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On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:56:46 +0100, Sacha wrote:

The a.hole has form including a jail sentence from which he was
released with conditions to return. He never complied.Bloody hell!

Why?

Why, was he released or Why, didn't he comply. The latter is obvious
the a.hole doesn't have any respect for any body or their property.
He does what he wants, when he wants. Jail isn't really going to
change him, pillory might but...

The former well we have gone too soft these days IMHO, right from the
cradle, with parents not educating their kids on "right" and "wrong",
not administering any form of meaningful punishment or worse leaving
it for school to do, by which time it's too late.

But I'm so glad he's been caught and we can hope he'll go to jail for
enough time to allow all of you to organise a neighbourhood watch scheme
that's effective and enough to put him off trying it on again.


I do hope he goes down but he'll be back out and he won't have
changed his ways. He seems a nasty enough piece of work to survive
quite well in prison, he'll be kept warm and fed at our expense.

It makes me mad to hear people moaning that the police do nothing when
they have to stand there and take that kind of treatment. The police
barely have time to draw breath before they're abused and assaulted yet
again. A little less bleeding heart and a bit more "we won't put up
with this from anyone" on the part of everybody seems to be required.


Quite, where is the water cannon, tear gas and batton charges. That's
how they dealt with riots in the 60's. I was very old, 10, but sort
of remember them. Any one in the rioting crowd is a rioter, If they
aren't a rioter why haven't they got the F out of there, any sensible
person would.

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I'm confused, how long has Jersey been in South Devon?

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Same here, Janet. If you don't want to put the make on the group,
could you email me please?
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Will do Sacha and Pete just emailed him to find out for you but possibly
they are out running at the moment.
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Quite, where is the water cannon, tear gas and batton charges. That's
how they dealt with riots in the 60's. I was very old, 10, but sort
of remember them. Any one in the rioting crowd is a rioter, If they
aren't a rioter why haven't they got the F out of there, any sensible
person would.



I'd use indelible green paint fired by water cannons just so you can
find the little oiks afterwards!

I think there will be many troublemakers who are deliberately going into
these areas from miles away to cause mayhem and a bit of looting on the
side. Sad really, the communities will suffer.


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In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice writes
Quite, where is the water cannon, tear gas and batton charges. That's
how they dealt with riots in the 60's. I was very old, 10, but sort
of remember them. Any one in the rioting crowd is a rioter, If they
aren't a rioter why haven't they got the F out of there, any sensible
person would.



I'd use indelible green paint fired by water cannons just so you can
find the little oiks afterwards!


I would cause a bit of a problem with the clean up if you couldn't
clean away the green paint. tottenham would be rather green now :-)



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Martin wrote:

I saw the German police suppressing a student demonstration in
Frankfurt in the late 1960s. I think the same sort of show of
overwhelming force would soon stop what is going on in London at the
moment.


I suggest studying a bit of history. These riots are an inevitable
consequence of the policies of the past 25 years, which is when
some of us started predicting them. I wasn't expecting them to
explode quite like this, but was not in the slightest surprised.
Whether or not using massive violence to suppress them worked,
it would assuredly not stop them recurring. The only solution
is to remove the root causes, rather than fuel them (which is
the current policy).


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.


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I've got a friend in High Wycombe who had his car set about with a meat
cleaver , the bloke even stood on the bonnet to hammer the rood!

Also in High Wycombe friends had their car set alight parked directly in
the drive under their daughter's window.

They had bought it from a garage and he suspected that it had been a write
off after an accident once he had driven it home and had a chance to take
a really good look, so he had reported it to the police. (He was a car
mechanic)


I surprised a T Leaf attempting to break into my garage one night about
10pm. He scarpered when I switched on the security light, before doing
too much damage. Cops came quickly and called up the dog man, but he
failed to pick up a trail (unlike the movies).

When the cops arrived they asked what I kept in my garage, and I said a
few gardening tools and equipment.
"Have you got a car"?
"Yes, in the garage".

They seemed amazed to be told that I keep my car in the garage, so I asked
where else would I keep it!


Most people round here don't keep their cars in the garage because they just
can't get them in. Our estate was built in 1980, and cars have got wider
since then. My next-door neighbour did drive his into his garage one day,
but found he couldn't open the door wide enough to get out.

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"Sacha" wrote in message
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On 2011-08-07 13:08:14 +0100, "harryagain" said:


"Baz" wrote in message
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Martin wrote in
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On Sun, 7 Aug 2011 09:43:39 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 2011-08-07 09:25:30 +0100, Martin said:

On Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:48:38 +0100, Sacha wrote:

On 2011-08-07 08:15:44 +0100, Baz said:

Yesterday the OH and me were in the front garden doing some
weeding when a chap came to me, treading on plants and with a
dodgy attitude asked if I wanted him to fix my roof! I said there
is nothing wrong with the roof and if there was I could fix it. He
went on to ask if I wanted the garden digging! Then did I want the
plastic window frames cleaning! He wouldn't take no for an answer.
Unknown to me the OH recognised him from last year when he was
stealing wheelie bins and rang the police. While undesired man and
me were talking OH passed me the phone out of the window and was
surprised to be talking to the police(as I didn't know she had
rang them). I quickly got the gist and gave them a reg. no. of a
pickup truck which I thought must have been his, he ran off
immediatly.

6.30 this morning we were going out for the day. No chance. 8
slashed tyres and DEEP scratches to the bodywork of our cars.

I feel like giving in! For F**ks sake. We both have to go to work
tomorrow.

Baz

What a horrible thing to happen. It's only upside is that the
police have his reg.no. and know he's operating in your area. CCTV
camera installation, perhaps?

We have had tyres slashed too. Our new car has no spare wheel just a
sophisticated puncture outfit made for holes less than 3mm. I
spotted this after I had bought the car. The salesman said a survey
had shown that customers didn't need a spare wheel anymore!

!! What utter madness. When I picked up a horseshoe nail in one tyre,
I certainly needed a spare. I've had 3 puncture altogether with this
car, having never had one in my life before!

Ignoring slashed tyres, we have been averaging a puncture a year,
mainly from wood screws which I suspect vandals have screwed into the
tyres. Things have got better since the local yob has found a job.

Let me tell you that this has scared us both half to death here, the
scroat has crept up during the night and caused thousands of pounds
worth
of damage and we didn't hear a thing. Imagine if he wanted to do US
harm.
I don't know where the money is going to come from but we have to get
some quality recordable security here. Today if I can. The police are
going to talk with us later on today about security.

Baz

Cheapest is to get a fake camera.


What on earth is the use of that when they want to catch and STOP a
criminal?!
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Burglary/vandalism cannot be prevented in our scumbag loving society.
The point is deterrence with all buglar stuff. They don't know it's fake.
They go away and do a neighbour instead.
They always go for the easy option being idle toerags.

Don't you know anything?


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On 08/08/2011 22:53, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 22:41:48 +0100, wrote:

On 2011-08-08 20:04:21 +0100, "Dave Liquorice"
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On Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:56:46 +0100, Sacha wrote:

Quite, where is the water cannon, tear gas and batton charges. That's
how they dealt with riots in the 60's. I was very old,10, but sort
of remember them. Any one in the rioting crowd is a rioter, If they
aren't a rioter why haven't they got the F out of there, any sensible
person would.


I'm assuming the answer to all this is to prevent escalation of things
that are already bad.


CS gas would probably stop people from systematically looting the larger
shops though. They will have to do something forceful to regain control
of the streets from the mob and it isn't going to be pretty.

I saw the German police suppressing a student demonstration in
Frankfurt in the late 1960s. I think the same sort of show of
overwhelming force would soon stop what is going on in London at the
moment.


Since the police are so short handed in London they could always ask the
Paris riot police to come over and help out. They are always tooled up
in their black armoured coaches and ready for a good riot.

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On 2011-08-08 18:30:38 +0100, Baz said:

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This man is now in custody.
Baz

Good news.


I went to the court this morning to see that monster.

He has so many things against him in his past and with loads of
convictions, including violence and he is remanded in custody.

The a.hole has form including a jail sentence from which he was

released
with conditions to return. He never complied.Bloody hell! Why?

Baz


I don't know what that means? He was supposed to hand himself over if
he re-offended or was caught doing so? He was supposed to 'sign in' at
the local police station once a day/week/month? Whatever it was, he
doesn't sound like the type who's going to be too bothered about
complying with anything. But I'm so glad he's been caught and we can
hope he'll go to jail for enough time to allow all of you to organise a
neighbourhood watch scheme that's effective and enough to put him off
trying it on again.

I'm getting quite irritable, not to say bloody annoyed, at reading
criticism of the police handling of the current riots. Firstly,
whatever they do, they seem to be damned by doing too much by one side
or not enough by another. Secondly, people complain about not seeing
enough police when 'incidents' occur. Well, hello, moan about this in
'peacetime' and not when it's too late and moan to the politicians who
advocate soft sentencing and going easy on users of drugs. Thirdly,
the rioters we're seeing now aren't doing this because someone's
holding a gun to their heads, they're doing it because they want to.
And tonight, live on tv, we saw transmissions of the police having
things hurled at them by yobs breaking into vehicles and trying to
stove in windows in their spare time. It makes me mad to hear people
moaning that the police do nothing when they have to stand there and
take that kind of treatment. The police barely have time to draw
breath before they're abused and assaulted yet again. A little less
bleeding heart and a bit more "we won't put up with this from anyone"
on the part of everybody seems to be required.


Sacha,
According to what was said in court he was given 2 years in 2008 for
Actual Bodily Harm. During his sentence he was moved to an open prison
because of good behaviour. He later earned the right to have a few days
at home with the promise of him returning to prison to complete his
sentence. He didn't return.
I was talking to an official at court and he said that a 2 year sentence
means 10 months of actual prison. The reasons I didn't quite understand
but a sentence is cut in half, in this case to 1 year and he would have
the last 2 months at home with electronic tagging. A bit confusing, but
that is what I understood.
I really hope you understand that I am not criticising the police, far
from it. The police caught him and it is the do-gooders we call
magistrates who are clearly at fault. They think leniency is going to
work for a very very nasty individual who has easilly fooled them with a
bit of charm and a sob story.

Baz


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In message , Sacha
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On 2011-08-08 16:46:25 +0100, Baz said:

Gordon H wrote in news:bK+a$kLcm
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In message , Janet Tweedy
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I've got a friend in High Wycombe who had his car set about with a
meat
cleaver , the bloke even stood on the bonnet to hammer the rood!
Also in High Wycombe friends had their car set alight parked
directly
in the drive under their daughter's window.
They had bought it from a garage and he suspected that it had been
a
write off after an accident once he had driven it home and had a chance
to take a really good look, so he had reported it to the police. (He
was a car mechanic)
I surprised a T Leaf attempting to break into my garage one night
about
10pm. He scarpered when I switched on the security light, before
doing too much damage. Cops came quickly and called up the dog man,
but he failed to pick up a trail (unlike the movies).
When the cops arrived they asked what I kept in my garage, and I
said a
few gardening tools and equipment.
"Have you got a car"?
"Yes, in the garage".
They seemed amazed to be told that I keep my car in the garage, so

asked where else would I keep it!

Sometimes you may have to put up with, what seems like stupidity
from the
police, stupid questions and hold them inside. Most times the old bill will
have a reason, and that may be that you should not be there, or the twit is
still at large, or both. Most of them are far from stupid.
Baz


It would be an amazement with me. I've rarely had a garage in any
house but when I have it's always been too full of 'stuff' to hold a
car. ;-)


In that case it is not a garage, it is a junk store. ;-)
Yes,- I've seen inside some of my neighbours' "garages".
I believe that cars which are not garaged should attract a much higher
insurance premium.
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"Gordon H" wrote

They seemed amazed to be told that I keep my car in the garage, so I
asked where else would I keep it!


Most people round here don't keep their cars in the garage because they
just can't get them in. Our estate was built in 1980, and cars have
got wider since then. My next-door neighbour did drive his into his
garage one day, but found he couldn't open the door wide enough to get
out.

I struggled with my Cavalier when I only had a 16' x 8' garage, but I
managed to reverse in and squeeze out of the door.

When I replaced it with a concrete garage I got a 20' x 10' and chose
the wider door option. I can get the Mondeo in easily with a work
bench at the rear and shelves on each side, plus a tumble dryer.

Did I mention the shredder, power washer, leaf blower?
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I know that I'm glad I don't live near the sort of person who's too
cheap to use a real deterrent, hoping the scumbags will "do a neighbour
instead."


I use a real deterrent and it helped to identify two youths, but I am
happy to say that I look after my own security and it's up to the
neighbours to look after theirs.
One couple had a narrow escape from injury when a youth jumped into the
open door of their car and reversed off their drive WHILST THEY WERE
CLEANING IT! The keys were in the ignition... Duh!

I had spotted a group of lads and started recording them because they
were strangers and were hanging around at the end of my drive, and I
caught a rather poor image of them, which I reported it to the couple.
By the time the police approached me it was weeks later and I had
deleted the images...

On more that one occasion where car theft has occurred within sight of
my property I have been asked "Did you get anything on your cameras"?

My answer is sorry, - they cover only my own property, to have a camera
covering public space you require authorisation.
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On 09/08/2011 09:59, in article , "Sacha"
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I know that I'm glad I don't live near the sort of person who's too
cheap to use a real deterrent, hoping the scumbags will "do a neighbour
instead."


Nothing to do with being cheap. If your house is less defended than your
neighbours, they will go for you. So you make sure your house is better
defended. You will probably advise your neighbours to do the same - so the
burglaries will then happen on the estate down the road instead. The fact
that you don't know the people on the estate merely disguises that what
you're really doing is not reducing crime but displacing it elsewhere.

Spot on! I tried to start a Homewatch group on my road, and posted
about 100 leaflets through the 100 letterboxes.
Ironically, at least three of the houses had front doors left ajar . . .

Of the 100, only 19 people attended a meeting addressed by the police.
I was given Homewatch stickers in bulk and I once again typed out an
invitation to contact me for a sticker and to express interest in a
further meeting, and posted it through every door.

I had one response from an elderly gentleman who limped to my house to
tell me, and a phone call from a lady who said she could do stuff on her
computer if I wanted. :-)

I resolved to step up my own defences and forget the rest....
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Meanwhile the Dutch DPP has decided that people, who post photos of
uncaught intruders & thieves on Internet won't always be prosecuted
for intrusion of privacy


I wouldn't do that! I have handed a tape, and photograph on
different occasions to the police, but to stick it on the Internet tells
everyone who took the photograph, with the danger of retaliation.
They know where you live, but you don't know where they live. ;-)


People get fed up with the police doing nothing.


All sweeping generalisations are incorrect. ;-)
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