I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.
Michael

On 2009-06-06 11:09:28 +0100, michael said:

I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.
Michael

Have you written to the Beeb? Viewer feedback is very important if you
want improvements!
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

On 6 June, 11:20, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:17:04 +0100, Sacha wrote:
On 2009-06-06 11:09:28 +0100, michael said:

I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.
Michael

Have you written to the Beeb? *Viewer feedback is very important if you
want improvements!

Have you any evidence that the BBC takes notice of feedback? Most of the POV
programme is spent justifying what the public complain about.
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I have tried to write to the Beeb in the past but with very poor
response.I would be interested to know here whether gardeners on this
Google Group agree that this programme is the worst series ever of
Gardeners World.Given that we are a nation of gardeners,I am surprised
that the media generally aren't given many column inches to the very
poor standard of this programme.
Michael

michael wrote:
I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.
Michael

The wife and me used to be avid viewers of the program when we lived in
England and have seen all presenters from Percy Thrower to Monty Don.
(Favourite was Geoff Hamilton). On our last visit to England in April we
saw the new series and were extremely disappointed with the new
presenters and the quality of the program. The program seems to have
lost its "heart" somehow and seemed little better than those crappy
make-over programmes with a sort of hippy twist.

--
David in Normandy.
To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
by a filter and not reach my inbox.

On 2009-06-06 11:20:28 +0100, Martin said:

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 11:17:04 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 2009-06-06 11:09:28 +0100, michael said:

I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.
Michael

Have you written to the Beeb? Viewer feedback is very important if you
want improvements!

Have you any evidence that the BBC takes notice of feedback? Most of the POV
programme is spent justifying what the public complain about.

Short of knowing the minutes of discussions taking place at the BBC, I
don't really see how one can be sure. But there is no doubt that when
several members of the public complained about the really awful
presenting and producing at Chelsea a few years ago, notice was taken
and things did improve. At present there's a lot of chat going on
about loud music being played over dialogue etc. and it's aroused a
certain amount of press interest, too. The point is that if nothing is
said, and no efforts are made to let them know what the public think
and want then we have only ourselves to blame. It's a bit like not
voting and then complaining about the governments we get, IMO!
--
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

Martin wrote:

If you buy a satellite receiver you can watch BBC in France too, David.
Local Dutch DIY store had a complete Freesat satellite system for less than €70
this week.

So far I've avoided the temptation to get a satellite system with
British telly and frankly there aren't that many programs that I miss.
We have TNT with 18 channels of French television. It is helping us pick
up French. It certainly reinforces every bit of French we learn. It also
helps give us an ear for the French language at natural speed. British
TV would be too tempting - we'd never watch the French channels if we'd
got it.

--
David in Normandy.
To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
by a filter and not reach my inbox.

On 2009-06-06 11:57:18 +0100, David in Normandy
said:

michael wrote:
I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.
Michael

The wife and me used to be avid viewers of the program when we lived in
England and have seen all presenters from Percy Thrower to Monty Don.
(Favourite was Geoff Hamilton). On our last visit to England in April
we saw the new series and were extremely disappointed with the new
presenters and the quality of the program. The program seems to have
lost its "heart" somehow and seemed little better than those crappy
make-over programmes with a sort of hippy twist.

It's fallen into the celeb trap of too many talking heads doing 'zany'
things and not enough hands doing some practical work.
--
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

On Jun 6, 11:17*am, Sacha wrote:

Have you written to the Beeb? *Viewer feedback is very important if you
want improvements!

I do the GfK Media Survey almost daily. Obviously there has been a bad
reaction to the new GW as we were given an extra questionaire after
the first three episodes of the new series which in effect asked,
"What's wrong with it then?" So I told them! Let's hope it does some
good.

"michael" wrote in message
...
I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.
Michael

As a newbie gardener, I've stopped watching it. It does nothing for me. It's
got basic errors in it that even I can spot. It's got errors & omissions
that have been pointed out by more experienced gardeners than I - which mean
that as a newbie, I was being given duff information on Auntie's supposed
flagship gardening programme.

Then there is the delightful Beechgrove Garden on BBC Scotland. It is what
GW should be like. It is full of valuable information and is fun without
being patronising. Not being in Scotland I can get it via BBC iPlayer after
it is broadcast (an option not avaiable to those in forn parts) or I can
watch when it is broadcast on the relevant Sky channel.

http://www.beechgrove.co.uk/

Sacha wrote:
On 2009-06-06 11:57:18 +0100, David in Normandy
said:

michael wrote:
I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.
Michael

The wife and me used to be avid viewers of the program when we lived
in England and have seen all presenters from Percy Thrower to Monty
Don. (Favourite was Geoff Hamilton). On our last visit to England in
April we saw the new series and were extremely disappointed with the
new presenters and the quality of the program. The program seems to
have lost its "heart" somehow and seemed little better than those
crappy make-over programmes with a sort of hippy twist.

It's fallen into the celeb trap of too many talking heads doing 'zany'
things and not enough hands doing some practical work.
My main complaint is that it unrealistic, they solve problems by
throwing money at it. Most of us gardeners have to manage on as little
as possible. Goodness knows how much it costs them to make the beds they
are so proud of.

--
Please reply to group,emails to designated
address are never read.

On 6 June, 14:33, Broadback wrote:
Sacha wrote:
On 2009-06-06 11:57:18 +0100, David in Normandy
said:

michael wrote:
I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.
Michael

The wife and me used to be avid viewers of the program when we lived
in England and have seen all presenters from Percy Thrower to Monty
Don. (Favourite was Geoff Hamilton). On our last visit to England in
April we saw the new series and were extremely disappointed with the
new presenters and the quality of the program. The program seems to
have lost its "heart" somehow and seemed little better than those
crappy make-over programmes with a sort of hippy twist.

It's fallen into the celeb trap of too many talking heads doing 'zany'
things and not enough hands doing some practical work.

My main complaint is that it unrealistic, they solve problems by
throwing money at it. Most of us gardeners have to manage on as little
as possible. Goodness knows how much it costs them to make the beds they
are so proud of.

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The repeat of Police interceptors on C5 was a beter choice, .
I know that if you can add a bit of manure to the garden it helps
things along, but I dont want to get it via the TV.
I am afraid that the BBC's "experts" are geting to be a very poor lot.
Did anyone notice during Chelsea an "Expert" talking about Sambucus,
looking at a black leaf varietu Poss "Black Lace".
said
"This fine sambucus has really darlk leaves and pink flowers you can
use just like an elderberry....."
Oh Dear!
I'm afraid I find myself wincing a few times a week at the "Experts"
knowledge.
David Hill

On 2009-06-06 13:24:00 +0100, moghouse said:

On Jun 6, 11:17*am, Sacha wrote:

Have you written to the Beeb? *Viewer feedback is very important if you
want improvements!

I do the GfK Media Survey almost daily. Obviously there has been a bad
reaction to the new GW as we were given an extra questionaire after
the first three episodes of the new series which in effect asked,
"What's wrong with it then?" So I told them! Let's hope it does some
good.

Good for you and can you give a link to that Survey, please?
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

On 2009-06-06 16:34:54 +0100, Martin said:

On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 12:23:00 +0100, Sacha wrote:
snip

The point is that if nothing is
said, and no efforts are made to let them know what the public think
and want then we have only ourselves to blame. It's a bit like not
voting and then complaining about the governments we get, IMO!

People ran some sort of e-mail campaign complaining about the way it was
impossible to read the credits and the pointless split screen at the end of the
programmes. On POV the BBC person responsible didn't agree with them
and nothing
changed. E-mail complaints to the BBC usually trigger standard replies which
are often irrelevant.

The amount of complaints must make a difference. One or two get nobody
anywhere but a steady stream or a concerted lump can hardly be
overlooked altogether. If they're sensible, they'll make sure that
they read this group and others like it from time to time. I fell
asleep during GW last night and Ray got so fed up he switched channels.
--
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

On 2009-06-06 16:36:07 +0100, Martin said:

On Sat, 06 Jun 2009 14:33:43 +0100, Broadback wrote:
snip
My main complaint is that it unrealistic, they solve problems by
throwing money at it. Most of us gardeners have to manage on as little
as possible. Goodness knows how much it costs them to make the beds they
are so proud of.

and the green house and that shed.

Every time I look at that shed, I wonder how many gardeners can afford
a gardening fork and spade as handles for a tool shed, let alone all
the other nonsense in there! It's such a great shame that it's
becoming so unpopular when you consider the potential there is in a
gardening programme, now that there's such a huge upsurge in interest
in growing food.

--
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Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics.
South Devon

"michael" wrote...
I cant avoid watching Gardeners World,since it seems part of our
Friday evening ritual.However,last night the programme was
awful.Making raised beds using a curved design,and requiring
individual timber pieces was just ridiculous.Also the silly 30 min
tasks got sillier this week with trying to make roof gardens over
sheds and guinea pig hutchs.In the spice bed plants were thrown in at
random,with few described.The only interesting thing was the sowing of
green seed for the propagating of primroses,but since primroses seed
themselves naturally,even this was hardly worth it.
The content now is awful,and I am afraid to say that I think the
series should be pulled.

It's all about viewing figures. If they drop to a certain low level then it
will be pulled just like "Richard and Judy".

In the week of the 11th May GW was 6th in the ratings for BBC2 with 2.4
million viewers, so no chance of it being pulled.
http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyT...ammesOverview?

Looking at the most popular programmes gives one some idea of the average
viewer, it says it all!

--
Regards
Bob Hobden
just W. of London