"ARWadsworth" wrote in message
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Bill Grey wrote:
"The Grey Man" wrote in message
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On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
sorry for them.

Are you for real?


It may well be a gut feeling for many to feel they got what they
deserved, and theft is a deplorable offence. We've left the days of
"let the punishment fit the crime" long ago.


Thank **** for that.

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Adam

Your contribution has resulted in your being kill-filed.

Bill

In message , kay
writes

Frank Erskine;947799 Wrote:


I'm afraid that I don't subscribe to the view that once you've served
a sentence you're as clean as the man next door, which effectively
"commercialises" crime by giving it a specific "price" as punishment.


But how can you do otherwise? Have a lottery where one day a shoplifter
might get a life sentence, and the next day a serial murderer gets a
£50
fine? The whole idea of making the punishment commensurate to the crime
does put a price (or at least a price range) on it.

But I think you were perhaps referring to the Rehabilitation of
Offenders Act whereby after a period your crime may be "spent" and you
no longer have to declare it on job applications. It takes a time for
your crime to be "spent" and many ever are.


IIRC only non-custodial crimes are ever "spent"




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In message , kay
writes

Frank Erskine;947799 Wrote:


I'm afraid that I don't subscribe to the view that once you've served
a sentence you're as clean as the man next door, which effectively
"commercialises" crime by giving it a specific "price" as punishment.


But how can you do otherwise? Have a lottery where one day a shoplifter
might get a life sentence, and the next day a serial murderer gets a
£50
fine? The whole idea of making the punishment commensurate to the crime
does put a price (or at least a price range) on it.

But I think you were perhaps referring to the Rehabilitation of
Offenders Act whereby after a period your crime may be "spent" and you
no longer have to declare it on job applications. It takes a time for
your crime to be "spent" and many ever are.


IIRC only non-custodial crimes are ever "spent"

Nope. Prison sentences shorter than two and a half years become spent
after a certain period. Sentences longer than that, don't.

Janet

On 21/01/2012 22:26, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In ,
Steve writes:
On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
Not for the faint hearted this one!
http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0


Judging by the dried foam on his head

Remains of their hats

Look again at the fifth photo and you will see that there is some dried
foam on a remaining unburnt piece of his red hat.

On Jan 22, 6:57*pm, The Grey Man wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC),

(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
sorry for them.

Are you for real?

He's humane. How can you triumph in the death of these people? Do
you know their backstories? Do you know if they'd done this before?
Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
their children / wife / family? No, you don't. It sickens me when
people gloat about the death of anyone. These men had the same human
value as you and I. Even if there is no sob story behind their lives,
they were just in it to make some quick money, and had no family that
cared about them there is no reason to gloat.

"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes
me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know
for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne.

Matt

On Jan 23, 10:00*am, larkim wrote:
On Jan 22, 6:57*pm, The Grey Man wrote:

On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 22:58:17 +0000 (UTC),

(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:
I know it's difficult to sympathise with someone cut down by their
own criminal actions, but it's not a crime for which anyone is going
to suggest a death sentence is appropriate. So in the sense that
they didn't get a chance to serve their sentence and didn't get a
chance to go on to become reformed upright citizens, I do feel
sorry for them.

Are you for real?

He's humane. *How can you triumph in the death of these people? *Do
you know their backstories? *Do you know if they'd done this before?
Do you know if they were doing it because someone was threatening
their children / wife / family? *No, you don't. *It sickens me when
people gloat about the death of anyone. *These men had the same human
value as you and I. *Even if there is no sob story behind their lives,
they were just in it to make some quick money, and had no family that
cared about them there is no reason to gloat.

"No man is an Island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the
Continent, a part of the main; if a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a
manor of thy friends or of thine own were; any man's death diminishes
me, because I am involved in Mankind; And therefore never send to know
for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee." John Donne.

Matt

Once you get a certain number of scum loose in any society, it will
fail.
There are too many non-productive idle *******s in our own society who
somehow seem to think they deserve a living without working.
Well two less to pass on their faulty genes.
What happened to them arose because they had never been taught about
consequences.

In article , Steve O
scribeth thus
On 20/01/2012 18:51, harry wrote:
Not for the faint hearted this one!
http://www.thegaragegazette.com/index.php?topic=8130.0


Judging by the dried foam on his head and the fire spread, it looks as
if these two were still alight or smouldering nicely when the emergency
services arrived.
I think it would be useful for police to consider using these images in
a warning campaign to deter metal thieves.


They know what there're doing, and they know that getting killed is a
risk they take, but that doesn't stop them.

We had a comms site a while ago where they took SIX inches yes 6 inches
of earthing braid, thats like what connects car batteries to the
metalwork of the car in older vehicles.

What that was worth I don't know. Hardly worth the fuel to drive out to
a lone hill top and nick just that. Fuel, I wonder where they got that
from;-?...

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Tony Sayer

On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 20:34:07 -0000, "Bill Grey"
wrote:

The Electricity supply industry
near me had a primary substaton surrounded by an 8 ft high Lochrin fence.
This wasn't enough to prevent thieves getting in to the substation, so coils
of razor wire were installed inside the Lochrin fencing as were signs
warning thieves of the presence of the razor wire!!!

Not only did the thieves die, but the families, presumably innocent,
suffered a life long loss. This is the sad bit.

They bled to death because of the razor wire or did they somehow get
past that?


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On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:33:24 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too.

I can see that if you attended an American or
American-funded/influenced school, but the metre was standard spelling
in the UK back then.

On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:11:56 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

Once you get a certain number of scum loose in any society, it will
fail.
There are too many non-productive idle *******s in our own society who
somehow seem to think they deserve a living without working.

See that? That's a huge irony, that is. If the idle useless scum had
put as much effort into doing something legit, they'd have been better
off (apart from being not dead, that is) - ffs, going round knocking
doors asking for tidying work, painting fences, car washing, window
cleaning, bit of brain surgery on the side, anything to make a few
quid.

In article ,
wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:33:24 +0000 (GMT), charles
wrote:

in my school days (1950s), the Meter was a unit of length, too.

I can see that if you attended an American or
American-funded/influenced school, but the metre was standard spelling
in the UK back then.

no - it was very British - but I suppose our physics text books might have
been American - but I doubt it since they dealt with the cgs system (which
the American had probably never hear of)

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Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16

On 23/01/2012 12:33, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:11:56 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Once you get a certain number of scum loose in any society, it will
fail.
There are too many non-productive idle *******s in our own society who
somehow seem to think they deserve a living without working.

See that? That's a huge irony, that is. If the idle useless scum had
put as much effort into doing something legit, they'd have been better
off (apart from being not dead, that is) - ffs, going round knocking
doors asking for tidying work, painting fences, car washing, window
cleaning, bit of brain surgery on the side, anything to make a few
quid.

Ah the great God the Quid eh?

In article 9e3a51ee-83ea-4b24-b742-0ca865077ac3
@b23g2000yqn.googlegroups.com, says...

Once you get a certain number of scum loose in any society, it will
fail.

Well, we don't all take the same view on who are the scum tearing
society apart.

Janet

On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 13:13:30 +0000, Jim wrote:

Ah the great God the Quid eh?

Well, they weren't attempting to nick the copper to use as decorative
trim on their kitchen cabinets, were they?

In article ,
Huge wrote:
Nowadays, owners of dangerous equipment such as high voltage overhead
lines or underground cables, have to protect the offenders agianst
their own stupidity.

Not in my world. Stupidity is a capital offence.

Then the world would be empty, except for the hangman. So who would hang
him?

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*Red meat is not bad for you. Fuzzy green meat is bad for you.

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