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Anyone else have allergies to vegetable foliage?
I've just picked some courgettes and both arms are itching all over. I
get the same reaction picking runner beans. Spouse gets a similar
response with conifer foliage.

I must remember to wear a long sleeve shirt to pick runner beans. I've
planted a different variety of courgette seeds this year by accident,
the fruit are a deeper green and the leaves quite thorny - so I got
prickled as well as itches. frown They are growing fast though and
have reached the point that courgettes are being produced faster than we
can eat / freeze them. Pulled a small (10") marrow off just now.

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Anyone else have allergies to vegetable foliage?
I've just picked some courgettes and both arms are itching all over. I
get the same reaction picking runner beans. Spouse gets a similar
response with conifer foliage.


One of the women on the allotment site is allergic to tomato foliage.

But not all irritation is due to allergies (e.g. nettle stings). I
suspect that some rashes are due to mechanical irritation

I must remember to wear a long sleeve shirt to pick runner beans. I've
planted a different variety of courgette seeds this year by accident,
the fruit are a deeper green and the leaves quite thorny - so I got
prickled as well as itches. frown They are growing fast though and
have reached the point that courgettes are being produced faster than
we can eat / freeze them. Pulled a small (10") marrow off just now.


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"David in Normandy" wrote
Anyone else have allergies to vegetable foliage?
I've just picked some courgettes and both arms are itching all over. I get
the same reaction picking runner beans. Spouse gets a similar response
with conifer foliage.

I must remember to wear a long sleeve shirt to pick runner beans. I've
planted a different variety of courgette seeds this year by accident, the
fruit are a deeper green and the leaves quite thorny - so I got prickled
as well as itches. frown They are growing fast though and have reached
the point that courgettes are being produced faster than we can eat /
freeze them. Pulled a small (10") marrow off just now.

My wife has an allergic reaction to cucurbits and she also suffers picking
runner beans just like you.
A neighbour cannot go near tomato plants although he usually has a
greenhouse full which his wife has to tend.
I have some sort of allergy to some conifer foliage but by no means all.

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Bob Hobden wrote:
"David in Normandy" wrote
Anyone else have allergies to vegetable foliage?
I've just picked some courgettes and both arms are itching all over. I get
the same reaction picking runner beans. Spouse gets a similar response
with conifer foliage.

I must remember to wear a long sleeve shirt to pick runner beans. I've
planted a different variety of courgette seeds this year by accident, the
fruit are a deeper green and the leaves quite thorny - so I got prickled
as well as itches. frown They are growing fast though and have reached
the point that courgettes are being produced faster than we can eat /
freeze them. Pulled a small (10") marrow off just now.

My wife has an allergic reaction to cucurbits and she also suffers picking
runner beans just like you.
A neighbour cannot go near tomato plants although he usually has a
greenhouse full which his wife has to tend.
I have some sort of allergy to some conifer foliage but by no means all.

Lots of things bring me out in a rash, however the plus side is they
generally don't irritate and soon disappear. The exception is
gooseberries, they are so bad I have given up growing them!

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On Jul 3, 10:47*pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
"David in Normandy" wrote Anyone else have allergies to vegetable foliage?
I've just picked some courgettes and both arms are itching all over. I get
the same reaction picking runner beans.


I have noticed that runner bean flowers have an allergic effect on
bees - it brings them out in hives.

(sorry, I'll get my coat)


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On Jul 3, 10:47 pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
"David in Normandy" wrote Anyone else have allergies to vegetable
foliage?
I've just picked some courgettes and both arms are itching all over. I
get
the same reaction picking runner beans.


I have noticed that runner bean flowers have an allergic effect on
bees - it brings them out in hives.

(sorry, I'll get my coat)


:~) Behive yourself!

I have heard, David, of people getting a reaction to courgette leaves, but I
don't know whether it's a toxin or not. Maybe it's just the prickliness of
the fruit causing soreness, worsened by the sun? Sometimes, it's as simple
as a concealed nettle. Have you checked?

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I have noticed that runner bean flowers have an allergic effect on
bees - it brings them out in hives.

(sorry, I'll get my coat)

:~) Behive yourself!


Buzz off!

I have heard, David, of people getting a reaction to courgette leaves, but I
don't know whether it's a toxin or not. Maybe it's just the prickliness of
the fruit causing soreness, worsened by the sun? Sometimes, it's as simple
as a concealed nettle. Have you checked?


I did check up on the, er, literature, and the situation is roughly
as follows.

There is a continuous gradation from plants like giant hogweed, rue
and the sumachs (where almost everyone will react to the sap), through
grasses (where many people react) to things like runner beans (where a
few people do). But there are hundreds of widespread UK plants that
fairly often cause reactions.

There is a similar gradation to the sensitivity of people, as with
bee stings, from life-threatening reactions down to trivial and very
temperary rashes. And not everyone reacts consistently between plants.
Runner beans, courgettes and hops cause reactions precisely because
their stems are abrasive, and so can get small amounts of sap through
the skin. More toxic plants cause the problem less often because
they are not.

Perhaps the main reason that this doesn't show up more is that most
saps won't get through most people's skin in most places. I have
reacted to hops when they abraded me in the inside of the elbow, but
no UK sap that I know of will get through the horny skin on my hands.



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Nick Maclaren.
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moghouse wrote:

I have noticed that runner bean flowers have an allergic effect on
bees - it brings them out in hives.

(sorry, I'll get my coat)


What did the bee say to another bee on a hot day?
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..
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..
s'warm


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Spider wrote:

I have heard, David, of people getting a reaction to courgette leaves, but I
don't know whether it's a toxin or not. Maybe it's just the prickliness of
the fruit causing soreness, worsened by the sun? Sometimes, it's as simple
as a concealed nettle. Have you checked?


Definitely not nettles.

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On 4 July, 13:16, David in Normandy
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There is a similar gradation to the sensitivity of people, as with
bee stings, from life-threatening reactions down to trivial and very
temperary rashes. *And not everyone reacts consistently between plants.
Runner beans, courgettes and hops cause reactions precisely because
their stems are abrasive, and so can get small amounts of sap through
the skin. *More toxic plants cause the problem less often because
they are not.


That sounds like a good explanation. I don't tend to be allergic to
anything as a rule, but those leaves are rough, so could be scratching
sap directly into my skin. I don't even get a rash, just an ill-defined
itchiness over a wide area that can last an hour or two.

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Why not try climbing French beans instead, smother leavs, they are
also self fertile and last longer without going stringy.

David Hill
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"David in Normandy" wrote in message
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moghouse wrote:

I have noticed that runner bean flowers have an allergic effect on
bees - it brings them out in hives.

(sorry, I'll get my coat)


What did the bee say to another bee on a hot day?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
s'warm


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LOL! :~) I shall now buzz off to bed smiling. Night.

Spider




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