual because they were on a hedge by the sailing club, bordering a road, not tucked away in some exotic botanic garden. Sacha, I've asked in a NZ group (and linked to your pic) and have been asked what sailing club they were near as apparently there are several clubs on Auckland's North Shore and a debate as to what the plant is. Cheers, The Devonport Sailing Club. It's on King Edward Parade and outside it has several boats with their histories and a plaque to Peter Blake (one-time skipper of Lion) the famous NZ yottie. AFAIR the hedge was right near the entrance to part of the Club. In fact, we asked one of the members going out to his car what the hedge was but he couldn't help us. Many thanks for trying to resolve this one for us. I've relayed the info to a fairly planty person on Auckland's North Shore. We shall see..... Cheers, -- Shaun. |
Morton Bay fig
Somewhere on teh intarwebs "~misfit~" typed:
Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: On 28/12/08 11:55, in article , "~misfit~" wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: snip I've studied the fruits in the other pic and, sorry, I can't help you with identifying them. Then again, I certainly don't profess to be an expert, far from it in fact. ;-) I wish I could find out what they are, just out of curiosity. Nobody seems to have any idea. I don't think they can be that rare or unusual because they were on a hedge by the sailing club, bordering a road, not tucked away in some exotic botanic garden. Sacha, I've asked in a NZ group (and linked to your pic) and have been asked what sailing club they were near as apparently there are several clubs on Auckland's North Shore and a debate as to what the plant is. The Devonport Sailing Club. It's on King Edward Parade and outside it has several boats with their histories and a plaque to Peter Blake (one-time skipper of Lion) the famous NZ yottie. AFAIR the hedge was right near the entrance to part of the Club. In fact, we asked one of the members going out to his car what the hedge was but he couldn't help us. Many thanks for trying to resolve this one for us. I've relayed the info to a fairly planty person on Auckland's North Shore. We shall see..... Ok, the person who was trying to find out for us visited the North Shore and couldn't find the plant in question (asked if you meant Devonport *Yacht* club?) and in the end sent your pic to a local gardening consultant of their acquiantence. The reply was: "It is Ficus pumila a commonly grown climbing fig" I just did a quick Google image search for "ficus pumila fruit" and I didn't find fruit identical to those in your pic but I found pics of green ones the same shape: http://www.toptropicals.com/html/top...d/nursery1.htm http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty...ic_pum_mid.jpg http://flickr.com/photos/30628871@N00/10438699 Hope that helps Sacha. Happy new year. :-) -- Shaun. |
Morton Bay fig
On 29/12/08 23:01, in article , "~misfit~"
wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "~misfit~" typed: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: On 28/12/08 11:55, in article , "~misfit~" wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: snip I've studied the fruits in the other pic and, sorry, I can't help you with identifying them. Then again, I certainly don't profess to be an expert, far from it in fact. ;-) I wish I could find out what they are, just out of curiosity. Nobody seems to have any idea. I don't think they can be that rare or unusual because they were on a hedge by the sailing club, bordering a road, not tucked away in some exotic botanic garden. Sacha, I've asked in a NZ group (and linked to your pic) and have been asked what sailing club they were near as apparently there are several clubs on Auckland's North Shore and a debate as to what the plant is. The Devonport Sailing Club. It's on King Edward Parade and outside it has several boats with their histories and a plaque to Peter Blake (one-time skipper of Lion) the famous NZ yottie. AFAIR the hedge was right near the entrance to part of the Club. In fact, we asked one of the members going out to his car what the hedge was but he couldn't help us. Many thanks for trying to resolve this one for us. I've relayed the info to a fairly planty person on Auckland's North Shore. We shall see..... Ok, the person who was trying to find out for us visited the North Shore and couldn't find the plant in question (asked if you meant Devonport *Yacht* club?) and in the end sent your pic to a local gardening consultant of their acquiantence. The reply was: "It is Ficus pumila a commonly grown climbing fig" I just did a quick Google image search for "ficus pumila fruit" and I didn't find fruit identical to those in your pic but I found pics of green ones the same shape: http://www.toptropicals.com/html/top...d/nursery1.htm http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty...ic_pum_mid.jpg http://flickr.com/photos/30628871@N00/10438699 Hope that helps Sacha. Happy new year. :-) Many thanks, it helps indeed. It must be yacht club, I think but it was the only one in that vicinity. And the fruit looks very similar though this was grown as a hedge, not a climbing plant. It's kind of you and your friend to go to such trouble - please will you thank him or her for me? I'm really glad to have tracked that down - it's like an uncomfortable itch until one does! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
Morton Bay fig
On Dec 29, 11:12*pm, Sacha wrote:
The reply was: "It is Ficus pumila a commonly grown climbing fig" [snip] Many thanks, it helps indeed. *It must be yacht club, I think but it was the only one in that vicinity. *And the fruit looks very similar though this was grown as a hedge, not a climbing plant. Ficus pumila and F. radicans have juvenile and adult (arborescent) forms in much the same way as Ivy and Euonymus japonica. Cuttings taken of adult growth will remain shrubby with the larger leaves and could be used as a hedge. We never see the adult phases of these Ficus in the UK, which is my excuse for not recognising something I've used as groundcover here! |
Morton Bay fig
On 30/12/08 00:05, in article
, "Dave Poole" wrote: On Dec 29, 11:12*pm, Sacha wrote: The reply was: "It is Ficus pumila a commonly grown climbing fig" [snip] Many thanks, it helps indeed. *It must be yacht club, I think but it was the only one in that vicinity. *And the fruit looks very similar though this was grown as a hedge, not a climbing plant. Ficus pumila and F. radicans have juvenile and adult (arborescent) forms in much the same way as Ivy and Euonymus japonica. Cuttings taken of adult growth will remain shrubby with the larger leaves and could be used as a hedge. We never see the adult phases of these Ficus in the UK, which is my excuse for not recognising something I've used as groundcover here! Thanks, Dave. All that explains a lot, I must say. The leaves were faintly familiar to us but - we realise now - were mildly chlorotic and of course, the fruit was totally unknown though very attractive. They were fully ripe so in NZ I imagine it's one of those autumn fruits because we saw it around 11 December and 1 December is the official start of summer there, we were told. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
Morton Bay fig
Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed:
On 29/12/08 23:01, in article , "~misfit~" wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "~misfit~" typed: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: On 28/12/08 11:55, in article , "~misfit~" wrote: Somewhere on teh intarwebs "Sacha" typed: snip I've studied the fruits in the other pic and, sorry, I can't help you with identifying them. Then again, I certainly don't profess to be an expert, far from it in fact. ;-) I wish I could find out what they are, just out of curiosity. Nobody seems to have any idea. I don't think they can be that rare or unusual because they were on a hedge by the sailing club, bordering a road, not tucked away in some exotic botanic garden. Sacha, I've asked in a NZ group (and linked to your pic) and have been asked what sailing club they were near as apparently there are several clubs on Auckland's North Shore and a debate as to what the plant is. The Devonport Sailing Club. It's on King Edward Parade and outside it has several boats with their histories and a plaque to Peter Blake (one-time skipper of Lion) the famous NZ yottie. AFAIR the hedge was right near the entrance to part of the Club. In fact, we asked one of the members going out to his car what the hedge was but he couldn't help us. Many thanks for trying to resolve this one for us. I've relayed the info to a fairly planty person on Auckland's North Shore. We shall see..... Ok, the person who was trying to find out for us visited the North Shore and couldn't find the plant in question (asked if you meant Devonport *Yacht* club?) and in the end sent your pic to a local gardening consultant of their acquiantence. The reply was: "It is Ficus pumila a commonly grown climbing fig" I just did a quick Google image search for "ficus pumila fruit" and I didn't find fruit identical to those in your pic but I found pics of green ones the same shape: http://www.toptropicals.com/html/top...d/nursery1.htm http://www.botany.hawaii.edu/faculty...ic_pum_mid.jpg http://flickr.com/photos/30628871@N00/10438699 Hope that helps Sacha. Happy new year. :-) Many thanks, it helps indeed. It must be yacht club, I think but it was the only one in that vicinity. And the fruit looks very similar though this was grown as a hedge, not a climbing plant. It's kind of you and your friend to go to such trouble - please will you thank him or her for me? I'm really glad to have tracked that down - it's like an uncomfortable itch until one does! You're very welcome, I'm pleased to help. I'll pass on your thanks. Cheers, -- Shaun. |
Morton Bay fig
On 30/12/08 07:39, in article ,
"Sacha" wrote: On 30/12/08 00:05, in article , "Dave Poole" wrote: On Dec 29, 11:12*pm, Sacha wrote: The reply was: "It is Ficus pumila a commonly grown climbing fig" [snip] Many thanks, it helps indeed. *It must be yacht club, I think but it was the only one in that vicinity. *And the fruit looks very similar though this was grown as a hedge, not a climbing plant. Ficus pumila and F. radicans have juvenile and adult (arborescent) forms in much the same way as Ivy and Euonymus japonica. Cuttings taken of adult growth will remain shrubby with the larger leaves and could be used as a hedge. We never see the adult phases of these Ficus in the UK, which is my excuse for not recognising something I've used as groundcover here! Thanks, Dave. All that explains a lot, I must say. The leaves were faintly familiar to us but - we realise now - were mildly chlorotic and of course, the fruit was totally unknown though very attractive. They were fully ripe so in NZ I imagine it's one of those autumn fruits because we saw it around 11 December and 1 December is the official start of summer there, we were told. PS: apologies for following up to myself but I forgot to ask if these fruits are edible. I'm assuming they are? -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon (new website online) |
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