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20-08-2010, 06:31 PM
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:00:19 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message .. . Certainly not an endorsement of their ability to recognise a normally- -configured dog. What, in your opinion, is a normally configured dog? Tina Do you really need to ask? For example, dogs with skin that fits, dogs that can breathe through normal jaws and faces, dogs bred without congenital hip problems, dogs bred without artificial ridges on their backs, dogs who can see their way around without wearing an Alice band etc etc etc., dogs who can walk without their guts scraping along the ground. Why do you think Crufts has lost so many sponsors? Lost their broadcaster? Attracted criticism from so many sources including the RSPCA. And most of the judges are more inbred than the poor animals. -- (¯`·. ®óñ© © ²°¹° .·´¯) |
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#32
20-08-2010, 07:02 PM
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"®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message ... On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:00:19 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message . .. Certainly not an endorsement of their ability to recognise a normally- -configured dog. What, in your opinion, is a normally configured dog? Tina Do you really need to ask? For example, dogs with skin that fits, dogs that can breathe through normal jaws and faces, dogs bred without congenital hip problems, dogs bred without artificial ridges on their backs, dogs who can see their way around without wearing an Alice band etc etc etc., dogs who can walk without their guts scraping along the ground. Why do you think Crufts has lost so many sponsors? Lost their broadcaster? Attracted criticism from so many sources including the RSPCA. Don't start me about the RSPCA. And most of the judges are more inbred than the poor animals. Cite that, please. Or is that just your silly opinion? Tina |
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20-08-2010, 08:38 PM
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On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 19:02:42 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:00:19 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message ... Certainly not an endorsement of their ability to recognise a normally- -configured dog. What, in your opinion, is a normally configured dog? Tina Do you really need to ask? For example, dogs with skin that fits, dogs that can breathe through normal jaws and faces, dogs bred without congenital hip problems, dogs bred without artificial ridges on their backs, dogs who can see their way around without wearing an Alice band etc etc etc., dogs who can walk without their guts scraping along the ground. Why do you think Crufts has lost so many sponsors? Lost their broadcaster? Attracted criticism from so many sources including the RSPCA. Don't start me about the RSPCA. I didn't start it. Just comment on the other points I've mentioned or is just any criticism based on well-known facts anathema or silly. Anyway, how did this stupid thread start, it's got nothing to do with gardening and I'm bored with it. -- ®óñ© © ²°¹° Frankly, my dear, I don't dig a clam |
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#34
20-08-2010, 09:55 PM
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"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Bill Grey" wrote in message ... My labrador was entered at Crufts, an I sometimes think the judges look at the wrong end of the lead! Bill Unfortunately, I have to agree that this does happen sometimes. *If* the judge is not ethical and an exhibitor will soon be a judge at another championship show where they will be entering their own dog. My friend does not do that. Neither do I. I used to judge and gave best of breed to a dog that was winning a lot and had a big fault, purely because she was the best of a bad bunch. I was horrified to find that when I entered my own dog when this person was judging some time later, I won my class and the report she sent to the dog newspapers - the dog's critique - was *identical* to the one I'd sent in for her dog, except of course she changed "her" to "him" How blatant is that to say, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours? I was appalled. I lost any respect for her immediately. Fortunately, although it is commonly believed that the dog show scene is fixed, most judges will put the best dog first, regardless of who is at the other end of the lead. Those that do not give it a bad name. Tina Hi Tina, We seem to have had similar experiences with regard to judges. I thought Cruft's would be at least fair, but regrtettably some form of old pals act won the day. At least I got to Cruft's but even when my Lab qualified, one onlooker, who wasn't very complimentary said about the judge - " She wasn't a Labrador judge" anyway. He was of course hinting that he didn't think my dog was good enough and that a pal's dog should have qualified. That was the only disappointing comment I heard from a jealous entrant. We got there, that was the most imprtant thing. All the best, Bill |
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20-08-2010, 10:04 PM
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"Pam Moore" wrote in message ... On Thu, 19 Aug 2010 10:07:37 +0100, (Peter James) wrote: Pam Moore wrote: Sightings of a big cat reported on local ITV news tonight: Bristol area; http://www.itv.com/westcountry-east/...ightings51259/ Pam in Bristol There have been reports of big cats in the area of Bodmin Moor in Cornwall for the past 1 0 years or so. Never proffed, but on the other hand too numerous to be dismissed out of hand. Peter As I think the report stated! Pam in Bristol A good read on the subject of Big Cats is:- CAT COUNTRY, by Di Francis ISBN 0 7153 8425 2 Puiblished by David and Charles, Newton Abbot 1983 (?) Lots af ancedotal evidence. Bill |
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#36
20-08-2010, 10:23 PM
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In message , Christina Websell
writes "hugh" ] wrote in message ... From my experience having judged at Crufts Wow! You did? Fantastic! What breeds did you judge? It is really a lifetime achievement to do that. If you see commas where there aren't any then it's not surprising you can't tell a cat from a dog. is not necessarily any endorsement for being able to recognise a dog. I can assure you that anyone who is invited to judge at Crufts knows the difference between the gait of a cat and a dog that runs across the road in front of their car. I don't understand your hostility, is it a perceived class thing? Eh? Having been involved in show dogs for over 22 years I have met all levels of people from all sorts of backgrounds who have judged at Crufts. "Class" doesn't come into it except perhaps in your mind- it's a competence thing and many who have judged at crufts have never had the privilege of going over my dogs because I had no interest in their opinion. -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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#37
20-08-2010, 10:58 PM
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Are you joking? Obviously you've never raised a farm cat compared to a pedigree? Its in their genes, they create their own play and don't 'Have' to be taught anything to survive, most of the species are solitary hunters. Maybe its the mutant humans we should be more worried about anyway... ...Did anyone see 'Wrong Turn 2' last night.... This hillbilly holds this girl by the hair at the start of the movie, and then precedes to chop her clean in half, straight down the middle with an felling axe and her intestines fall onto the floor..lol....then he and his cousin drag off each half of her by the leg...that was so funny...I wet myself! lol! |
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#38
20-08-2010, 11:09 PM
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Cats are like crocodiles, they are top of the food chain. You don't domestic a crocodile and then release it and worry about how its gonna survive. By your rational those poor girls that that German bloke had locked up in his basement for twenty years don't stand a chance of rehabilitation. Bats are way down the food chain, they are mice with wings. Move to Darwin Australia, get your Mango tree infested with protected Flying foxes, wake up and smell the guano each morning, knowing full well there is nothing you can do about it but move and we'll see how you feel about bats!!!...They are cute little critters though aren't they!
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#39
21-08-2010, 11:02 AM
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In message , Sacha
writes On 2010-08-20 22:23:25 +0100, hugh ] said: In message , Christina Websell writes "hugh" ] wrote in message ... From my experience having judged at Crufts Wow! You did? Fantastic! What breeds did you judge? It is really a lifetime achievement to do that. If you see commas where there aren't any then it's not surprising you can't tell a cat from a dog. is not necessarily any endorsement for being able to recognise a dog. I can assure you that anyone who is invited to judge at Crufts knows the difference between the gait of a cat and a dog that runs across the road in front of their car. I don't understand your hostility, is it a perceived class thing? Eh? Having been involved in show dogs for over 22 years I have met all levels of people from all sorts of backgrounds who have judged at Crufts. "Class" doesn't come into it except perhaps in your mind- it's a competence thing and many who have judged at crufts have never had the privilege of going over my dogs because I had no interest in their opinion. HOW I wish the Crufts judge who lived just up the lane from us was still alive. I can imagine her remarks if she saw this sort of nonsense from someone claiming to have judged at Crufts! Your reading of sentences is about as accurate as your husbands observations of small animals. I think your friend would have readily agreed with my comments. You on the other hand obviously know nothing about the dog show world. It's a fact that some people ....claim to.... have seen large cats, including my husband who is not given to an over-wrought imagination or taking fright in the dark. He's more than used to walking around in the pitch dark checking the nursery so a domestic cat is hardly likely to be an object of alarm and amazement. As somebody else has already explained in great detail the human cognitive system is very unreliable in certain situations and prone to exaggeration. -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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21-08-2010, 11:04 AM
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In message , Sacha
writes On 2010-08-20 12:05:26 +0100, hugh ] said: In message , Christina Websell writes IME people who are not used to seeing rats around always over-estimate their size when they've seen a glimpse of one. Likewise when people are startled when out at night. No-one of course will then admit to being scared by a pussy cat That's your personal experience, too, is it? How fortunate we are. I taught I taw a puddy cat .... -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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21-08-2010, 11:08 AM
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In message , Christina Websell
writes "®óñ© © ²°¹°" wrote in message .. . Certainly not an endorsement of their ability to recognise a normally- -configured dog. What, in your opinion, is a normally configured dog? Tina In this context it would be a dog which conformed in physical attributes to the standard for the breed laid down by the Kennel Club, Unfortunately in the show world the whole system is unstable with breeders being judges and judges being breeders. This invariably in almost all breed has led to exaggerations, some more serious than others. -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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21-08-2010, 11:17 AM
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In message , Christina Websell
writes "Bill Grey" wrote in message ... My labrador was entered at Crufts, an I sometimes think the judges look at the wrong end of the lead! Bill Unfortunately, I have to agree that this does happen sometimes. *If* the judge is not ethical and an exhibitor will soon be a judge at another championship show where they will be entering their own dog. My friend does not do that. Neither do I. I used to judge and gave best of breed to a dog that was winning a lot and had a big fault, purely because she was the best of a bad bunch. A common weakness amongst judges. All firsts look the same in the record books. You do have the option to withhold awards if you feel the dogs are not of a sufficiently good standard. I do know judges who have done that and whilst they attract hostility from the exhibitors on the day they do ultimately gain more respect and it never seemed to diminish their prospects of future invitations to judge I was horrified to find that when I entered my own dog when this person was judging some time later, I won my class and the report she sent to the dog newspapers - the dog's critique - was *identical* to the one I'd sent in for her dog, except of course she changed "her" to "him" Critiques quite often are full of all the expected clichés and bear little resemblance to the actual judging snip -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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21-08-2010, 11:20 AM
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In message , Christina Websell
writes "hugh" ] wrote in message ... From my experience having judged at Crufts Wow! You did? Fantastic! What breeds did you judge? It is really a lifetime achievement to do that. is not necessarily any endorsement for being able to recognise a dog. I can assure you that anyone who is invited to judge at Crufts knows the difference between the gait of a cat and a dog that runs across the road in front of their car. I don't understand your hostility, is it a perceived class thing? Your misreading of my sentence is an excellent example of how the mind can impose what it expects or wants to see on top of what it actually sees, very pertinent to this thread, just to get marginally back On Topic. -- hugh "Believe nothing. No matter where you read it, Or who said it, Even if I have said it, Unless it agrees with your own reason And your own common sense." Buddha |
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21-08-2010, 02:41 PM
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From my experience having judged at Crufts, I would have difficulty
in telling a house mouse from a tiger. Could we drop this inane thread? If anyone is planning on introducing big cats to the UK, they have my support, though realistically the best one would be the Eurasian lynx, which we direly need in areas of high muntjac and roe population. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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#45
21-08-2010, 03:04 PM
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On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:50:00 +0100, Janet wrote:
In article , says... On 2010-08-21 11:02:40 +0100, hugh ] said: As somebody else has already explained in great detail the human cognitive system is very unreliable in certain situations and prone to exaggeration. Indeed you are - "From my experience having judged at Crufts", for example. But of course - it's everyone else that's wrong. In this case, you. Hugh said: "From my experience having judged at Crufts is not necessarily any endorsement for being able to recognise a dog." He is obviously not criticising himself as a Crufts judge (or claiming to be one). He's expressing an opinion of Crufts judges based on his experience of them. Hm, for the want of a comma the sense is lost. -- (¯`·. ®óñ© © ²°¹° .·´¯) |
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