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newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous
- but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to
wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous?
Thanks, people.

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According to Wikipedia it is potentially fatal IF INGESTED, so touching the
plant should not be harmful. If you have pets be sure to pick up fallen
leaves. If it sets seed pods remove them at once.

Best of luck. Let us know if you survive.

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newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous -
but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to
wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous? Thanks,
people.



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According to Wikipedia it is potentially fatal IF INGESTED, so touching
the plant should not be harmful. If you have pets be sure to pick up
fallen leaves. If it sets seed pods remove them at once.

Best of luck. Let us know if you survive.


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hound wrote:
newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous
- but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to
wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous?


It isn't quite that dangerous although don't lick your fingers. The
smell of datura sap is enough to put most people off eating it. I have
used the prolific seeds from mine in the past as greenhouse rodent bait.
The perfume from the flowers is divine on a warm evening.

They grow all over the continent as council bedding plants (but then so
do oleander and castor oil plants and they really are dangerous).

I don't think there are many plants that are in the serious contact
poison class apart from those that express urushiol (poison ivy etc).

A fair number will give you a nasty rash though and many things are
toxic if ingested. There is an interesting poisonous plant garden at
Alnwick castle - some of the nastier ones are well away from the path.

http://www.alnwickgarden.com/thegard...-poison-garden

They only allow guided tours and it is fully enclosed by fences.

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"hound" wrote
newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous -
but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to
wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous?


My sis-in-law swallowed a very small piece whilst pruning her Brugmansia
(prev. Datura), don't ask!
She soon started to shake and feel unwell/strange and on my insistence
phoned the Hospital who put her onto some specialist poisons clinic in
London. They continued to phone her every 15 minutes for many hours to
monitor the situation and wouldn't let her go to bed insisting she stayed
awake.

So obviously not lethal in small doses (usually) but you will be rather
unwell, feel dreadful, spaced out, and you will need medical help
immediately, reported to be what the Aztecs and others used to subdue human
sacrifice victims.

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Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect,
and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite
happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf
that it has rolled up!!!
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On Jul 7, 5:37*pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
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newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous -
but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to
wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous?


My sis-in-law swallowed a very small piece whilst pruning her Brugmansia
(prev. Datura), don't ask!
She soon started to shake and feel unwell/strange and on my insistence
phoned the Hospital who put her onto some specialist poisons clinic in
London. They continued to phone her every 15 minutes for many hours to
monitor the situation and wouldn't let her go to bed insisting she stayed
awake.

So obviously not lethal in small doses (usually) but you will be rather
unwell, feel dreadful, spaced out, and you will need medical help
immediately, reported to be what the Aztecs and others used to subdue human
sacrifice victims.

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Regards
Bob Hobden
just W. of London


Bob, as you know I have white Datura, I love it. When I handle the
seed pods in November, I wear gloves. I break open the ripe pods,
sprinkle a load in the lower barn and elsewhere, it keeps the vermin
down. I have sent a load of seed to several urglers and if anyone
wants a beautiful pure white hardy (true) Datura, let me know and I
will save seed for you this Autumn.

Judith
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On 2009-07-07 22:03:10 +0100, hound said:

Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect,
and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite
happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf
that it has rolled up!!!


Nobody there called Dougal, is there? ;-)
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On Jul 7, 11:17*pm, Janet Baraclough
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from Judith in France contains these words:

Bob, as you know I have white Datura, ... if anyone
wants a beautiful pure white hardy (true) Datura, let me know and I
will save seed for you this Autumn.


* *Hardy Datura? It survives being left out all winter, in the ice and snow?

* *Janet


Janet, I'm surprised at you, can't you remembered it was identified by
David Poole I think, now his opinion I respect. It is a true Datura,
and, of course, it does not live above ground in Winter; duh, Janet it
springs up from very deep roots, all top growth down to a few inches
rots away. Of course it sets seeds everywhere which are now coming
up, in grabel, everywhere. Now I must Google to see who definitely
odentified it as a true Datura, not some of the stuff that is sold as
Datura, or maybe as you are so good at Googling you could do so and
repost it, many thanks :-)
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Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect,
and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite
happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf
that it has rolled up!!!
Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on, and they'll soon be dead.


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On Jul 8, 8:38*am, echinosum
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hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect,

and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite


happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf
that it has rolled up!!!


Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap
mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee
beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on,
and they'll soon be dead.

--
echinosum


Does it contain arsenic or some such poison?

Judith
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On Jul 8, 11:41*am, Charlie Pridham
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In article 1c733797-269f-4296-9fd6-
,
says...

On Jul 8, 8:38*am, echinosum
wrote:
hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect,


and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite


happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf
that it has rolled up!!!


Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap
mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee
beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on,
and they'll soon be dead.


--
echinosum


Does it contain arsenic or some such poison?


Judith


Cherry Laural contains cyanide
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Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea


Oooer!!!!!!!! I get a rash when I cut laurel! I also get a rash
touching borage, juniper and other stuff, hopefully there is nothing
that can be transferred via the hand, i.e. during normal gardening
jobs?

Judith
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In article 3652a796-716c-451c-b2e2-
,
says...
On Jul 8, 11:41*am, Charlie Pridham
wrote:
In article 1c733797-269f-4296-9fd6-
,
says...

On Jul 8, 8:38*am, echinosum
wrote:
hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect,


and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite


happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf
that it has rolled up!!!


Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap
mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee
beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on,
and they'll soon be dead.


--
echinosum


Does it contain arsenic or some such poison?


Judith


Cherry Laural contains cyanide
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea


Oooer!!!!!!!! I get a rash when I cut laurel! I also get a rash
touching borage, juniper and other stuff, hopefully there is nothing
that can be transferred via the hand, i.e. during normal gardening
jobs?

Judith

I think the amounts involved are not that large so you would have to
consume some quantity rather than just come in contact with
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On Jul 8, 9:28*pm, Charlie Pridham
wrote:
In article 3652a796-716c-451c-b2e2-
,
says...

On Jul 8, 11:41*am, Charlie Pridham
wrote:
In article 1c733797-269f-4296-9fd6-
,
says...


On Jul 8, 8:38*am, echinosum
wrote:
hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect,


and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite


happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf
that it has rolled up!!!


Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap
mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee
beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on,
and they'll soon be dead.


--
echinosum


Does it contain arsenic or some such poison?


Judith


Cherry Laural contains cyanide
--
Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea


Oooer!!!!!!!! *I get a rash when I cut laurel! *I also get a rash
touching borage, juniper and other stuff, hopefully there is nothing
that can be transferred via the hand, i.e. during normal gardening
jobs?


Judith


I think the amounts involved are not that large so you would have to
consume some quantity rather than just come in contact with
--
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Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and
Lapageria rosea


I will keep my mouth firmly shut Charlie.

Judith


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