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Titchmarsh comeback?
On 2009-11-09 18:44:22 +0000, "mark" said:
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2009-11-09 17:18:36 +0000, "mark" said: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ contains these words: On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 16:43:23 -0000, "Spider" wrote: Knowledge and enthusiasm, as well as an ability to bestow these, is precisely what's needed on GW. I keep watching in the vain hope it will improve but, these days I rarely watch it in 'real time' because I come in late from the garden during the summer. That shows *just* how much it's changed for me: I used to rush in from the garden to catch every second. The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak viewers when it returns The trouble is, TV programming has vastly changed since the says of St Geoff ( gardening by and for gardeners). Today GW is aimed at a much wider target audience than gardeners. Just like Strictly Come Dancing. is aimed at people who don't dance. It's entertainment geared to non-participants. Whateverever target audience it is aiming at, it has missed as evidenced by the diminishing viewing figures. mark Both from talking to customers and reading the majority opinion on here, I think most viewers want straightforward gardening without the fake friendship stuff and the gimmicky sheds etc. It doesn't mean it has to be humourless or without its lighter moments but it does mean less of the celeb culture and more of the cultivation! Roy Lancaster told us that when he was doing his early broadcasting work he was told very sternly to remember that the plants were the stars, not the presenters! That's part of what needs to come back - let's forget the silly hats and scarves and hair and whatever. More plants, less people. AND PLANT NAMES ON THE SCREEN!! Are you listening programme makers? ;-) It's no good showing people plants and not telling them what they are. Learners need to know from scratch and more experienced gardeners want to know the names of new things being launched. We get customers saying "it was on a gardening programme 2 weeks ago, it's blue/yellow/red/orange and it has green leaves that are pointed." Tell them the names. Please! And at the end of the programme - having warned them to be ready to write it down - tell them where there are special courses or days out that would interest gardeners, e.g. Apple Days, or places giving a week end course or a day course on veg and herb growing, or taking cuttings, or how to save seed etc. -- I'm sure that the Beeb is well aware of the GW failings and that is why they are having chats with AT. mark They read this group as we know from a former member's experience (IIRC) and they'd be wasting their time if they didn't listen to opinions sent in to them. Nothing else would have caused a change in approach, as happened with coverage of Chelsea. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
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Titchmarsh comeback?
In message , Martin
wrote On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:18:36 -0000, "mark" wrote: http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyT...ammesOverview? 1.84 million w/e 06 Sep 2009 2.11 million w/e 13 Sep 2009 ?? ?? 2.17 million w/e 04 Oct 2009 2.26 million w/e 11 Oct 2009 2.27 million w/e 18 Oct 2009 2.2 million w/e 25 Oct 2009 But Ground Force, the type of gardening programme that people really want, had viewing figures closer to 12million! -- Alan news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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Titchmarsh comeback?
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
... Maybe if GW presenters wore fantastic frocks, or some sequiny costume which barely passes as adequate underwear, they'd get more viewers. Thank you Janet. Now I can't get the picture of Toby and Alys in sequined thongs out of my head! -- Kathy |
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In article , ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹
writes The Daily Express today has a big and very critical article outlining how Gardeners' World has gone from bad to worse. Basically saying everything about it is wrong, poor presenters, dumbing down, stupid little garden on waste land (not attached to a house etc) The BBC really needs to up its game and get real or continue to leak viewers when it returns Maybe this dire series will have done us all a favour by showing producers that appealing to the thick, lazy or ignorant is not the way to broadcast Gardening programmes, I for one will be thankful if this means that they learn their lesson! Janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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Titchmarsh comeback?
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from Alan contains these words: In message , Martin wrote On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:18:36 -0000, "mark" wrote: http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyT...ammesOverview? 1.84 million w/e 06 Sep 2009 2.11 million w/e 13 Sep 2009 ?? ?? 2.17 million w/e 04 Oct 2009 2.26 million w/e 11 Oct 2009 2.27 million w/e 18 Oct 2009 2.2 million w/e 25 Oct 2009 But Ground Force, the type of gardening programme that people really want, had viewing figures closer to 12million! That was because of the fashion interest; Tommy's shorts and Charlie's free-range teeshirts. And what a recent programme described as Charlie's "Pre-raphaelite hair" Steve |
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:45:26 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote: But Ground Force, the type of gardening programme that people really want, had viewing figures closer to 12million! That was because of the fashion interest; Tommy's shorts and Charlie's free-range teeshirts. And what a recent programme described as Charlie's "Pre-raphaelite hair" and what happened to her teeshirt every time she winsomely tossed her pre-raphaelite head The best tsunami I've ever witnessed. -- ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ |
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On 2009-11-10 16:43:58 +0000, "mark" said:
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from Alan contains these words: In message , Martin wrote On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:18:36 -0000, "mark" wrote: http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyT...ammesOverview? 1.84 million w/e 06 Sep 2009 2.11 million w/e 13 Sep 2009 ?? ?? 2.17 million w/e 04 Oct 2009 2.26 million w/e 11 Oct 2009 2.27 million w/e 18 Oct 2009 2.2 million w/e 25 Oct 2009 But Ground Force, the type of gardening programme that people really want, had viewing figures closer to 12million! That was because of the fashion interest; Tommy's shorts and Charlie's free-range teeshirts. In GF the garden owner, in every case, just happened to be going away for two days. They would always return at 5.00pm., even Nelson Mandela arrived back at 5. At 4.40 pm., there would always be major jobs that still needed doing. There would always be a heavily loaded wheel barrow which could only be pushed by Charlie requiring her to thrust her 'free range' chest out. mark It did become very formulaic in the end and felt like stuffing yourself on a whole box of chocolates at once. I found it quite interesting from the pov of seeing what design they'd come up with but the whole 'tension' thing became a bit tiresome. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from Alan contains these words: In message , Martin wrote On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:18:36 -0000, "mark" wrote: http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyT...ammesOverview? 1.84 million w/e 06 Sep 2009 2.11 million w/e 13 Sep 2009 ?? ?? 2.17 million w/e 04 Oct 2009 2.26 million w/e 11 Oct 2009 2.27 million w/e 18 Oct 2009 2.2 million w/e 25 Oct 2009 But Ground Force, the type of gardening programme that people really want, had viewing figures closer to 12million! That was because of the fashion interest; Tommy's shorts and Charlie's free-range teeshirts. In GF the garden owner, in every case, just happened to be going away for two days. They would always return at 5.00pm., even Nelson Mandela arrived back at 5. At 4.40 pm., there would always be major jobs that still needed doing. There would always be a heavily loaded wheel barrow which could only be pushed by Charlie requiring her to thrust her 'free range' chest out. mark |
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:08:16 +0100, Martin wrote:
In GF the garden owner, in every case, just happened to be going away for two days. It was cunningly arranged with an excuse that an average 4 year old would have seen through. The only question in the person's mind must have been which TV he/she would find his/herself on when he/she returned. Purple living room wall or purple fence? They would always return at 5.00pm., even Nelson Mandela arrived back at 5. At 4.40 pm., there would always be major jobs that still needed doing. There would always be a heavily loaded wheel barrow which could only be pushed by Charlie requiring her to thrust her 'free range' chest out. mark It did become very formulaic in the end and felt like stuffing yourself on a whole box of chocolates at once. I found it quite interesting from the pov of seeing what design they'd come up with but the whole 'tension' thing became a bit tiresome. The whole tension thing drives almost every BBC TV programme. I blame Challenge Anneke who may or may not have started the whole thing. Damn, now you've mentioned another two frolicsome puppies in a sack -- ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ |
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Titchmarsh comeback?
On 2009-11-10 17:08:16 +0000, Martin said:
On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:43:10 +0000, Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-10 16:43:58 +0000, "mark" said: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from Alan contains these words: In message , Martin wrote On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:18:36 -0000, "mark" wrote: http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyT...ammesOverview? 1.84 million w/e 06 Sep 2009 2.11 million w/e 13 Sep 2009 ?? ?? 2.17 million w/e 04 Oct 2009 2.26 million w/e 11 Oct 2009 2.27 million w/e 18 Oct 2009 2.2 million w/e 25 Oct 2009 But Ground Force, the type of gardening programme that people really want, had viewing figures closer to 12million! That was because of the fashion interest; Tommy's shorts and Charlie's free-range teeshirts. In GF the garden owner, in every case, just happened to be going away for two days. It was cunningly arranged with an excuse that an average 4 year old would have seen through. The only question in the person's mind must have been which TV he/she would find his/herself on when he/she returned. Purple living room wall or purple fence? They would always return at 5.00pm., even Nelson Mandela arrived back at 5. At 4.40 pm., there would always be major jobs that still needed doing. There would always be a heavily loaded wheel barrow which could only be pushed by Charlie requiring her to thrust her 'free range' chest out. mark It did become very formulaic in the end and felt like stuffing yourself on a whole box of chocolates at once. I found it quite interesting from the pov of seeing what design they'd come up with but the whole 'tension' thing became a bit tiresome. The whole tension thing drives almost every BBC TV programme. I blame Challenge Anneke who may or may not have started the whole thing. Doyou remember the old cliff-hanger radio programmes? I blame those. ;-) -- Sacha |
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Titchmarsh comeback?
In message , Martin
writes On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:45:26 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from "shazzbat" contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from Alan contains these words: In message , Martin wrote On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 17:18:36 -0000, "mark" wrote: http://www.barb.co.uk/report/weeklyT...ammesOverview? 1.84 million w/e 06 Sep 2009 2.11 million w/e 13 Sep 2009 ?? ?? 2.17 million w/e 04 Oct 2009 2.26 million w/e 11 Oct 2009 2.27 million w/e 18 Oct 2009 2.2 million w/e 25 Oct 2009 But Ground Force, the type of gardening programme that people really want, had viewing figures closer to 12million! That was because of the fashion interest; Tommy's shorts and Charlie's free-range teeshirts. And what a recent programme described as Charlie's "Pre-raphaelite hair" and what happened to her teeshirt every time she winsomely tossed her pre-raphaelite head Her puppies romped? Honkers -- hugh It may be more complicated but is it better? |
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Titchmarsh comeback?
"Sacha" wrote They read this group as we know from a former member's experience (IIRC) and they'd be wasting their time if they didn't listen to opinions sent in to them. Nothing else would have caused a change in approach, as happened with coverage of Chelsea. Well I sincerely hope they *don't* bring back the smarmy Titchmarsh, he really grates on me. I agree it's the inappropriate production that needs to be sorted out. Toby Buckland is a good presenter if he's allowed to talk in more depth about actual gardening; he's a knowledgeable bloke. I feel an hour length programme with more time for getting into various topics would be far better, and none of that "what's hot and what's not" type nonsense. Plus another vote here for correct plant names on screen long enough to jot them down. One bugbear - I do wish they'd make sure to show what a whole plant looks like when deciding camera angles. It's all very well to get these arty close-up shots of a flower, but what about a sight of its foliage and entire appearance? Sometimes you get shown something unfamiliar but are left with no idea at all of the scale of the thing! |
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Plus another vote here for correct plant names on screen long enough to jot them down. Oh no, not the proper names! Going back a lot of years it reminds me of my father saying during every programme, 'write that down'. I never did and he never realised. mark |
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I'm quite happy with the current presenters, but not some of the content, I thing that the best thing would be to bring back AT as the Producer to improve the content. |
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