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On this dratted system my clematis question has got entangled with the rhubarb, so I'm starting a new thread.
Kay wrote: Some years ago I grew from seed something that was labelled Clematis integrifolia. It clearly wasn't, since it galloped straight to the top of a Sorbus. So I've been looking out for flowers, and this year I spotted them at the top of the tree - white, dropping, with rounded rather than pointed petals. In terms of flowering time, this is very early - before C armandii, and before CC alpina is even showing buds. So I assume C cirrhosa - but is there anything else it could be? It's also not totally tender - it's come through this winter unscathed, whereas I lost my 10 year old C armandii Jeff wrote: My armandii has just about finished flowering. The cirrhosa balearica finished a month ago. I assume that as you said yours could be cirrhosa it is evergreen. If that isn't the case, it isn't cirrhosa. No, I haven't ever taken any interest in cirrhosa, and hadn't realised it was evergreen. So what else flowers this early? - it is just about over now, ie it is finishing at the time I would expect armandii to start flowering. It was in flower at the same time as Cyclamen coum, and just before wood anemones, if that helps at all! |
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Memory of leaves is that they're like montana or alpina - certainly deeply divided. Seed was from Chiltern, so I can't imagine that it'd be anything spectacular in Clematis terms. Packet said 'integrifolia' but it's already a good 15-20 feet up! |
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I've been able to reach a new shoot, so this may be young leaves rather than mature. It's still too wet to go climbing. The leaves are in clusters of about 6. Each leaf is simple, about 2cm x 1cm, broad lanceolate, serrated, rather thick, glossy green. Not in the least bit like alpina! I was expecting it to be easy to identify, with it being in flower earlier than the other early flowering species! If it's not obvious, then I'll just have to try and get a better leaf sample, then wait till next year and make a real effort to get a close up of the flowers. |
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On this dratted system my clematis question has got entangled with the rhubarb, so I'm starting a new thread. Kay wrote: Some years ago I grew from seed something that was labelled Clematis integrifolia. It clearly wasn't, since it galloped straight to the top of a Sorbus. So I've been looking out for flowers, and this year I spotted them at the top of the tree - white, dropping, with rounded rather than pointed petals. In terms of flowering time, this is very early - before C armandii, and before CC alpina is even showing buds. So I assume C cirrhosa - but is there anything else it could be? It's also not totally tender - it's come through this winter unscathed, whereas I lost my 10 year old C armandii Jeff wrote: My armandii has just about finished flowering. The cirrhosa balearica finished a month ago. I assume that as you said yours could be cirrhosa it is evergreen. If that isn't the case, it isn't cirrhosa. No, I haven't ever taken any interest in cirrhosa, and hadn't realised it was evergreen. So what else flowers this early? - it is just about over now, ie it is finishing at the time I would expect armandii to start flowering. It was in flower at the same time as Cyclamen coum, and just before wood anemones, if that helps at all! Our armandii have survived 10 weeks of frost and being covered in ice for weeks. They have been in flower for a couple of weeks in Zuid Holland. |
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... Our armandii have survived 10 weeks of frost and being covered in ice for weeks. They have been in flower for a couple of weeks in Zuid Holland. We haven't had it as cold for so long here in West Sussex, but there have been some penetrating frosts and a lot of snow. As far as I am concerned armandii is a lot hardier than it is given credit for. Mine had damage to a few leaves, but it has flowered very well. -- Jeff |
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says...[color=blue][i] 'Charlie Pridham[_2_ Wrote: [color=green][i] ;885719']In article , says... On 2010-04-29 22:50:21 +0100, kay said: Picture or description of the leaves would help -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall 'ROSELAND HOUSE GARDEN & NURSERY' (http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk) Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea OK, will see what I can do when it stops raining. Memory of leaves is that they're like montana or alpina - certainly deeply divided. Seed was from Chiltern, so I can't imagine that it'd be anything spectacular in Clematis terms. Packet said 'integrifolia' but it's already a good 15-20 feet up! -- kay If it looks like alpina leaves then its most likely a white one of those, may be worth preserving though as all the whites I have seen are not so good a growers as the other colours -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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"Well, I shouldn't go by memory. I've been able to reach a new shoot, so this may be young leaves rather than mature. It's still too wet to go climbing. The leaves are in clusters of about 6. Each leaf is simple, about 2cm x 1cm, broad lanceolate, serrated, rather thick, glossy green. Not in the least bit like alpina!" Sorry about that! From what I could see of the flowers, the petals seemed to be slightly rounded at the tips, whereas all the alpinas I've seen have had quite pointed petals. So with that and the leaves, and that fact it was flowering a good month before my other alpinas (the first of which has only just come into flower) I'm pretty sure it's not an alpina. |
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