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In terms of feeding, my 3 get kitchen scraps. They love raw spinach,
pomegranate and carrot gratings. They will eat apple if it's finely
chopped. They do turn their noses up at quite a lot though!


I hope this is addition to their correct diet of layers pellets and not
instead of!



Their pen area is unroofed and mainly stone chippings with some mud and
grass.


Mud is not good.

*There is a large space under their coop where they settle if it's

raining. And damned if I can't get them to lay their eggs in the egg
box! They are always inside the coop in a really hard spot to reach.,
Must get a fake egg or three and start to teach them where to put
them!


They were starting to slow down their egg-laying up until 2 weeks ago
when I installed a timed light in their coop. I was getting 2 eggs a
day from the 3, now I seem to be getting 3 eggs 6 days a week and two
one day a week. They are great wee layers and don't demand much once
you have the basics sorted.


You don't sound like you have the basics sorted to me, tbh. *If I understand
you right, you feed them on kitchen scraps, let them out on mud and they do
not like their nest box. *Must try harder.


I am relieved that mine came home today Tina after staying out all
night, bad girls!!! I moved their Egu (Yes, I heard you cuss and the
quick intake of breath:-)), just a few feet away, the silly things
didn't like the move. I called them this p.m. and they scuttled
across the field to me like little old ladies, running, they got
double helpings of food tonight.

Judith
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and they scuttled
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On Oct 23, 5:39 pm, "Christina Websell"
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In terms of feeding, my 3 get kitchen scraps. They love raw spinach,
pomegranate and carrot gratings. They will eat apple if it's finely
chopped. They do turn their noses up at quite a lot though!


I hope this is addition to their correct diet of layers pellets and not
instead of!



Their pen area is unroofed and mainly stone chippings with some mud and
grass.


Mud is not good.

There is a large space under their coop where they settle if it's

raining. And damned if I can't get them to lay their eggs in the egg
box! They are always inside the coop in a really hard spot to reach.,
Must get a fake egg or three and start to teach them where to put
them!


They were starting to slow down their egg-laying up until 2 weeks ago
when I installed a timed light in their coop. I was getting 2 eggs a
day from the 3, now I seem to be getting 3 eggs 6 days a week and two
one day a week. They are great wee layers and don't demand much once
you have the basics sorted.


You don't sound like you have the basics sorted to me, tbh. If I
understand
you right, you feed them on kitchen scraps, let them out on mud and they
do
not like their nest box. Must try harder.


I am relieved that mine came home today Tina after staying out all
night, bad girls!!! I moved their Egu (Yes, I heard you cuss and the
quick intake of breath:-)), just a few feet away, the silly things
didn't like the move. I called them this p.m. and they scuttled
across the field to me like little old ladies, running, they got
double helpings of food tonight.

---------

You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out overnight
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. I don't know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they didn't
seem to be in Germany.

It's impossible for me to free range mine now as foxes come in the daytime
too. Once it was perfectly safe as long as I made certain I shut the huts
up at dusk. Now it isn't.
I'm reduced to keeping my poultry in huts with runs attached made of
weldmesh with concrete slab floors and a roof on.
It worked for ages with no roofs on, 6 feet high, but then one fox managed
to climb in and kill one of my favourite hens along with her 6 14 week old
pullet chicks.
Yes, all pullets! Wasn't I lucky? Until that moment.

None of them had been taken for food, they were all left in the run with
their heads off. 7 bodies and 7 separate heads. I wept when I cleared them
up.

Tina







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I am relieved that mine came home today Tina after staying out all
night, bad girls!!! ...


You had better hope that they weren't misbehaving themselves with
the local adders, or you really WILL be in trouble!


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Christina Websell wrote:

You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out overnight
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. I don't know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they didn't
seem to be in Germany.


I plan to keep some chickens here in Normandy sooner or later, but my
French neighbour thinks I will lose them. Seems he kept some at one time
but foxes broke into his barn and killed the lot. I get the impression
they were very clever and determined to get to them in what he thought
was a secure place. We are surrounded by miles and miles of open
countryside and forests here, so lots of wildlife.

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On Oct 24, 9:06*pm, "Christina Websell"
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On Oct 23, 5:39 pm, "Christina Websell"



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In terms of feeding, my 3 get kitchen scraps. They love raw spinach,
pomegranate and carrot gratings. They will eat apple if it's finely
chopped. They do turn their noses up at quite a lot though!


I hope this is addition to their correct diet of layers pellets and not
instead of!


Their pen area is unroofed and mainly stone chippings with some mud and
grass.


Mud is not good.


There is a large space under their coop where they settle if it's


raining. And damned if I can't get them to lay their eggs in the egg
box! They are always inside the coop in a really hard spot to reach.,
Must get a fake egg or three and start to teach them where to put
them!


They were starting to slow down their egg-laying up until 2 weeks ago
when I installed a timed light in their coop. I was getting 2 eggs a
day from the 3, now I seem to be getting 3 eggs 6 days a week and two
one day a week. They are great wee layers and don't demand much once
you have the basics sorted.


You don't sound like you have the basics sorted to me, tbh. If I
understand
you right, you feed them on kitchen scraps, let them out on mud and they
do
not like their nest box. Must try harder.


I am relieved that mine came home today Tina after staying out all
night, bad girls!!! *I moved their Egu (Yes, I heard you cuss and the
quick intake of breath:-)), just a few feet away, the silly things
didn't like the move. *I called them this p.m. and they scuttled
across the field to me like little old ladies, running, they got
double helpings of food tonight.

---------

You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out overnight
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. *I don't know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they didn't
seem to be in Germany.

It's impossible for me to free range mine now as foxes come in the daytime
too. *Once it was perfectly safe as long as I made certain I shut the huts
up at dusk. *Now it isn't.
I'm reduced to keeping my poultry in huts with runs attached made of
weldmesh with concrete slab floors and a roof on.
It worked for ages with no roofs on, 6 feet high, but then one fox managed
to climb in and kill one of my favourite hens along with her 6 14 week old
pullet chicks.
Yes, all pullets! *Wasn't I lucky? *Until that moment.

None of them had been taken for food, they were all left in the run with
their heads off. *7 bodies and 7 separate heads. *I wept when I cleared them
up.

Tina


Oh dear, Tina, I'm sorry, how awful!!!!! I lock the Eglu at night but
they are totally free range during the day, I have been out walking
and often walk into them coming back to the village. I am down to 1
egg a day now, the weather has really picked up and was so warm today
that I was in tee shirt and leggings. Will they continue to lay do
you think whilst the weather is warm.

My neighbour has a lot of hens, last year the fox got into the hen
house one night, he killed all the chickens, about 20 or more, and
left them as you describe, bodies and heads. Why do foxes behave that
way, killing one and taking it away to eat, I understand but not
wanton slaughter.

Judith
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On Oct 25, 12:11*pm, David in Normandy
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Christina Websell wrote:
You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out overnight
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. *I don't know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they didn't
seem to be in Germany.


I plan to keep some chickens here in Normandy sooner or later, but my
French neighbour thinks I will lose them. Seems he kept some at one time
but foxes broke into his barn and killed the lot. I get the impression
they were very clever and determined to get to them in what he thought
was a secure place. We are surrounded by miles and miles of open
countryside and forests here, so lots of wildlife.

--
David in Normandy. *
* *To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
* *subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
* *by a filter and not reach my inbox.


I too am surrounded by open countryside, we live in the Foret National
Livrados. I'm sure Tina will have a small fit but I would buy an Eglu
if I were you David, they are guaranteed fox proof. Mine only sleep
in it, during the day there are totally free. You can get a long run
with them if you don't want them roaming the countryside. It's Eglu
by Omelet, they have a website.

Judith
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On 2009-10-25 17:25:50 +0000, Judith in France
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On Oct 25, 12:11*pm, David in Normandy
wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:
You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out overnigh

t
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. *I don't

know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they di

dn't
seem to be in Germany.


I plan to keep some chickens here in Normandy sooner or later, but my
French neighbour thinks I will lose them. Seems he kept some at one time
but foxes broke into his barn and killed the lot. I get the impression
they were very clever and determined to get to them in what he thought
was a secure place. We are surrounded by miles and miles of open
countryside and forests here, so lots of wildlife.

--
David in Normandy. *
* *To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
* *subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
* *by a filter and not reach my inbox.


I too am surrounded by open countryside, we live in the Foret National
Livrados. I'm sure Tina will have a small fit but I would buy an Eglu
if I were you David, they are guaranteed fox proof. Mine only sleep
in it, during the day there are totally free. You can get a long run
with them if you don't want them roaming the countryside. It's Eglu
by Omelet, they have a website.

Judith


Or, if you have only a few chickens, you can get a run and coop
combined that's on wheels. I've seen them at our local country store.
You can move the thing around so that one area alone doesn't get turned
to a mud bath in a matter of days. Shutting chickens up only at night
won't do it if there's a fox around - daylight is no worry to them.
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Oh dear, Tina, I'm sorry, how awful!!!!! I lock the Eglu at night but
they are totally free range during the day, I have been out walking
and often walk into them coming back to the village. I am down to 1



We got a 7am phone call from a neighbour a few weeks back to say ours
had got out and were wandering around the green. That was fun trying to
get them back in. :-/
(did the hansel + gretel style trail of sultanas in the end, with a bit
of herding and arm flapping)

egg a day now, the weather has really picked up and was so warm today
that I was in tee shirt and leggings. Will they continue to lay do
you think whilst the weather is warm.


I think it's all to do with the amount of daylight, isn't it? So I
/think/ (happy to be told I'm wrong by someone with more knowledge!)
that if you are letting them out as soon as it's daylight you will stand
more chance of them laying more during winter than if they aren't seeing
daylight till 9am or so (which, unfortunately, is sometimes the case
with ours!).

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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:11:32 +0100, David in Normandy
wrote:

Christina Websell wrote:

You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out overnight
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. I don't
know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they
didn't
seem to be in Germany.


Depends on which part of Germany and where.


In a very rural area called the Wendland.
Where I stayed there were around 20 houses, no shop, pub and one street lamp
that was turned off at 11 pm. I was assured by my chicken-keeping friend
that there were foxes but they were far too nervous to come into the
village, probably because no-one is stupid enough to feed them like they do
here in the UK.
There seems to be more of a threat to free range chickens from goshawks
there, birds of prey were just everywhere.
There is also another chicken predator they sometimes get that my friend
calls an enoch that has apparently spread there from Poland. I have no idea
what it is, her description seems to say its a bit like a cross between a
small wild dog and a raccoon.
Could be anything ;-) Enoch is obviously the German name for it.

The Wendland is an idyllic place, we went out for a walk for 6 hours and saw
just one farmer away in the fields on his tractor. No other humans.
I chickened out (excuse the pun) when we sat at the edge of a pond at dusk
watching the bats feeding and heard wild boar approaching.
I was up and out of there and scampering down that deserted road back to the
house in point 5 seconds. Not that I am a wimp, you understand.
Nüle followed me back more slowly. "You weren't frightened of the wild
pigs, were you?" she enquired. "No, of course not" I said. "I thought it
was getting near bed-time.."
"But it's 7.30!" she said.
It was August. It was getting dark, got to be bedtime with wild boar around
you!!

I was surprised how hot it was in Germany in August. 30C plus every day.
I nearly fried.
Somehow I'd thought the climate was similar to Britain. My suncream was not
sufficient.

Tina









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Christina Websell wrote:


You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out
overnight
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. I
don't know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they
didn't
seem to be in Germany.


I plan to keep some chickens here in Normandy sooner or later, but my
French neighbour thinks I will lose them. Seems he kept some at one time
but foxes broke into his barn and killed the lot. I get the impression
they were very clever and determined to get to them in what he thought
was a secure place. We are surrounded by miles and miles of open
countryside and forests here, so lots of wildlife.


We kept freerange unfenced chickens in a wild rural area swarming with
foxes and never lost any to foxes
(neither did my neighbours). Possibly because the foxes there had so
many rabbits frogs and small rodents available;
and because local farmers controlled them by snares and shooting so
they were wary of people.
(Unlike the urban foxes living in a den in the grounds of another
place, who
come to be fed every night, and play with my dog.)
.
We all lost chickens to mink raids though; mink will also kill the
entire flock in a night.
Where we live now, there are no foxes and the chicken killers are
badgers.


I'm not able to free-range my chickens now, even though the fields at the
back of my garden are full of rabbits it was so much easier for the foxes to
get a chicken.
I tried (after a mega daylight raid losing 22) to trap them in a catch alive
trap with a rifle shot from my Fox Man (very experienced vermin controller)
Caught 39. Still they come.
So my chickens are now in huts and runs with 2 inch weldmesh runs, concrete
slab floors and roof.
I don't have mink or badgers thank goodness. Foxes are quite enough.

Tina






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"Judith in France" wrote in message
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On Oct 25, 12:11 pm, David in Normandy
wrote:
Christina Websell wrote:
You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out overnight
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. I don't
know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they
didn't
seem to be in Germany.


I plan to keep some chickens here in Normandy sooner or later, but my
French neighbour thinks I will lose them. Seems he kept some at one time
but foxes broke into his barn and killed the lot. I get the impression
they were very clever and determined to get to them in what he thought
was a secure place. We are surrounded by miles and miles of open
countryside and forests here, so lots of wildlife.

--
David in Normandy.
To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
by a filter and not reach my inbox.


I too am surrounded by open countryside, we live in the Foret National
Livrados. I'm sure Tina will have a small fit but I would buy an Eglu
if I were you David, they are guaranteed fox proof. Mine only sleep
in it, during the day there are totally free. You can get a long run
with them if you don't want them roaming the countryside. It's Eglu
by Omelet, they have a website.

----------
No, no, no.
Get a wooden shed and attach a weldmesh run, put paving slabs as a floor if
you want fox-proof.
Eglus are small plastic things that get wet inside from the chickens
breathing in it overnight. They are not at all suitable. Just a
manufacturer jumping on the bandwagon of the new chicken popularity. "Want
to keep chickens, keep them in one of these Eglus"
Except don't.

I cannot say how annoyed I get about it.
Judith, your chickens liked their Eglu so much that they refused to go into
it when you moved it a few feet. I don't blame them.


Tina







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On Oct 24, 9:06 pm, "Christina Websell"
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On Oct 23, 5:39 pm, "Christina Websell"



I am relieved that mine came home today Tina after staying out all
night, bad girls!!! I moved their Egu (Yes, I heard you cuss and the
quick intake of breath:-)), just a few feet away, the silly things
didn't like the move. I called them this p.m. and they scuttled
across the field to me like little old ladies, running, they got
double helpings of food tonight.

---------
It worked for ages with no roofs on, 6 feet high, but then one fox managed
to climb in and kill one of my favourite hens along with her 6 14 week old
pullet chicks.
Yes, all pullets! Wasn't I lucky? Until that moment.

None of them had been taken for food, they were all left in the run with
their heads off. 7 bodies and 7 separate heads. I wept when I cleared them
up.

Oh dear, Tina, I'm sorry, how awful!!!!! I lock the Eglu at night but
they are totally free range during the day, I have been out walking
and often walk into them coming back to the village. I am down to 1
egg a day now, the weather has really picked up and was so warm today
that I was in tee shirt and leggings. Will they continue to lay do
you think whilst the weather is warm.

---
No, it's more about day length.
-----

My neighbour has a lot of hens, last year the fox got into the hen
house one night, he killed all the chickens, about 20 or more, and
left them as you describe, bodies and heads. Why do foxes behave that
way, killing one and taking it away to eat, I understand but not
wanton slaughter.
----------
If foxes get into your hen house they will always kill them all, even if
there are 50 or more they will kill the lot. Why? I have no idea.
It's why me and Mr Fox do not agree. If he took only one it might be
different, but as he doesn't it occasionally means Mr Fox Man comes to tell
him the error of his ways.

Tina



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On Oct 26, 11:09*pm, "Christina Websell"
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wrote:


Christina Websell wrote:


You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out overnight
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. *I don't
know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they
didn't
seem to be in Germany.


Depends on which part of Germany and where.


In a very rural area called the Wendland.
Where I stayed there were around 20 houses, no shop, pub and one street lamp
that was turned off at 11 pm. * I was assured by my chicken-keeping friend
that there were foxes but they were far too nervous to come into the
village, probably because no-one is stupid enough to feed them like they do
here in the UK.
There seems to be more of a threat to free range chickens from goshawks
there, birds of prey were just everywhere.
There is also another chicken predator they sometimes get that *my friend
calls an enoch that has apparently spread there from Poland. *I have no idea
what it is, her description seems to say its a bit like a cross between a
small wild dog and a raccoon.
Could be anything ;-) *Enoch is obviously the German name for it.

The Wendland is an idyllic place, we went out for a walk for 6 hours and saw
just one farmer away in the fields on his tractor. *No other humans.
I chickened out (excuse the pun) when we sat at the edge of a pond at dusk
watching the bats feeding and heard wild boar approaching.
I was up and out of there and scampering down that deserted road back to the
house in point 5 seconds. *Not that I am a wimp, you understand.
Nüle followed me back more slowly. * "You weren't frightened of the wild
pigs, were you?" she enquired. * "No, of course not" I said. *"I thought it
was getting near bed-time.."
"But it's 7.30!" she said.
It was August. *It was getting dark, got to be bedtime with wild boar around
you!!

I was surprised how hot it was in Germany in August. * 30C plus every day.
I nearly fried.
Somehow I'd thought the climate was similar to Britain. *My suncream was not
sufficient.

Tina


You wouldn't like it round here at the moment then Tina, the hunters
are out in force for the sanglier. I often walk in the woods but it
is a bit risky right now, there is no way I could outrun a boar.

Judith
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Christina Websell wrote:
You were lucky that you got them back, if any of mine were out overnight
that would be the end of them, down the throat of Mr/Ms Fox. I don't
know
if foxes are such a nuisance in France as they are here though, they
didn't
seem to be in Germany.


I plan to keep some chickens here in Normandy sooner or later, but my
French neighbour thinks I will lose them. Seems he kept some at one time
but foxes broke into his barn and killed the lot. I get the impression
they were very clever and determined to get to them in what he thought
was a secure place. We are surrounded by miles and miles of open
countryside and forests here, so lots of wildlife.


--
David in Normandy.
To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the
subject line, or it will be automatically deleted
by a filter and not reach my inbox.


I too am surrounded by open countryside, we live in the Foret National
Livrados. *I'm sure Tina will have a small fit but I would buy an Eglu
if I were you David, they are guaranteed fox proof. *Mine only sleep
in it, during the day there are totally free. *You can get a long run
with them if you don't want them roaming the countryside. *It's Eglu
by Omelet, they have a website.

----------
No, no, no.
Get a wooden shed and attach a weldmesh run, put paving slabs as a floor if
you want fox-proof.
Eglus are small plastic things that get wet inside from the chickens
breathing in it overnight. *They are not at all suitable. *Just a
manufacturer jumping on the bandwagon of the new chicken popularity. *"Want
to keep chickens, keep them in one of these Eglus"
Except don't.

I cannot say how annoyed I get about it.
Judith, your chickens liked their Eglu so much that they refused to go into
it when you moved it a few feet. *I don't blame them.

Tina


LOL Then how do you explain that a wooden one on wheels was moved in
someone's garden and they refused to go into that. I know that you
are I will never agree on the Eglu so we have to agree to disagree.
BTW there are vents in the Eglu so that moisture does not build up.
It seems that yours are not free range and I want free range. Of
course I understand that you can't because of the fox problem but just
as you dislike the idea of an Eglu, I dislike the thought of hens not
being able to roam.

Judith
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