This is the Camellia we just can't get a positive ID on. We know Edward
Hyams planted it, so it's over 50 years old and not a modern hybrid. A
customer thought it looks like the one at Pilnitz but it's much too small a
bush to be that type. If there are some Camellia experts out there who can
have a stab at it, we'd love to get some ideas.
http://i43.tinypic.com/avqy6r.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/33jtn39.jpg

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

"Sacha" wrote
This is the Camellia we just can't get a positive ID on. We know Edward
Hyams planted it, so it's over 50 years old and not a modern hybrid. A
customer thought it looks like the one at Pilnitz but it's much too small
a
bush to be that type. If there are some Camellia experts out there who
can
have a stab at it, we'd love to get some ideas.
http://i43.tinypic.com/avqy6r.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/33jtn39.jpg


This may help...
http://www.hortic.com/ics/index

We have a semi double red that is now a tree and have lost the name too.
--
Regards
Bob Hobden

"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Sacha" wrote
This is the Camellia we just can't get a positive ID on. We know Edward
Hyams planted it, so it's over 50 years old and not a modern hybrid. A
customer thought it looks like the one at Pilnitz but it's much too small
a
bush to be that type. If there are some Camellia experts out there who
can
have a stab at it, we'd love to get some ideas.
http://i43.tinypic.com/avqy6r.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/33jtn39.jpg


This may help...
http://www.hortic.com/ics/index

We have a semi double red that is now a tree and have lost the name too.

The Williamsii hybrid "Cherub" look remarkably like yours BTW.
Soft pink semi double.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 12:34:10 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

This is the Camellia we just can't get a positive ID on. We know Edward
Hyams planted it, so it's over 50 years old and not a modern hybrid. A
customer thought it looks like the one at Pilnitz but it's much too small a
bush to be that type. If there are some Camellia experts out there who can
have a stab at it, we'd love to get some ideas.
http://i43.tinypic.com/avqy6r.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/33jtn39.jpg

It doesn't say much for Hillhouse Nursery if you can't recognise a
plant, does it?

On 31/3/09 17:34, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote
This is the Camellia we just can't get a positive ID on. We know Edward
Hyams planted it, so it's over 50 years old and not a modern hybrid. A
customer thought it looks like the one at Pilnitz but it's much too small
a
bush to be that type. If there are some Camellia experts out there who
can
have a stab at it, we'd love to get some ideas.
http://i43.tinypic.com/avqy6r.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/33jtn39.jpg


This may help...
http://www.hortic.com/ics/index

We have a semi double red that is now a tree and have lost the name too.

So far, no dice with them, Bob but thank you for the link. My outlaws had a
nice Camellia collection themselves and were good friends with two
Presidents of that Society so I've sent photos to a few people involved
there but with no success yet. Last time we saw Liz and Charlie Pridham
they suggested we go to the show at Boconnoc and talk to all the Camellia
experts there but week ends here are just manic at present, so getting away
seems unlikely, although we'd love to. Maybe I'll have to FedEx a branch to
Charlie to take round for me - after all, he has nothing else to do, of
course. ;-)
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

On 31/3/09 17:43, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote:


"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Sacha" wrote
This is the Camellia we just can't get a positive ID on. We know Edward
Hyams planted it, so it's over 50 years old and not a modern hybrid. A
customer thought it looks like the one at Pilnitz but it's much too small
a
bush to be that type. If there are some Camellia experts out there who
can
have a stab at it, we'd love to get some ideas.
http://i43.tinypic.com/avqy6r.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/33jtn39.jpg


This may help...
http://www.hortic.com/ics/index

We have a semi double red that is now a tree and have lost the name too.

The Williamsii hybrid "Cherub" look remarkably like yours BTW.
Soft pink semi double.

Very close indeed. I'd need to see some pics of the growth habit,
apparently. Thanks very much, Bob - I'll look into that one more carefully.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

James P wrote
It doesn't say much for Hillhouse Nursery if you can't recognise a
plant, does it?


Which goes to show how little you know about plants and specifically
camellias, I understand there are over 1,000 williamsii hybrids alone and I
doubt even an expert knows every camellia without cross-referencing.
Now crawl back under your stone before someone pours salt on you.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

On 31/3/09 22:50, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote:


James P wrote
It doesn't say much for Hillhouse Nursery if you can't recognise a
plant, does it?


Which goes to show how little you know about plants and specifically
camellias, I understand there are over 1,000 williamsii hybrids alone and I
doubt even an expert knows every camellia without cross-referencing.
Now crawl back under your stone before someone pours salt on you.

Don't worry, Bob, I've a shrewd idea who this is and they're just as idiotic
as they sound! 'He's' tried this one on before!
--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

On Mar 31, 10:50*pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
James P wrote

It doesn't say much for Hillhouse Nursery if you can't recognise a
plant, does it?

Which goes to show how little you know about plants and specifically
camellias, I understand there are over 1,000 williamsii hybrids alone and I
doubt even an expert knows every camellia without cross-referencing.
Now crawl back under your stone before someone pours salt on you.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

Onya Bob :-)

Judith

On Mar 31, 11:11*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 31/3/09 22:50, in article , "Bob Hobden"

wrote:

James P wrote
It doesn't say much for Hillhouse Nursery if you can't recognise a
plant, does it?

Which goes to show how little you know about plants and specifically
camellias, I understand there are over 1,000 williamsii hybrids alone and I
doubt even an expert knows every camellia without cross-referencing.
Now crawl back under your stone before someone pours salt on you.

Don't worry, Bob, I've a shrewd idea who this is and they're just as idiotic
as they sound! *'He's' tried this one on before!
--
Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

"he???"" Is it the one I am thinking of?

Judith

Bob Hobden wrote (amid a well-worded and much deserved swipe) :

..... I understand there are over 1,000 williamsii hybrids alone ...

I don't think I've given much thought to Camellias for many years, but
it's funny how things suddenly click and cause a flood of memories.
Back in the very early '70s, there was a chappy living near Evesham
who'd become disillusioned with being an accountant and decided to
raise and grow Camellias instead. A brave move because of the time
span involved and as beautiful as they are, Camellias were never at
the forefront of 'Joe Public's' attention unless they were in flower.
IIRC he had quite a few of his own varieties, and he could certainly
grow excellent plants. They were mostly williamsii types and I think
it's fair to say that many were pretty close to existing varieties.
Nevertheless, they were well worth having and several were outstanding
so we sold as many as he could supply.

Anyway, I decided to google just one of the hybrids that I could
remember; C. 'Janie Anderson', which I grew in my Bromsgrove garden
and found that it is still around, being grown at the Duchy nurseries
in Cornwall of all places. Then I discovered that another, 'Elizabeth
Anderson' crops up on several grower's lists and gained an AGM after
being submitted by Trehane nurseries a couple of years ago. I don't
know what happened to David and have just a faint inkling that he
suddenly went off the scene, but it's nice to think that his
enthusiasm and inspiration nearly 40 years ago led to a plant that
looks good today and is likely to be around for many years to come.

"DaveP" wrote after...
Bob Hobden had a go at a fool
..... I understand there are over 1,000 williamsii hybrids alone ...

I don't think I've given much thought to Camellias for many years, but
it's funny how things suddenly click and cause a flood of memories.
Back in the very early '70s, there was a chappy living near Evesham
who'd become disillusioned with being an accountant and decided to
raise and grow Camellias instead. A brave move because of the time
span involved and as beautiful as they are, Camellias were never at
the forefront of 'Joe Public's' attention unless they were in flower.
IIRC he had quite a few of his own varieties, and he could certainly
grow excellent plants. They were mostly williamsii types and I think
it's fair to say that many were pretty close to existing varieties.
Nevertheless, they were well worth having and several were outstanding
so we sold as many as he could supply.

Anyway, I decided to google just one of the hybrids that I could
remember; C. 'Janie Anderson', which I grew in my Bromsgrove garden
and found that it is still around, being grown at the Duchy nurseries
in Cornwall of all places. Then I discovered that another, 'Elizabeth
Anderson' crops up on several grower's lists and gained an AGM after
being submitted by Trehane nurseries a couple of years ago. I don't
know what happened to David and have just a faint inkling that he
suddenly went off the scene, but it's nice to think that his
enthusiasm and inspiration nearly 40 years ago led to a plant that
looks good today and is likely to be around for many years to come.

We got a few from Stonehurst Nursery which was down near Wakehurst Place,
used to be a rather interesting Camellia and Orchid nursery that grew the
camellias from cutting from the local landowners place, so some rare old
varieties. "Madame de Strekaloff" for example, which is one of my
favourites.
Sadly the nursery is no longer with us.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

On 1/4/09 04:05, in article
, "DaveP"
wrote:

Bob Hobden wrote (amid a well-worded and much deserved swipe) :

..... I understand there are over 1,000 williamsii hybrids alone ...

I don't think I've given much thought to Camellias for many years, but
it's funny how things suddenly click and cause a flood of memories.
Back in the very early '70s, there was a chappy living near Evesham
who'd become disillusioned with being an accountant and decided to
raise and grow Camellias instead. A brave move because of the time
span involved and as beautiful as they are, Camellias were never at
the forefront of 'Joe Public's' attention unless they were in flower.
IIRC he had quite a few of his own varieties, and he could certainly
grow excellent plants. They were mostly williamsii types and I think
it's fair to say that many were pretty close to existing varieties.
Nevertheless, they were well worth having and several were outstanding
so we sold as many as he could supply.

I really love Camellias and I'm sure part of it is early associations with
some that grew in our Torquay garden when I was a child and then later, in
our Guernsey garden. My ex fil had a wonderful 'Camellia Walk' and many
other specimens here and there all over the garden - he was a great
enthusiast and it was he who first introduced me to C. sasanqua Narumigata,
that lovely, early flowering, scented white one, when it was still 'rare' in
the Channel Islands. (I'm just astonished at what could be grown in so many
gardens there and isn't!) I think there's a danger of us being almost
complacent about them because we've become so used to them but their flowers
are exquisite and the old one I want to ID flowers for at least a couple of
months.

Anyway, I decided to google just one of the hybrids that I could
remember; C. 'Janie Anderson', which I grew in my Bromsgrove garden
and found that it is still around, being grown at the Duchy nurseries
in Cornwall of all places. Then I discovered that another, 'Elizabeth
Anderson' crops up on several grower's lists and gained an AGM after
being submitted by Trehane nurseries a couple of years ago. I don't
know what happened to David and have just a faint inkling that he
suddenly went off the scene, but it's nice to think that his
enthusiasm and inspiration nearly 40 years ago led to a plant that
looks good today and is likely to be around for many years to come.

Charlie might know. He and Liz were telling us of a garden in Cornwall
where the owner is a great Camellia expert - one of the "Tre's", I think,
so I've forgotten it already - sorry, Charlie Would C. Janie Anderson have
come from Burncoose originally as it's one of the C. williamsii?
I'm trying to find C. nitidissima (formerly C. chrysantha) and Anne Berry
kindly put me in touch with a Camellia expert in Dorsest who is mad about
Camellias and propagates lots of them. He's said that if he succeeds with
this one he'd let me have it but he thinks it's unlikely to flower outdoors
in the British Isles so we'd have to put it in one of the greenhouses.

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

On 1/4/09 08:19, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote:


"DaveP" wrote after...
Bob Hobden had a go at a fool
..... I understand there are over 1,000 williamsii hybrids alone ...

I don't think I've given much thought to Camellias for many years, but
it's funny how things suddenly click and cause a flood of memories.
Back in the very early '70s, there was a chappy living near Evesham
who'd become disillusioned with being an accountant and decided to
raise and grow Camellias instead. A brave move because of the time
span involved and as beautiful as they are, Camellias were never at
the forefront of 'Joe Public's' attention unless they were in flower.
IIRC he had quite a few of his own varieties, and he could certainly
grow excellent plants. They were mostly williamsii types and I think
it's fair to say that many were pretty close to existing varieties.
Nevertheless, they were well worth having and several were outstanding
so we sold as many as he could supply.

Anyway, I decided to google just one of the hybrids that I could
remember; C. 'Janie Anderson', which I grew in my Bromsgrove garden
and found that it is still around, being grown at the Duchy nurseries
in Cornwall of all places. Then I discovered that another, 'Elizabeth
Anderson' crops up on several grower's lists and gained an AGM after
being submitted by Trehane nurseries a couple of years ago. I don't
know what happened to David and have just a faint inkling that he
suddenly went off the scene, but it's nice to think that his
enthusiasm and inspiration nearly 40 years ago led to a plant that
looks good today and is likely to be around for many years to come.

We got a few from Stonehurst Nursery which was down near Wakehurst Place,
used to be a rather interesting Camellia and Orchid nursery that grew the
camellias from cutting from the local landowners place, so some rare old
varieties. "Madame de Strekaloff" for example, which is one of my
favourites.
Sadly the nursery is no longer with us.

I've just looked that one up, Bob. It's absolutely *gorgeous* - like a
little hand tied posy in one flower. I'm going on a hunt for that!

--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online

In article ,
says...
On 31/3/09 17:34, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote:


"Sacha" wrote
This is the Camellia we just can't get a positive ID on. We know Edward
Hyams planted it, so it's over 50 years old and not a modern hybrid. A
customer thought it looks like the one at Pilnitz but it's much too small
a
bush to be that type. If there are some Camellia experts out there who
can
have a stab at it, we'd love to get some ideas.
http://i43.tinypic.com/avqy6r.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/33jtn39.jpg


This may help...
http://www.hortic.com/ics/index

We have a semi double red that is now a tree and have lost the name too.

So far, no dice with them, Bob but thank you for the link. My outlaws had a
nice Camellia collection themselves and were good friends with two
Presidents of that Society so I've sent photos to a few people involved
there but with no success yet. Last time we saw Liz and Charlie Pridham
they suggested we go to the show at Boconnoc and talk to all the Camellia
experts there but week ends here are just manic at present, so getting away
seems unlikely, although we'd love to. Maybe I'll have to FedEx a branch to
Charlie to take round for me - after all, he has nothing else to do, of
course. ;-)

I would do it, if you got it here in time, we will be single handed up
there on Saturday as I try and catch up with clematis cuttings but with
two of us there on Sunday I would be able to take a look, but you really
need someone with a good knowledge to start with and thats not me! The
flower looks like St Ewe but the description of the bush does not, the
only other camellia I have seen that resembles it is Cherub, I am pretty
sure its a Williamsii, your problem may be that the various people your
predecessor was acquainted with often gave away unnamed seedlings so you
may never know!
Having seen you all in action on Sunday I can see why there is no way you
could sneak off at a weekend (long may it continue) its our first day
today and at least its dry, only 2 people last year, still you have to
start sometime :~)
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall
www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea