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"David WE Roberts" wrote... Is it just my newsreader (Windows Mail) or is gardenbanter mixing up threads? Certainly something strange has happened to a couple of threads which have got intertwined. -- Regards Bob Hobden W.of London. UK |
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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message ... Is it just my newsreader (Windows Mail) or is gardenbanter mixing up threads? I've seen a number of mixed threads; don't know if gardenbanter is doing it, but something is. Ian |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:48:03 +0100, "Ian B"
wrote: "David WE Roberts" wrote in message ... Is it just my newsreader (Windows Mail) or is gardenbanter mixing up threads? I've seen a number of mixed threads; don't know if gardenbanter is doing it, but something is. Ian It's probably the way Windows Mail and Outlook Express handle threads. Users of other application are not reporting any problems. Steve -- Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com |
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In message , David WE Roberts
writes Is it just my newsreader (Windows Mail) or is gardenbanter mixing up threads? Hmmm Which is most likely to have screwed up - Windows or gardenbanter. Difficult call. -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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"hugh" wrote David WE Roberts writes Is it just my newsreader (Windows Mail) or is gardenbanter mixing up threads? Hmmm Which is most likely to have screwed up - Windows or gardenbanter. Difficult call. One thread I noticed got mixed up was "Which is the best plant to be grown in the UK?" 20/07/2010 09.40. It then starts to get replies to "Greenhouse questions" as replies. Can anyone not using Windows see the mix-up? -- Regards Bob Hobden W.of London. UK |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:31:50 +0100, "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "hugh" wrote David WE Roberts writes Is it just my newsreader (Windows Mail) or is gardenbanter mixing up threads? Hmmm Which is most likely to have screwed up - Windows or gardenbanter. Difficult call. One thread I noticed got mixed up was "Which is the best plant to be grown in the UK?" 20/07/2010 09.40. It then starts to get replies to "Greenhouse questions" as replies. Can anyone not using Windows see the mix-up? I can't see any mix up using the Agent newsreader. I access the thread directly rather than via Garden Banter. It looks like there is a fault in Windows Mail. Steve -- Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com |
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Bob Hobden wrote:
One thread I noticed got mixed up was "Which is the best plant to be grown in the UK?" 20/07/2010 09.40. It then starts to get replies to "Greenhouse questions" as replies. Can anyone not using Windows see the mix-up? Yes, it was cross-threaded: 1 [ 10] Which is the best plant to be grown in Harryg 2 [ 13] +- kay 3 [ 22] | +-Greenhouse questions Lordspudz 4 [ 20] | | +- kay 5 [ 26] | | | `- Kate Morgan 6 [ 42] | | +- Jake 7 [ 21] | | `- soup 8 [ 12] | | `- Lordspudz 9 [ 30] | `- Mike Lyle 10 [ 14] +- Stewart Robert Hins 11 [ 23] | `- Dave Hill 12 [ 9] +- bobharvey 13 [ 14] | `- harry 14 [ 30] +- Bob Hobden 15 [ 14] +- sutartsorric - 16 [ 19] `-Which is the best plant to be grown Jake Which would imply it was either Lordspudz who (accidentally or not) followed up in one thread to a message in another thread and changed the subject accordingly, or that gardenbanter (assuming he posted from there, but that looks like a gardenbanter type username!) had a bit of a brainfart moment and the threads were crossed by them. It's definitely crossed out in the wilderness of usenet, not restricted to anyone's newsreader. |
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"Jake" wrote in message ... On 26 Jul 2010 16:47:56 GMT, wrote: Bob Hobden wrote: One thread I noticed got mixed up was "Which is the best plant to be grown in the UK?" 20/07/2010 09.40. It then starts to get replies to "Greenhouse questions" as replies. Can anyone not using Windows see the mix-up? Yes, it was cross-threaded: 1 [ 10] Which is the best plant to be grown in Harryg 2 [ 13] +- kay 3 [ 22] | +-Greenhouse questions Lordspudz 4 [ 20] | | +- kay 5 [ 26] | | | `- Kate Morgan 6 [ 42] | | +- Jake 7 [ 21] | | `- soup 8 [ 12] | | `- Lordspudz 9 [ 30] | `- Mike Lyle 10 [ 14] +- Stewart Robert Hins 11 [ 23] | `- Dave Hill 12 [ 9] +- bobharvey 13 [ 14] | `- harry 14 [ 30] +- Bob Hobden 15 [ 14] +- sutartsorric - 16 [ 19] `-Which is the best plant to be grown Jake Which would imply it was either Lordspudz who (accidentally or not) followed up in one thread to a message in another thread and changed the subject accordingly, or that gardenbanter (assuming he posted from there, but that looks like a gardenbanter type username!) had a bit of a brainfart moment and the threads were crossed by them. It's definitely crossed out in the wilderness of usenet, not restricted to anyone's newsreader. If the mess up occurred out in the internet, then Agent Newsreader is more capable than I had realised as, for me, the two threads (Best Plant ... and Greenhouse Questions) are properly separate and posts are in a logical order in the right thread. But I've also checked on Google Groups at http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...995bfaa9f2316# for the Best Plant.... thread which seems fine to me, and http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...a87811a402b9c# for the greenhouse one. Now interestingly, Google says Mike Lyle changed the subject (and there's one message about best plant from him) and then Soup changes it back again to greenhouse questions. But as I say, my Agent newsreader has everything just as it should be (my NNTP provider is Easynews). Lordspuds is a GB poster but I cannot see any evidence that he has been the cause, even inadvertently, of any mixup. He's innocent m'lud! Ah well. Back to the watering .... From a look at the headers in question, Gardenbanter's server messed up the references headers, so appending LordSpudz's reply to a message in "Which Plant...?" It may well be that Forte Agent is not threading properly, ignoring the headers and threading by subject lines instead, in which case it ignored the mixup. Ian |
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"Ian B" wrote in message ... "Jake" wrote in message ... On 26 Jul 2010 16:47:56 GMT, wrote: Bob Hobden wrote: One thread I noticed got mixed up was "Which is the best plant to be grown in the UK?" 20/07/2010 09.40. It then starts to get replies to "Greenhouse questions" as replies. Can anyone not using Windows see the mix-up? Yes, it was cross-threaded: 1 [ 10] Which is the best plant to be grown in Harryg 2 [ 13] +- kay 3 [ 22] | +-Greenhouse questions Lordspudz 4 [ 20] | | +- kay 5 [ 26] | | | `- Kate Morgan 6 [ 42] | | +- Jake 7 [ 21] | | `- soup 8 [ 12] | | `- Lordspudz 9 [ 30] | `- Mike Lyle 10 [ 14] +- Stewart Robert Hins 11 [ 23] | `- Dave Hill 12 [ 9] +- bobharvey 13 [ 14] | `- harry 14 [ 30] +- Bob Hobden 15 [ 14] +- sutartsorric - 16 [ 19] `-Which is the best plant to be grown Jake Which would imply it was either Lordspudz who (accidentally or not) followed up in one thread to a message in another thread and changed the subject accordingly, or that gardenbanter (assuming he posted from there, but that looks like a gardenbanter type username!) had a bit of a brainfart moment and the threads were crossed by them. It's definitely crossed out in the wilderness of usenet, not restricted to anyone's newsreader. If the mess up occurred out in the internet, then Agent Newsreader is more capable than I had realised as, for me, the two threads (Best Plant ... and Greenhouse Questions) are properly separate and posts are in a logical order in the right thread. But I've also checked on Google Groups at http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...995bfaa9f2316# for the Best Plant.... thread which seems fine to me, and http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...a87811a402b9c# for the greenhouse one. Now interestingly, Google says Mike Lyle changed the subject (and there's one message about best plant from him) and then Soup changes it back again to greenhouse questions. But as I say, my Agent newsreader has everything just as it should be (my NNTP provider is Easynews). Lordspuds is a GB poster but I cannot see any evidence that he has been the cause, even inadvertently, of any mixup. He's innocent m'lud! Ah well. Back to the watering .... From a look at the headers in question, Gardenbanter's server messed up the references headers, so appending LordSpudz's reply to a message in "Which Plant...?" It may well be that Forte Agent is not threading properly, ignoring the headers and threading by subject lines instead, in which case it ignored the mixup. And this matters because? Mike |
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"Muddymike" wrote in message om... "Ian B" wrote in message ... "Jake" wrote in message ... On 26 Jul 2010 16:47:56 GMT, wrote: Bob Hobden wrote: One thread I noticed got mixed up was "Which is the best plant to be grown in the UK?" 20/07/2010 09.40. It then starts to get replies to "Greenhouse questions" as replies. Can anyone not using Windows see the mix-up? Yes, it was cross-threaded: 1 [ 10] Which is the best plant to be grown in Harryg 2 [ 13] +- kay 3 [ 22] | +-Greenhouse questions Lordspudz 4 [ 20] | | +- kay 5 [ 26] | | | `- Kate Morgan 6 [ 42] | | +- Jake 7 [ 21] | | `- soup 8 [ 12] | | `- Lordspudz 9 [ 30] | `- Mike Lyle 10 [ 14] +- Stewart Robert Hins 11 [ 23] | `- Dave Hill 12 [ 9] +- bobharvey 13 [ 14] | `- harry 14 [ 30] +- Bob Hobden 15 [ 14] +- sutartsorric - 16 [ 19] `-Which is the best plant to be grown Jake Which would imply it was either Lordspudz who (accidentally or not) followed up in one thread to a message in another thread and changed the subject accordingly, or that gardenbanter (assuming he posted from there, but that looks like a gardenbanter type username!) had a bit of a brainfart moment and the threads were crossed by them. It's definitely crossed out in the wilderness of usenet, not restricted to anyone's newsreader. If the mess up occurred out in the internet, then Agent Newsreader is more capable than I had realised as, for me, the two threads (Best Plant ... and Greenhouse Questions) are properly separate and posts are in a logical order in the right thread. But I've also checked on Google Groups at http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...995bfaa9f2316# for the Best Plant.... thread which seems fine to me, and http://groups.google.com/group/uk.re...a87811a402b9c# for the greenhouse one. Now interestingly, Google says Mike Lyle changed the subject (and there's one message about best plant from him) and then Soup changes it back again to greenhouse questions. But as I say, my Agent newsreader has everything just as it should be (my NNTP provider is Easynews). Lordspuds is a GB poster but I cannot see any evidence that he has been the cause, even inadvertently, of any mixup. He's innocent m'lud! Ah well. Back to the watering .... From a look at the headers in question, Gardenbanter's server messed up the references headers, so appending LordSpudz's reply to a message in "Which Plant...?" It may well be that Forte Agent is not threading properly, ignoring the headers and threading by subject lines instead, in which case it ignored the mixup. And this matters because? We're on the internet. |
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On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:45:32 +0100, "Ian B"
wrote: From a look at the headers in question, Gardenbanter's server messed up the references headers, so appending LordSpudz's reply to a message in "Which Plant...?" It may well be that Forte Agent is not threading properly, ignoring the headers and threading by subject lines instead, in which case it ignored the mixup. Agent threads by subject or by references header. Steve -- Neural Planner Software Ltd www.NPSL1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. www.justnn.com |
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In message , Jake
writes On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:45:32 +0100, "Ian B" wrote: From a look at the headers in question, Gardenbanter's server messed up the references headers, so appending LordSpudz's reply to a message in "Which Plant...?" It may well be that Forte Agent is not threading properly, ignoring the headers and threading by subject lines instead, in which case it ignored the mixup. Ian I've now mapped the references field in the headers (which Forte Agent does use by the way) and everything is exactly as it should be. Given that Lordspudz originally posted via Garden Banter, if the mix up occurred at that point then the references would reflect that when I look at them in my newsreader. That they do not suggests that, however illogical this may be to some, GB isn't the culprit. That's not what I see. I certainly see a mix up in the headers. In Message-ID: , which for me using Turnpike appears in the Greenhouse thread, in reply to Kay I have the following references header: References: The first is Lorsdsupdz original initial post in the Greenhouse thread, the second is the MID for Kays post in the 'Best plant' thread. This certainly looks like an error on the part of Gardenbanter posting system Different people are experiencing different "results" so whilst we must all agree that whatever happened was somewhere "out there", we also need to agree that we'll never work out where that somewhere was. Turnpike puts this message in reply to Kay, as I would expect as it threads on the References headers (a sit does with the replies to it.), unless absent. And obviously uses the most recent reference. Newsreaders which use a different threading algorithm may produce different results when presented with such a malformed header. Those threading solely on subject will probably not see a problem in this situation -- Chris French |
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Jake wrote:
One might be a bit sceptical about a lot of those who report an issue using Outlook Express or Windows Mail as their newsreader but Vicky seems to be using a Linux-based reader which has nothing to do with Microshaft. So Vicky effectively tells me, without realising it, that the problem doesn't rest with whichever newsreader someone is using. I didn't realise I was doing it without realising it, I thought that that was specifically what I was saying. ;-) And yes, I'm using tin, which is a linux-based newsreader, from a public news feed from news.individual.net, if that helps you. It could always be that during propogation some server somewhere has 'fixed' the problem or not honoured the references. Does that add another spoke to your wheel? I seriously suspect it's not anything to bother thinking about this much already, though. |
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