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Having read the post about GF in France, I wondered what the concentration
should be for actual 'effective' use........Gm/Lt ? -- Pete C London UK |
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A 1 litre container of 360gm/l concentrate claims to treat 3000 sq metres
so that is 120mg per sq metre. The amount of water you use really depends on the method of application so long as you deposit the required amount of GF. More stubborn weed need higher concentrations so you can scale up accordingly. hth Bob Pete C wrote: Having read the post about GF in France, I wondered what the concentration should be for actual 'effective' use........Gm/Lt ? |
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Martin wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:01:42 +0100, "Pete C" wrote: Having read the post about GF in France, I wondered what the concentration should be for actual 'effective' use........Gm/Lt ? If it breaks down soon after it is applied how come the rivers of France are full of it? So, I get Judith to send me 5Lt of French river water? ;) -- Pete C London UK |
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Le Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:42:22 +0200, Martin a écrit :
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:01:42 +0100, "Pete C" wrote: Having read the post about GF in France, I wondered what the concentration should be for actual 'effective' use........Gm/Lt ? If it breaks down soon after it is applied how come the rivers of France are full of it? It depends on what you read : - Monsanto ads or - water analyses (Monsanto don't make any) -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Le Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:35:27 +0200, Martin a écrit :
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:24:10 +0200, Neuneu wrote: Le Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:42:22 +0200, Martin a écrit : On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:01:42 +0100, "Pete C" wrote: Having read the post about GF in France, I wondered what the concentration should be for actual 'effective' use........Gm/Lt ? If it breaks down soon after it is applied how come the rivers of France are full of it? It depends on what you read : - Monsanto ads or - water analyses (Monsanto don't make any) So far we have only read it in your post? Would you like to provide a water analysis and perhaps mention the concentrations of Glyphosate found? While you are at it take a look at the crap that French industry dumps in the Rhine most of which arrives in the Netherlands. http://www.eau-et-rivieres.asso.fr/index.php?69/89 Just follow the links It's in french, sorry, it is because thats's in France. -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Neuneu wrote:
Le Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:35:27 +0200, Martin a écrit : On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 12:24:10 +0200, Neuneu wrote: Le Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:42:22 +0200, Martin a écrit : On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 21:01:42 +0100, "Pete C" wrote: Having read the post about GF in France, I wondered what the concentration should be for actual 'effective' use........Gm/Lt ? If it breaks down soon after it is applied how come the rivers of France are full of it? It depends on what you read : - Monsanto ads or - water analyses (Monsanto don't make any) So far we have only read it in your post? Would you like to provide a water analysis and perhaps mention the concentrations of Glyphosate found? While you are at it take a look at the crap that French industry dumps in the Rhine most of which arrives in the Netherlands. http://www.eau-et-rivieres.asso.fr/index.php?69/89 Just follow the links It's in french, sorry, it is because thats's in France. My French is not very good, but as far as I could tell there is no actual figure stated for the glyphosate concentration found (in the link you gave and associated links). There was just a comment that it was found, apparently contradicting Monsanto's claim of it being 100% biodegradable. Do you know any link which states the concentration found? -- Jeff |
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Le Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:58:09 +0100, Jeff Layman a écrit :
My French is not very good, but as far as I could tell there is no actual figure stated for the glyphosate concentration found (in the link you gave and associated links). There was just a comment that it was found, apparently contradicting Monsanto's claim of it being 100% biodegradable. Do you know any link which states the concentration found? My english is not so good, too... I can give you a lot of links with a lot of results of analysis. This one ? http://www.ineris.fr/eil/documents/R...rticipants.pdf or http://www.aquaref.fr/system/files/M...s+les+eaux.pdf Usually I just lurk on urg because my english is not fluent, but I didn't imagine that in UK you were not informed that Glyphosate is a poison. -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Neuneu wrote:
Le Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:58:09 +0100, Jeff Layman a écrit : My French is not very good, but as far as I could tell there is no actual figure stated for the glyphosate concentration found (in the link you gave and associated links). There was just a comment that it was found, apparently contradicting Monsanto's claim of it being 100% biodegradable. Do you know any link which states the concentration found? My english is not so good, too... I can give you a lot of links with a lot of results of analysis. This one ? http://www.ineris.fr/eil/documents/R...rticipants.pdf or http://www.aquaref.fr/system/files/M...s+les+eaux.pdf Usually I just lurk on urg because my english is not fluent, but I didn't imagine that in UK you were not informed that Glyphosate is a poison. I believe that your English is better than my French! However, as far as I can tell, neither of the references gives the result of measuring levels of glyphosate in "natural water". They are both papers confirming that methodology used for measuring glyphosate is valid (eg the effect of magnesium and calcium ions on the accuracy of measurement). The first also compares results between laboratories. There are a number of statements on "Roundup" bottles concerning its safe use, and there are many more poisonous chemicals than glyphosate in common use in agriculture. -- Jeff |
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Le Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:46:22 +0100, Jeff Layman a écrit :
However, as far as I can tell, neither of the references gives the result of measuring levels of glyphosate in "natural water". Here : http://seaus.free.fr/spip.php?article27 "Il se retrouve presque systématiquement dans les rivières mais désormais aussi dans les eaux souterraines, où 20 % des prélèvements l’ont mis en évidence." Sorry for non-french readers You can also find some interest in readind : http://www.ifen.fr/acces-thematique/...ncontrees.html knowing that AMPA is the result of degradation (not sure of the word in english) of glyphosate. Just have a look at the graph... amazing. -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Neuneu wrote:
Le Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:46:22 +0100, Jeff Layman a écrit : However, as far as I can tell, neither of the references gives the result of measuring levels of glyphosate in "natural water". Here : http://seaus.free.fr/spip.php?article27 "Il se retrouve presque systématiquement dans les rivières mais désormais aussi dans les eaux souterraines, où 20 % des prélèvements l'ont mis en évidence." Sorry for non-french readers Still no levels stated (as, for example, ng/ml). Even the third paragraph in "Faune menacée", which states the toxic level to fish, does not give actual levels found. You can also find some interest in readind : http://www.ifen.fr/acces-thematique/...ncontrees.html knowing that AMPA is the result of degradation (not sure of the word in english) of glyphosate. Just have a look at the graph... amazing. Indeed. Many toxic substances were found. It's not good, but without actual levels no real conclusions can be drawn. Analytical methods are now so sensitive that many chemicals can be detected at extraordinarily low levels - far below what would be considered toxic. Yet, they would appear in that graph as they had been detected. -- Jeff |
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Le Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:31:46 +0200, Martin a écrit :
So is AMPA harmful or what? This one is in english... http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DMPGR.php -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Le Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:28:09 +0200, Martin a écrit :
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:22:14 +0200, Neuneu wrote: Le Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:31:46 +0200, Martin a écrit : So is AMPA harmful or what? This one is in english... http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DMPGR.php "This article was submitted to the USDA on behalf of ISIS" is meaningless anybody can submit anything to them. So you will need to read : Benachour N and Séralini G-E.. Glyphosate formulations Induce Apoptosis and Necrosis in Human Umbilical, Embryonic, and Placental Cells Chem. Res. Toxicol. It's a french study but I guess that with a simple research on Google with "Benachour + Séralini" you will find a lot of results. And That only one study out of hundreds. -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Le Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:28:09 +0200, Martin a écrit :
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:22:14 +0200, Neuneu wrote: Le Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:31:46 +0200, Martin a écrit : So is AMPA harmful or what? This one is in english... http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DMPGR.php "This article was submitted to the USDA on behalf of ISIS" is meaningless anybody can submit anything to them. So you will need to read : Benachour N and Séralini G-E.. Glyphosate formulations Induce Apoptosis and Necrosis in Human Umbilical, Embryonic, and Placental Cells Chem. Res. Toxicol. Here : http://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/tx800218n Starts to become "technical" anyway... -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Le Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:08:35 +0200, Martin a écrit :
On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:13:35 +0200, Neuneu wrote: Le Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:28:09 +0200, Martin a écrit : On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:22:14 +0200, Neuneu wrote: Le Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:31:46 +0200, Martin a écrit : So is AMPA harmful or what? This one is in english... http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DMPGR.php "This article was submitted to the USDA on behalf of ISIS" is meaningless anybody can submit anything to them. So you will need to read : Benachour N and Séralini G-E.. Glyphosate formulations Induce Apoptosis and Necrosis in Human Umbilical, Embryonic, and Placental Cells Chem. Res. Toxicol. It's a french study but I guess that with a simple research on Google with "Benachour + Séralini" you will find a lot of results. And That only one study out of hundreds. You ignored the comment that detergent causes the same chemical and still haven't answered the question about the concentration found in water samples in French rivers. If you feed a kilo of sugar to a rat it kills it, but that doesn't means sugar is a poison. I give up. -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:58:31 +0200, Martin a écrit :
I give up. Good. Our chidren may die in peace -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Neuneu wrote:
Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:58:31 +0200, Martin a écrit : I give up. Good. Our chidren may die in peace I thought you were giving up! At least have the decency to stick to your word Bob |
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Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:31:22 +0100, Bob Minchin a écrit :
Neuneu wrote: Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:58:31 +0200, Martin a écrit : I give up. Good. Our chidren may die in peace I thought you were giving up! At least have the decency to stick to your word Bob I gave up trying to make Martin read the URL I quoted. Not to help people to realize that chemical companies may also be present on newsgroups... -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Martin wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:31:22 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote: Neuneu wrote: Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:58:31 +0200, Martin a écrit : I give up. Good. Our chidren may die in peace I thought you were giving up! At least have the decency to stick to your word Does Round Up kill frogs? LOL |
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Martin wrote: On Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:31:22 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote: Neuneu wrote: Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:58:31 +0200, Martin a écrit : I give up. Good. Our chidren may die in peace I thought you were giving up! At least have the decency to stick to your word Does Round Up kill frogs? No, but the cowboys get exhausted ;) -- Pete C London UK |
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Le Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:59:56 +0200, Martin a écrit :
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:25:19 +0100, prb wrote: In article , says... Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:31:22 +0100, Bob Minchin a écrit : Neuneu wrote: Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:58:31 +0200, Martin a écrit : I give up. Good. Our chidren may die in peace I thought you were giving up! At least have the decency to stick to your word Bob I gave up trying to make Martin read the URL I quoted. Not to help people to realize that chemical companies may also be present on newsgroups... Would it not be a good idea to quote the relevant details instead of giving an url with reams of irelevant rubbish to wade through? I and others, including French speakers, have read all the URLs he quoted. None contained the information we asked for. What was the concentration measured in French rivers and he ignored the comment in his own quoted URL that detergents cause the same chemical that he attributes to the breakdown of Round Up. Maybe URG should be renamed URGM ? Looks like there is a lot of Glyphosate lovers here... -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Le Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:25:19 +0100, prb a écrit :
Would it not be a good idea to quote the relevant details instead of giving an url with reams of irelevant rubbish to wade through? The last URL was written in english... -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Neuneu wrote:
Le Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:59:56 +0200, Martin a écrit : On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:25:19 +0100, prb wrote: In article , says... Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:31:22 +0100, Bob Minchin a écrit : Neuneu wrote: Le Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:58:31 +0200, Martin a écrit : I give up. Good. Our chidren may die in peace I thought you were giving up! At least have the decency to stick to your word Bob I gave up trying to make Martin read the URL I quoted. Not to help people to realize that chemical companies may also be present on newsgroups... Would it not be a good idea to quote the relevant details instead of giving an url with reams of irelevant rubbish to wade through? I and others, including French speakers, have read all the URLs he quoted. None contained the information we asked for. What was the concentration measured in French rivers and he ignored the comment in his own quoted URL that detergents cause the same chemical that he attributes to the breakdown of Round Up. Maybe URG should be renamed URGM ? Looks like there is a lot of Glyphosate lovers here... I would use ammonium sulphamate. Degrades in a few weeks into sulphate of ammonium but the EU banned it from use as a weedkiller in favour of Glyphosate possibly under pressure from Monsanto- allegedly! They have also acted to ban sodium chlorate so gradually the effective weed killers are going. Bob |
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Le Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:50:42 +0100, prb a écrit :
In article , says... Le Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:25:19 +0100, prb a écrit : Would it not be a good idea to quote the relevant details instead of giving an url with reams of irelevant rubbish to wade through? The last URL was written in english... What a numpty. I don't give a monkey's what language it is written in. Quote the relevant part that "proves" your point, then give the url. I thought that, in english, you will be able to read. Apparently not. -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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Stubborn weeds: if they have long or deep roots (couch grass...) use a
*lower* concentration, and treat more than once. The reason is that the weedkiller takes time to get to the parts other weedkillers don't reach, and you don't want the top growth to die till it gets there. "Bob Minchin" a écrit dans le message de ... A 1 litre container of 360gm/l concentrate claims to treat 3000 sq metres so that is 120mg per sq metre. The amount of water you use really depends on the method of application so long as you deposit the required amount of GF. More stubborn weed need higher concentrations so you can scale up accordingly. hth Bob Pete C wrote: Having read the post about GF in France, I wondered what the concentration should be for actual 'effective' use........Gm/Lt ? |
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