Well rotted horse manure question
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I have been lucky enough to get a ton(ish) of 3year old horse muck, and much more if I want. I live in North Lincolnshire and my soil is light When should I dig it in? or should I? Trying to grow veg. NOT flowers and shrubs. There are differences of opinion on t'net, some say if I do it now all or most of the "goodness" will be washed away during winter, others say do it now. It looks like soil and smells like it too btw, and it's a very dark brown colour that I think "black gold" people liken it to is a good description. Thanks for reading. Part_No |
Well rotted horse manure question
"Part_No" wrote in message ... Hello all I have been lucky enough to get a ton(ish) of 3year old horse muck, and much more if I want. I live in North Lincolnshire and my soil is light When should I dig it in? or should I? Trying to grow veg. NOT flowers and shrubs. There are differences of opinion on t'net, some say if I do it now all or most of the "goodness" will be washed away during winter, others say do it now. It looks like soil and smells like it too btw, and it's a very dark brown colour that I think "black gold" people liken it to is a good description. Sounds like what you have got there is compost that used to be horse manure. Get all you can and spread it out for the worms to dig in for you. If the "goodness" hasn't washed out in 3 years, it isn't going to now (though to be honest, there isn't a lot of goodness in there to start with, but it is fantastic soil conditioner). Put as much as you can get on, your soil, the worms and your veg will love you for it. Tom |
Well rotted horse manure question
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"Part_No" wrote in message ... Hello all I have been lucky enough to get a ton(ish) of 3year old horse muck, and much more if I want. I live in North Lincolnshire and my soil is light When should I dig it in? or should I? Trying to grow veg. NOT flowers and shrubs. There are differences of opinion on t'net, some say if I do it now all or most of the "goodness" will be washed away during winter, others say do it now. It looks like soil and smells like it too btw, and it's a very dark brown colour that I think "black gold" people liken it to is a good description. Sounds like what you have got there is compost that used to be horse manure. Get all you can and spread it out for the worms to dig in for you. If the "goodness" hasn't washed out in 3 years, it isn't going to now (though to be honest, there isn't a lot of goodness in there to start with, but it is fantastic soil conditioner). Put as much as you can get on, your soil, the worms and your veg will love you for it. Tom Thanks, Tom I was under the false impression that horse manure was full of goodies and that it was used as a fertilizer. I can get as much of this as I want so if all I need to do is spread it on the top I'll get another trailer load or two. Should I be spreading it now? or wait. Thanks again Part_No |
Well rotted horse manure question
On 2009-12-09 14:08:02 +0000, "Part_No" said:
"Tom" wrote in : "Part_No" wrote in message ... Hello all I have been lucky enough to get a ton(ish) of 3year old horse muck, and much more if I want. I live in North Lincolnshire and my soil is light When should I dig it in? or should I? Trying to grow veg. NOT flowers and shrubs. There are differences of opinion on t'net, some say if I do it now all or most of the "goodness" will be washed away during winter, others say do it now. It looks like soil and smells like it too btw, and it's a very dark brown colour that I think "black gold" people liken it to is a good description. Sounds like what you have got there is compost that used to be horse manure. Get all you can and spread it out for the worms to dig in for you. If the "goodness" hasn't washed out in 3 years, it isn't going to now (though to be honest, there isn't a lot of goodness in there to start with, but it is fantastic soil conditioner). Put as much as you can get on, your soil, the worms and your veg will love you for it. Tom Thanks, Tom I was under the false impression that horse manure was full of goodies and that it was used as a fertilizer. I can get as much of this as I want so if all I need to do is spread it on the top I'll get another trailer load or two. Should I be spreading it now? or wait. Thanks again Part_No We keep repeating this on here but do read the past posts and press information on manure from horses and cows grazed over fields treated with weed killer. One of them - aminopyralid - passes through the animal causing it no (apparent) harm but contaminating its manure. People using it have lost their crops. Check with the person selling the manure that the animals weren't grazed over land where that weed killer has been used. Apparently, aminopyralid is slow to break down so the effects could be felt for some years. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
Well rotted horse manure question
Sacha wrote in
: On 2009-12-09 14:08:02 +0000, "Part_No" said: "Tom" wrote in : "Part_No" wrote in message ... Hello all I have been lucky enough to get a ton(ish) of 3year old horse muck, and much more if I want. I live in North Lincolnshire and my soil is light When should I dig it in? or should I? Trying to grow veg. NOT flowers and shrubs. There are differences of opinion on t'net, some say if I do it now all or most of the "goodness" will be washed away during winter, others say do it now. It looks like soil and smells like it too btw, and it's a very dark brown colour that I think "black gold" people liken it to is a good description. Sounds like what you have got there is compost that used to be horse manure. Get all you can and spread it out for the worms to dig in for you. If the "goodness" hasn't washed out in 3 years, it isn't going to now (though to be honest, there isn't a lot of goodness in there to start with, but it is fantastic soil conditioner). Put as much as you can get on, your soil, the worms and your veg will love you for it. Tom Thanks, Tom I was under the false impression that horse manure was full of goodies and that it was used as a fertilizer. I can get as much of this as I want so if all I need to do is spread it on the top I'll get another trailer load or two. Should I be spreading it now? or wait. Thanks again Part_No We keep repeating this on here but do read the past posts and press information on manure from horses and cows grazed over fields treated with weed killer. One of them - aminopyralid - passes through the animal causing it no (apparent) harm but contaminating its manure. People using it have lost their crops. Check with the person selling the manure that the animals weren't grazed over land where that weed killer has been used. Apparently, aminopyralid is slow to break down so the effects could be felt for some years. Yes, sorry not mentioning aminopyralid....It's very well known, even to me about the devastation it causes. My source of horse doodaas is apparently free of weed killer. I don't know of any test we can do, but a couple of local gardeners have been using the same stuff for a long time.......I know that's not concrete evidence and maybe it's too much trust but I'm putting my confidence there. Fingers crossed and thanks for caring to warn me about this. Part_No |
Well rotted horse manure question
"Sacha" wrote in message ... We keep repeating this on here but do read the past posts and press information on manure from horses and cows grazed over fields treated with weed killer. One of them - aminopyralid - passes through the animal causing it no (apparent) harm but contaminating its manure. People using it have lost their crops. Check with the person selling the manure that the animals weren't grazed over land where that weed killer has been used. Apparently, aminopyralid is slow to break down so the effects could be felt for some years. From http://www.allotment.org.uk/garden-d...inated-manure/ "We know the Aminopyralid is eventually broken down by microbial action in the soil and this is what we need to encourage. If you have a manure pile and just leave it stacked, or even turn it over, the relative lack of the right microbes means it could be two or three years before it becomes safe to use." The OP stated that he or she had "3 year old horse muck" Therefore even if it was originally contaminated, in all likelihood, the manure is by now safe to use. Tom |
Well rotted horse manure question
"Part_No" wrote in message ... I was under the false impression that horse manure was full of goodies and that it was used as a fertilizer. NPK for fresh horse manure is 0.7, 0.3, 0.6 (though I've heard figures as low as 0.44, 0.17, 0.35 quoted) After 3 years in the rain it's unlikley to have a quarter of that. Don't worry though as it's still well worth having (especially on light soil) I can get as much of this as I want so if all I need to do is spread it on the top I'll get another trailer load or two. Should I be spreading it now? or wait. If you've already got your digging done by now, you're a better man than me. I'd spread it out now and keep the worms warm and happy with it until the spring, then dig it in. You can not put too much on (seriously, 6" thick, dug in, would not over do it) Tom |
Well rotted horse manure question
"Part_No" wrote in message ... I don't know of any test we can do, but a couple of local gardeners have been using the same stuff for a long time The test you can do is to start a few seedlings in it and look for typical signs of leaf damage common to herbicides. Or you can pay about £100 and someone else will sprout a few tomato plants in it and look for signs of leaf damage. The other gardeners using it for years would be good enough for me though. Tom |
Well rotted horse manure question
On 2009-12-09 17:33:11 +0000, "Part_No" said:
Sacha wrote in : On 2009-12-09 14:08:02 +0000, "Part_No" said: "Tom" wrote in : "Part_No" wrote in message ... Hello all I have been lucky enough to get a ton(ish) of 3year old horse muck, and much more if I want. I live in North Lincolnshire and my soil is light When should I dig it in? or should I? Trying to grow veg. NOT flowers and shrubs. There are differences of opinion on t'net, some say if I do it now all or most of the "goodness" will be washed away during winter, others say do it now. It looks like soil and smells like it too btw, and it's a very dark brown colour that I think "black gold" people liken it to is a good description. Sounds like what you have got there is compost that used to be horse manure. Get all you can and spread it out for the worms to dig in for you. If the "goodness" hasn't washed out in 3 years, it isn't going to now (though to be honest, there isn't a lot of goodness in there to start with, but it is fantastic soil conditioner). Put as much as you can get on, your soil, the worms and your veg will love you for it. Tom Thanks, Tom I was under the false impression that horse manure was full of goodies and that it was used as a fertilizer. I can get as much of this as I want so if all I need to do is spread it on the top I'll get another trailer load or two. Should I be spreading it now? or wait. Thanks again Part_No We keep repeating this on here but do read the past posts and press information on manure from horses and cows grazed over fields treated with weed killer. One of them - aminopyralid - passes through the animal causing it no (apparent) harm but contaminating its manure. People using it have lost their crops. Check with the person selling the manure that the animals weren't grazed over land where that weed killer has been used. Apparently, aminopyralid is slow to break down so the effects could be felt for some years. Yes, sorry not mentioning aminopyralid....It's very well known, even to me about the devastation it causes. My source of horse doodaas is apparently free of weed killer. I don't know of any test we can do, but a couple of local gardeners have been using the same stuff for a long time.......I know that's not concrete evidence and maybe it's too much trust but I'm putting my confidence there. Fingers crossed and thanks for caring to warn me about this. Part_No I hope you know that no sort of admonishment was intended. ;-) But given how much we've heard of it here, I thought it might be worth mentioning so as to alert others. As long as the owners of the grazing haven't changed their practice, you should be safe. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
Well rotted horse manure question
I hope you know that no sort of admonishment was intended. ;-) But
given how much we've heard of it here, I thought it might be worth mentioning so as to alert others. As long as the owners of the grazing haven't changed their practice, you should be safe. Sasha, no way did I think you were patronising me. We will see in next summmers crops......I have spread another 2 trailer loads on top of my soil so it's done . I didn't even think about how the owners may have changed the grazing practice. I hope fingers and toes crossed that I have not made a big error. All the luck to you Part_No |
Well rotted horse manure question
On 2009-12-12 14:01:13 +0000, "Part_No" said:
I hope you know that no sort of admonishment was intended. ;-) But given how much we've heard of it here, I thought it might be worth mentioning so as to alert others. As long as the owners of the grazing haven't changed their practice, you should be safe. Sasha, no way did I think you were patronising me. Phew! ;-) We will see in next summmers crops......I have spread another 2 trailer loads on top of my soil so it's done . I didn't even think about how the owners may have changed the grazing practice. I hope fingers and toes crossed that I have not made a big error. Sounds like there's more than a fair chance they would be aware of any dangers, too. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
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