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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & live on
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subject. wrote in message ... Where in the UK can you buy a piece of land of around 2-3 acres with a house on it, where you can be self-sufficient, i.e. farm the land non- commercially for your own family's needs only (without keeping any livestock), without breaking any regulations or requiring permission? Is there anywhere where you can get this for less than say 300K? ISTR my self-sufficiency books said that you needed a minimum of 4 acres to fully rotate crops and feed a family. They were keeping a pig, though, for meat and for ploughing up the land. I would have thought you might to keep at least chickens and bees (assuming you regard these as livestock). AFAIK you can use all your garden to grow food without requiring any permission, so I presume the basic question is 'where can I get a house and two or more acres of land for under £300K'. If you want a wide range of growing conditions you will need to be fairly well south, which will push the price up. Scotland can be cheaper but you have a restricted growing season. Lincolnshire, perhaps? HTH Dave R |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & liveon
On 03/06/10 18:58, David WE Roberts wrote:
X-post to uk.rec.gardening who are perhaps more likely to be expert in this subject. wrote in message ... Where in the UK can you buy a piece of land of around 2-3 acres with a house on it, where you can be self-sufficient, i.e. farm the land non- commercially for your own family's needs only (without keeping any livestock), without breaking any regulations or requiring permission? Is there anywhere where you can get this for less than say 300K? ISTR my self-sufficiency books said that you needed a minimum of 4 acres to fully rotate crops and feed a family. They were keeping a pig, though, for meat and for ploughing up the land. I would have thought you might to keep at least chickens and bees (assuming you regard these as livestock). AFAIK you can use all your garden to grow food without requiring any permission, so I presume the basic question is 'where can I get a house and two or more acres of land for under £300K'. Of course You can also keep chickens and rabbits without further ado. Pigs, sheep, etc require a license, but that's not impossible either. -- Tim Watts Hung parliament? Rather have a hanged parliament. |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & liveon
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:58:36 +0100, David WE Roberts wrote:
I would have thought you might to keep at least chickens and bees (assuming you regard these as livestock). Have you ever tried herding bees!? ;-) |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & live on
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:16:11 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
On 03/06/10 18:58, David WE Roberts wrote: X-post to uk.rec.gardening who are perhaps more likely to be expert in this subject. wrote in message ... Where in the UK can you buy a piece of land of around 2-3 acres with a house on it, where you can be self-sufficient, i.e. farm the land non- commercially for your own family's needs only (without keeping any livestock), without breaking any regulations or requiring permission? Is there anywhere where you can get this for less than say 300K? ISTR my self-sufficiency books said that you needed a minimum of 4 acres to fully rotate crops and feed a family. They were keeping a pig, though, for meat and for ploughing up the land. I would have thought you might to keep at least chickens and bees (assuming you regard these as livestock). AFAIK you can use all your garden to grow food without requiring any permission, so I presume the basic question is 'where can I get a house and two or more acres of land for under £300K'. Of course You can also keep chickens and rabbits without further ado. Pigs, sheep, etc require a license, but that's not impossible either. I think the OP said that he didn't intend to keep livestock. -- Frank Erskine |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & liveon
On 03/06/10 22:42, Frank Erskine wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:16:11 +0100, Tim wrote: Of course You can also keep chickens and rabbits without further ado. Pigs, sheep, etc require a license, but that's not impossible either. I think the OP said that he didn't intend to keep livestock. Yes, but I think that's going to be hard to be fully (or is the OP after *mostly*) self sufficent without. You really need dairy even if you don't eat the cow (well, not until it's getting past it). I suppose a goat would be an more manageable option for milk. And I can't see how you could survive without some hens (eggs and meat). -- Tim Watts Hung parliament? Rather have a hanged parliament. |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & live on
"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 03/06/10 22:42, Frank Erskine wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:16:11 +0100, Tim wrote: Of course You can also keep chickens and rabbits without further ado. Pigs, sheep, etc require a license, but that's not impossible either. I think the OP said that he didn't intend to keep livestock. Yes, but I think that's going to be hard to be fully (or is the OP after *mostly*) self sufficent without. You really need dairy even if you don't eat the cow (well, not until it's getting past it). I suppose a goat would be an more manageable option for milk. And I can't see how you could survive without some hens (eggs and meat). In my cousin's experience, you get the eggs until the fox gets the meat. :-( |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & live on
In article , Tim Watts
writes Of course You can also keep chickens and rabbits without further ado. Pigs, sheep, etc require a license, but that's not impossible either. -- Tim Watts You can't keep chickens just anywhere. In my land registration thingy it says no chickens or words to that effect. Janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & liveon
On 04/06/10 00:46, Janet Tweedy wrote:
In article , Tim Watts writes Of course You can also keep chickens and rabbits without further ado. Pigs, sheep, etc require a license, but that's not impossible either. -- Tim Watts You can't keep chickens just anywhere. In my land registration thingy it says no chickens or words to that effect. Janet That sounds like a covenant restriction rather than the general case. I've got one that says "no caravans", but in general people can keep a caravan. -- Tim Watts Hung parliament? Rather have a hanged parliament. |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & liveon
OG wrote:
"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 03/06/10 22:42, Frank Erskine wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:16:11 +0100, Tim wrote: Of course You can also keep chickens and rabbits without further ado. Pigs, sheep, etc require a license, but that's not impossible either. I think the OP said that he didn't intend to keep livestock. Yes, but I think that's going to be hard to be fully (or is the OP after *mostly*) self sufficent without. You really need dairy even if you don't eat the cow (well, not until it's getting past it). I suppose a goat would be an more manageable option for milk. And I can't see how you could survive without some hens (eggs and meat). In my cousin's experience, you get the eggs until the fox gets the meat. :-( until you buy the factory made energy intensive shotgun, or chicken wire. |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & liveon
Janet Tweedy wrote:
In article , Tim Watts writes Of course You can also keep chickens and rabbits without further ado. Pigs, sheep, etc require a license, but that's not impossible either. -- Tim Watts You can't keep chickens just anywhere. In my land registration thingy it says no chickens or words to that effect. I had one that said no chickens, pigs or travelling fairs and I was not allowed to make it into a lunatic asylum, but they were all restrictive covenants on the land, not general restrictions. Colin Bignell |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & liveon
David WE Roberts wrote:
.... ISTR my self-sufficiency books said that you needed a minimum of 4 acres to fully rotate crops and feed a family. They were keeping a pig, though, for meat and for ploughing up the land. I would have thought you might to keep at least chickens and bees (assuming you regard these as livestock)... I assumed the no livestock bit implied vegan. Not sure what their view on bees is though. Colin Bignell |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & live on
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 23:36:56 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
On 03/06/10 22:42, Frank Erskine wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:16:11 +0100, Tim wrote: Of course You can also keep chickens and rabbits without further ado. Pigs, sheep, etc require a license, but that's not impossible either. I think the OP said that he didn't intend to keep livestock. Yes, but I think that's going to be hard to be fully (or is the OP after *mostly*) self sufficent without. You really need dairy even if you don't eat the cow (well, not until it's getting past it). I suppose a goat would be an more manageable option for milk. And I can't see how you could survive without some hens (eggs and meat). Perhaps the OP and/or his loved ones are vegetarian or vegan? He seemed very firm in his first posting about no livestock. Being a vegan isn't easy. I married someone strictly vegetarian who is keen to go vegan, so I know. But many people seem to achieve a dairy-free diet quite successfully. I couldn't do it, and it seems as though you probably couldn't either, but the fact is that many do. It really isn't up to us to judge what other people do or don't eat. I don't like being put under pressure *not* to eat certain foods, and I know that others don't like being pressured by society into eating things that they don't believe people should eat. |
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On 04/06/10 11:26, Bruce wrote:
It really isn't up to us to judge what other people do or don't eat. I don't like being put under pressure *not* to eat certain foods, and I know that others don't like being pressured by society into eating things that they don't believe people should eat. I wasn't judging him, just questioning the practicalities. TNP said soya beans - I don't honestly know if that's enough. I thought nuts were par for the course of being a vegan too??? Chickens are usually high of the list of a truely self sufficient lifestyle because: they're fairly easy (apart from keeping foxes off them); they eat lots of kitchen waste; they produce 2 useful products. Cows OTOH would be a nightmare. When the inevetible happens, having to kill it and process that much meat in one go would be a serious undertaking. If it were me, I'd probably develop a liking for goats or sheeps milk at that point(!) -- Tim Watts Hung parliament? Rather have a hanged parliament. |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & liveon
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Tim Watts wrote: On 04/06/10 11:26, Bruce wrote: It really isn't up to us to judge what other people do or don't eat. I don't like being put under pressure *not* to eat certain foods, and I know that others don't like being pressured by society into eating things that they don't believe people should eat. I wasn't judging him, just questioning the practicalities. TNP said soya beans - I don't honestly know if that's enough. I thought nuts were par for the course of being a vegan too??? It's not. Nor are nuts+soya. Veganism is as unnatural as the steak diet so popular with other people, and it's extremely hard to avoid malnutrition. In particular, B12 deficiency is a serious risk, so supplements are needed. See, for example, "Dietary Sources" in: http://www.vegsoc.org/info/b12.html Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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advice sought on buying a plot to farm self-sufficiently & liveon
On Jun 4, 11:45*am, wrote:
Veganism is as unnatural as the steak diet so popular with other people, and it's extremely hard to avoid malnutrition. In particular, B12 deficiency is a serious risk, so supplements are needed. Three slices of marmite on toast for breakfast each day give a person ample B12. Michael |
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