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Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
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On my property I have plenty of hornbeam and dogwood transplants as well as some oak, dog rose and some other native plants. I would like to plant a 50 meters long hedge and I would like it to be about 1.5-2 meters high in 2-4 years. I would like it to be informal, natural looking hedge that I would trim once or mostly twice per year. Would it work if I mix hornbeam with dogwood and other plants, or should I use hornbeam only since I have it most? Should I plant in one or two rows, and how many plants per meter? Thanks a lot, Mountain |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
"mountain_spring" wrote in message ... Hello, On my property I have plenty of hornbeam and dogwood transplants as well as some oak, dog rose and some other native plants. I would like to plant a 50 meters long hedge and I would like it to be about 1.5-2 meters high in 2-4 years. I would like it to be informal, natural looking hedge that I would trim once or mostly twice per year. Would it work if I mix hornbeam with dogwood and other plants, or should I use hornbeam only since I have it most? Should I plant in one or two rows, and how many plants per meter? Thanks a lot, Mountain As I understand it, hornbeam is relatively slow growing, giving a particularly heavy wood for fuel purposes. Dogwood is fast growing and suckers horrendously. Of course, a lot depends on your soil, but I would accompany your hornbeam with hazel, hawthorn and blackthorn - almost anything but dogwood I would say... (But I'm not a butterfly, so perhaps one or two.) S |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
On 18 Sep, 18:24, mountain_spring mountain_spring.
wrote: Hello, On my property I have plenty of hornbeam and dogwood transplants as well as some oak, dog rose and some other native plants. I would like to plant a 50 meters long hedge and I would like it to be about 1.5-2 meters high in 2-4 years. I would like it to be informal, natural looking hedge that I would trim once or mostly twice per year. Would it work if I mix hornbeam with dogwood and other plants, or should I use hornbeam only since I have it most? Should I plant in one or two rows, and how many plants per meter? Thanks a lot, Mountain -- mountain_spring Natural hedges are one of the latest crazes with the planners these days. You need a double row @ 450mm centres. Hawthorn, holly, hazel, elderbery etc. It needs leaving 'til its about five or six feet high & then "laying" by bending the stems over horizontal. They might need a nick to make tem stay down. This gives a dense hedge that is more security proof than barbed wire. You don't want dogwood, not native & runs amok with suckers. |
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The red-stemmed White Dogweed, Cornus alba, isn't native, but from the the fact that the OP has a lot of dogwood suggests he isn't talking about this one. |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
On 19 Sep, 09:16, harry wrote:
You need a double row @ 450mm centres. Hawthorn, holly, hazel, elderbery etc. *It needs leaving 'til its about five or six feet high & then "laying" by bending the stems over horizontal. They might need a nick to make tem stay down. *This gives a dense hedge that is more security proof than barbed wire. You don't want dogwood, not native & runs amok with suckers. Yes, yes and yes. Hornbeam can be VERY slow compared to the others. I'd establish hazel and hawthorn, and plant the Hornbeam & Holly as 'standards', rather than including them in the laying. Then add dog rose 10 years later to work it's way in and out. Blackthorn will spread and sucker all over the place, but I do like it a lot, the blossom is fantastic, as is the hawthorn. Your choice. |
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Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
On 19 Sep, 10:32, bobharvey wrote:
On 19 Sep, 09:16, harry wrote: You need a double row @ 450mm centres. Hawthorn, holly, hazel, elderbery etc. *It needs leaving 'til its about five or six feet high & then "laying" by bending the stems over horizontal. They might need a nick to make tem stay down. *This gives a dense hedge that is more security proof than barbed wire. You don't want dogwood, not native & runs amok with suckers. Yes, yes and yes. Hornbeam can be VERY slow compared to the others. *I'd establish hazel and hawthorn, and plant the Hornbeam & Holly as 'standards', rather than including them in the laying. *Then add dog rose 10 years later to work it's way in and out. *Blackthorn will spread and sucker all over the place, but I do like it a lot, the blossom is fantastic, as is the hawthorn. *Your choice. There is no way I would plant Elderberry in a young hedge, it would swamp its neighbours in no time. I would be tempted to add some lonicera nitidia after around 3 years, just stick in cuttings in the autumn, this would give some evergreen cover for the birds in winter. I did this to my hawthorne hedge and had around 80% take. Why not add a couple of Bird Cherry as standards as well David Hill |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
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writes harry;900740 Wrote: You don't want dogwood, not native & runs amok with suckers. Are you sure about that? According to Stace (accepted as the authority on the British flora) both Dogwood, Cornus sanguinea, and the creeping dwarf cornel, Cornus suecica, are native. The red-stemmed White Dogweed, Cornus alba, isn't native, but from the the fact that the OP has a lot of dogwood suggests he isn't talking about this one. Looking up I the distribution maps I was surprised to find that Cornus sericea (commoner than its close relative Cornus alba) is considerably less widespread that Cornus sanguinea, as, around here, I had the impression that the two species were about equally common. But, as both are used in amenity plantings it is difficult to distinguish "wild" specimens from "cultivated" ones. Alternatively, my identification of the species when not fruiting may not be reliable. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
"harry" wrote in message ... On 18 Sep, 18:24, mountain_spring mountain_spring. wrote: Hello, On my property I have plenty of hornbeam and dogwood transplants as well as some oak, dog rose and some other native plants. I would like to plant a 50 meters long hedge and I would like it to be about 1.5-2 meters high in 2-4 years. I would like it to be informal, natural looking hedge that I would trim once or mostly twice per year. Would it work if I mix hornbeam with dogwood and other plants, or should I use hornbeam only since I have it most? Should I plant in one or two rows, and how many plants per meter? Thanks a lot, Mountain -- mountain_spring Natural hedges are one of the latest crazes with the planners these days. You need a double row @ 450mm centres. Hawthorn, holly, hazel, elderbery etc. It needs leaving 'til its about five or six feet high & then "laying" by bending the stems over horizontal. They might need a nick to make tem stay down. This gives a dense hedge that is more security proof than barbed wire. You don't want dogwood, not native & runs amok with suckers. Dogwood is native, and is OK if left alone, but if you start cutting it, it suckers very badly and can take over whole hillsides - one big 'scrub bashing' mistake, was cutting it down rather than winching it out. "Another earlier name of the dogwood in English is the whipple-tree. Geoffrey Chaucer uses the word whippletree in The Canterbury Tales ("The Knight's Tale", verse 2065) to refer to the dogwood" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogwood When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most basic facts? S |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
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[...] When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most basic facts? They do it expressly to annoy you, of course. Since you have an internet connection, you have the opportunity to learn how people in amiable groups like this one usually talk to one another. Check it out: the skill is transferable, and could pay dividends in your non-Usenet life. -- Mike. |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Spamlet wrote: [...] When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most basic facts? They do it expressly to annoy you, of course. Since you have an internet connection, you have the opportunity to learn how people in amiable groups like this one usually talk to one another. Check it out: the skill is transferable, and could pay dividends in your non-Usenet life. -- Mike. As it happens this is the only usenet group where I have actually found any rude people. S |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
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writes "Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Spamlet wrote: [...] When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most basic facts? They do it expressly to annoy you, of course. Since you have an internet connection, you have the opportunity to learn how people in amiable groups like this one usually talk to one another. Check it out: the skill is transferable, and could pay dividends in your non-Usenet life. -- Mike. As it happens this is the only usenet group where I have actually found any rude people. You know, I didn't find your earlier ignoring of the context of my words in order to post a faux correction to be the epitome of politeness. As for your earlier question, there's a relevant quotation from Mark Twain, that goes, roughly, it's not what you don't know that's the problem, it's what you know that ain't so. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On 20 Sep, 03:34, "Spamlet" wrote:
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Spamlet wrote: [...] When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most basic facts? They do it expressly to annoy you, of course. Since you have an internet connection, you have the opportunity to learn how people in amiable groups like this one usually talk to one another. Check it out: the skill is transferable, and could pay dividends in your non-Usenet life. -- Mike. As it happens this is the only usenet group where I have actually found any rude people. S - Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Must be the only one youu're in then :-) |
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As it happens this is the only usenet group where I have actually found any rude people. You can't have looked very far, then. |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
On 20 Sep, 03:34, "Spamlet" wrote:
"Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Spamlet wrote: [...] When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most basic facts? They do it expressly to annoy you, of course. Since you have an internet connection, you have the opportunity to learn how people in amiable groups like this one usually talk to one another. Check it out: the skill is transferable, and could pay dividends in your non-Usenet life. -- Mike. As it happens this is the only usenet group where I have actually found any rude people. you've /really/ not been looking, have you? |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Spamlet writes "Mike Lyle" wrote in message ... Spamlet wrote: [...] When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most basic facts? They do it expressly to annoy you, of course. Since you have an internet connection, you have the opportunity to learn how people in amiable groups like this one usually talk to one another. Check it out: the skill is transferable, and could pay dividends in your non-Usenet life. -- Mike. As it happens this is the only usenet group where I have actually found any rude people. You know, I didn't find your earlier ignoring of the context of my words in order to post a faux correction to be the epitome of politeness. As for your earlier question, there's a relevant quotation from Mark Twain, that goes, roughly, it's not what you don't know that's the problem, it's what you know that ain't so. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Hi Stewart, On the contrary on the first part (sorry but over my head on the second), I wasn't intending any 'correction' of your comments: which have all been interesting and knowledgeable. If you are the BSBI member I take you to be, you will be as aware of the reporting of finds from gardens as I am. Others, happening across this group as I did, might not be aware of the possibility of finding an important 'weed' in their garden though, so I just took the opportunity of giving them a plug. As I have been housebound and rather out of any sort of surveying - other than of the bugs and weeds that turn up indoors - lately (particularly galling in what appears to be an excellent fungi season) I have been missing out on BSBI - and even the local BNA, news, so your input here has been appreciated. Regards, S |
hello all,
sorry to jump in on this thread but my question though hedge related isn't specifically re this thread. I have recently come across a hedging described as "Wonder hedge" a Turkestan elm which would be ideal for quickly filling the wind tunnel of a hole in my current hedge. is there a catch ? i'm fearing japanes knotweed, himalayan balsam leylandii etc. or is it not too good to be true. any one had a go wit it apologies forbutting in darto x |
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And what I have is hornbeam and dogwood which is native for this region of Croatia where my 6acre property is located. On web I couldn't find anything about mixing hornbeam and dogwood particularly, so if you have checked all the basic facts about that, please let me know. Otherwise, I think that in specific situations like this it is best to ask experienced people, and I guess there is some on forum. Should I mix hornbeam and dogwood in hedge and in what way? Should I use them separately for different hedges on property? Thanks, Martin |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
On 21 Sep, 17:40, Darto wrote:
hello all, sorry to jump in on this thread but my question though hedge related isn't specifically re this thread. I have recently come across a hedging described as "Wonder hedge" a Turkestan elm which would be ideal for quickly filling the wind tunnel of a hole in my current hedge. is there a catch ? i'm fearing japanes knotweed, himalayan balsam leylandii etc. or is it not too good to be true. any one had a go wit it apologies forbutting in darto x Interesting. I've been to the web site, and have the following thoughts: 1. I agree with you, importing non-native plants should be done with caution 2. If it grows 1.5 metres in the first year, presumably it does the same every year after that? You'd have to keep on top of that! |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
On 22 Sep, 10:06, bobharvey wrote:
On 21 Sep, 17:40, Darto wrote: hello all, sorry to jump in on this thread but my question though hedge related isn't specifically re this thread. I have recently come across a hedging described as "Wonder hedge" a Turkestan elm which would be ideal for quickly filling the wind tunnel of a hole in my current hedge. is there a catch ? i'm fearing japanes knotweed, himalayan balsam leylandii etc. or is it not too good to be true. any one had a go wit it apologies forbutting in darto x Interesting. *I've been to the web site, and have the following thoughts: 1. *I agree with you, importing non-native plants should be done with caution 2. *If it grows 1.5 metres in the first year, presumably it does the same every year after that? *You'd have to keep on top of that! Ah yes. Just found this on the web site: http://www.wonderhedge.co.uk/sovenyg.../dscf4269.html |
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, bobharvey writes On 22 Sep, 10:06, bobharvey wrote: On 21 Sep, 17:40, Darto wrote: hello all, sorry to jump in on this thread but my question though hedge related isn't specifically re this thread. I have recently come across a hedging described as "Wonder hedge" a Turkestan elm which would be ideal for quickly filling the wind tunnel of a hole in my current hedge. is there a catch ? i'm fearing japanes knotweed, himalayan balsam leylandii etc. or is it not too good to be true. any one had a go wit it apologies forbutting in darto x Interesting. *I've been to the web site, and have the following thoughts: 1. *I agree with you, importing non-native plants should be done with caution 2. *If it grows 1.5 metres in the first year, presumably it does the same every year after that? *You'd have to keep on top of that! Ah yes. Just found this on the web site: http://www.wonderhedge.co.uk/sovenyg.../dscf4269.html The plant being talked about is Ulmus pumila. The Wikipedia article isn't very positive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulmus_pumila It is being marketed as Ulmus pumila celer. As far as I can tell the varietal name hasn't been formally published, but I presume that this is a fast growing selection of the species. I'd guess that you'd treat it like a beech hedge. If properly trimmed (some) elms do make decent hedges. (I don't know what species occurs in hedges around here - as a free growing plant Ulmus glabra is much the commoner, but the form of the leaves changes when trimmed, and I'm don't know whether the hedge elms are Ulmus glabra or Ulmus procera.) -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Hedge - Mixing Hornbeam and Dogwood
"mountain_spring" wrote in message ... Spamlet;900794 Wrote: "harry" wrote in message ...- When you have an internet connection why can you not check your most basic facts?S - The thing is that I would like to use resource that I already have on my property which was not used for few years so instead of cutting everything that is grown naturally, I've chose to use what I have and also save money. And what I have is hornbeam and dogwood which is native for this region of Croatia where my 6acre property is located. On web I couldn't find anything about mixing hornbeam and dogwood particularly, so if you have checked all the basic facts about that, please let me know. Otherwise, I think that in specific situations like this it is best to ask experienced people, and I guess there is some on forum. Should I mix hornbeam and dogwood in hedge and in what way? Should I use them separately for different hedges on property? Thanks, Martin Apologies Martin, How interesting to hear from Croatia! Unfortunately, my one friend who might have had a good answer for you was brought up in Slovenia/Croatia, but has now decamped to farming in New Zealand, and we've got out of touch. Her stories of the wonderful plants and wildlife in her home land always made me wonder what on earth brought her to the UK (before the awful troubles). You are in one of Europe's key areas of floristic richness, so it is good to hear you want to use native local stock. Probably your best bet is to have a wander around and see what is the range of species in the better of the hedges in your area. You could certainly pull off suckers from the dogwood to start your hedge off, and in the meantime collect fruits from other hedges with different species, and start your own nursery of local strains, to add interest to your hedge as you go. (A number of groups in the UK have started their own nurseries raising hedging plants from locally collected fruits, and you may even find there are similar groups in your country. Andrew Bowman-Shaw in my area, some years back organised local school children to collect from local hedgerows to make a stock of hedging plants. A quick Googling shows he seems to be doing well: http://www.hortweek.com/channel/Arbo...erloaded-work/ ) Here is a link to pages on the Croatian Flora: you may find more useful links from there. http://www.botanic.hr/cisb/Edoc/flora/flora.htm (I have a few little books on the flora, but can't read them myself I'm afraid: pictures are nice though:-) Good luck. S |
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