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Eloise 01-04-2012 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry Fields (Post 954699)
Eloise wrote:
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Not a gardening answer, I'm afraid, but more of a legal one in the
form of a question: are you sure your Council is banning a
*replacement* fence? The regulations might not permit new fences of
the height of your old one, but you may have acquired some form of
'right' to replace like with like.

Might save the decision over what to plant in its place...

PS: I wouldn't necessarily trust what a local council says, and some
Googling might help. You could also pose a question about your
situation on uk.legal.moderated.

Terry Fields

Hi Terry

Thanks so much for your reply. But, the council was very strict on this replacement fence. The boundary wall, of course is stone, and as they said, "would not be allowed today." :(

I hadn't thought of questioning their response, I will ask on the website you suggested, many thanks.

I find their attitude outrageous, everyone should be allowed privacy and security in their garden, especially when they have children. A five foot boundary wall isn't much of a deterrent.

Thank you so much for your reply. :)

Eloise

Eloise 01-04-2012 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lannerman (Post 954643)
Hi Eloise, further to the very good replies, I'd like to add my thoughts. Like Charlie, I'm in West Cornwall and am also not advocating Escallonia anymore, and I agree with Sacha that I'd look at Grisellinia littoralis (but not any of the variegated forms) Its available at the size you want but I'd suggest that you put in plants about 18" to 2 ft. they will establish much better than 4ft plants and obviously they would work out alot cheaper !! Now Grisellinia does flower but relies mainly on wind for pollination so hence the flowers are green, inconspicuous and dont attract many insects !!
I'd have a look around your area and just see that it is being used and is growing well. One final point, EVERYONE wants a hedging plant that is fast growing but suddenly stops growing when it reaches 6ft, you cant have both, so be aware that anything that grows relatively quickly wont stop growing to order and will need trimming.
Hope this helps, Lannerman.

Hi Lannerman

Thank you very much for your reply. One of our main worries is that we're trying to have privacy for next year, thus the larger plants and price, but trying to establish them and keep them healthy and alive is something we're worried about - smaller plants would be ideal on our budget but...decisions, decisions...

The other worry we have that you astutely pointed out is: will we end up with a hedge that needs trimming a great deal of the time to keep it at 6ft? The last thing we want to do is have anything that looks unsightly or unkempt.

The Griselliinal littoralis that yourself and Sacha suggested sounds very interesting, I'll google some local nurseries and have a look around while on the school walk. That's great to know that it doesn't attract many insects, phew! That is is available now is also wonderful.

Many thanks for your help, Lannerman, it is very much appreciated. :)

Eloise 01-04-2012 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lannerman (Post 954643)
Hi Eloise, further to the very good replies, I'd like to add my thoughts. Like Charlie, I'm in West Cornwall and am also not advocating Escallonia anymore, and I agree with Sacha that I'd look at Grisellinia littoralis (but not any of the variegated forms) Its available at the size you want but I'd suggest that you put in plants about 18" to 2 ft. they will establish much better than 4ft plants and obviously they would work out alot cheaper !! Now Grisellinia does flower but relies mainly on wind for pollination so hence the flowers are green, inconspicuous and dont attract many insects !!
I'd have a look around your area and just see that it is being used and is growing well. One final point, EVERYONE wants a hedging plant that is fast growing but suddenly stops growing when it reaches 6ft, you cant have both, so be aware that anything that grows relatively quickly wont stop growing to order and will need trimming.
Hope this helps, Lannerman.

Hi Lannerman

Thank you very much for your reply. One of our main worries is that we're trying to have privacy for next year, thus the larger plants and price, but trying to establish them and keep them healthy and alive is something we're worried about - smaller plants would be ideal on our budget but...decisions, decisions...

The other worry we have that you astutely pointed out is: will we end up with a hedge that needs trimming a great deal of the time to keep it at 6ft? The last thing we want to do is have anything that looks unsightly or unkempt.

The Griselliinal littoralis that yourself and Sacha suggested sounds very interesting, I'll google some local nurseries and have a look around while on the school walk. That's great to know that it doesn't attract many insects, phew! That is is available now is also wonderful.

Many thanks for your help, Lannerman, it is very much appreciated. :)

Eloise

kay 02-04-2012 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eloise (Post 954710)
Hi Terry

Thanks so much for your reply. But, the council was very strict on this replacement fence. The boundary wall, of course is stone, and as they said, "would not be allowed today." :(

I hadn't thought of questioning their response, I will ask on the website you suggested, many thanks.

I find their attitude outrageous, everyone should be allowed privacy and security in their garden, especially when they have children. A five foot boundary wall isn't much of a deterrent.

Thank you so much for your reply. :)

Eloise

My understanding (which may be wrong) is that if you are constructing a new fence, you need planning permission once it's over 2m (which is over 6ft). Therefore, the 5ft restriction sounds strange - are you in a conservation area?

Eloise 02-04-2012 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sacha[_4_] (Post 954791)
On 2012-04-01 16:55:54 +0100, Eloise said:

snip
Sorry you're allergic to bees as well, it can be a real worry.

True! Once the brainwashing is complete, Karen will be delighted to cut
them back every year and do all of the watering! Although when they get
to six feet I think she might have a wee problem reaching up to trim the
top, she is only nine!!! :) LOL

It's the thought of eleven metres of Escallonia in our admittedly small
garden, I don't like the idea of there being an area the kids wouldn't
be able to play in. My goodness, it's tempting as it's so beautiful
but...

I've been looking into getting some of the non-flowering shrubs,
somewhere local, thanks so much again, Sacha, for all of your help. Hope
Arran isn't as cloudy and dreich as Ayrshire is, today.

Eloise


I'm the one in Devon, not Arran and it's a gorgeous sunny day here! I
can see your concerns if there's a smallish play area. I'd go for
beech. It's very handsome, looks wonderful when clipped or allowed to
be 'wavy' and gives good cover for birds. Yes, the bee thing is a
nuisance and I try to remember to carry the Epipen but they're a bit of
a nuisance in the garden!
--
Sacha
Buy plants online, including rare and popular plant varieties from Hill House Nursery, mail order plant specialist
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South Devon

Hi Sacha

Sorry about the goegraphic mix-up. Lucky you, living in Devon with glorious weather! :)

Yes, the Epipens are a pain to carry about but we always have a few on hand, just in case. I have a little hook just inside the garden door and hang them from it, that way they're just seconds from reach if my hubby does get stung.

I'd love to go for the Beech but am a bit worried that it might not survive a cold Scottish winter, it's really windy at that part of the garden.

I didn't know you could do the wavy look with the Beech, thanks so much for that info! I've been looking at the purple/copper variety Fagus Sylvatica Purpurea as it looks so pretty and is stock locally.

Hope you're having another gorgeous day in Devon!

Kind Regards and many thanks, Eloise

Eloise 02-04-2012 10:26 PM

[quote=Eloise;954801]Hi Sacha

Aargh! That would be 'geographic mix-up.'

:)

Eloise 02-04-2012 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kay (Post 954797)
My understanding (which may be wrong) is that if you are constructing a new fence, you need planning permission once it's over 2m (which is over 6ft). Therefore, the 5ft restriction sounds strange - are you in a conservation area?

Hi Kay

I'm not aware of this being a conservation area but the fence allowed to be constructed is 3ft only (2 feet less than the original boundary wall!).

I called them again this afternoon, spoke with someone else and was given the exact same information.

Everywhere I look I see boundary fences of 6ft 5" and over and these people must be willing to put in their planning app to the council, pay £165 for the assessment then pay for the fence. Or, they're putting them up without planning permission and hoping no one objects.

Personally, we'd rather put the money towards a hedge, they can't do anything about it! :)

Besides, after much thought, as a family we decided we'd rather help our habitat and wildlife. It's a process that's really involved the kids in the garden, they're now seeing it as not just as a place to play but as a place to help the environment so maybe the local council have done us a favour.

Many thanks for your help and avice. Kind Regards, Eloise

S Viemeister[_2_] 03-04-2012 12:35 AM

Newbie needs fast growing shrub/hedge with no flowers for boundarywall.
 
On 4/2/2012 5:23 PM, Eloise wrote:

I'd love to go for the Beech but am a bit worried that it might not
survive a cold Scottish winter, it's really windy at that part of the
garden.

I have beech in my garden on the north coast of Sutherland - they've
been there for decades.

Eloise 03-04-2012 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S Viemeister[_2_] (Post 954848)
On 4/2/2012 5:23 PM, Eloise wrote:

I'd love to go for the Beech but am a bit worried that it might not
survive a cold Scottish winter, it's really windy at that part of the
garden.

I have beech in my garden on the north coast of Sutherland - they've
been there for decades.

Hi Viemeister

That's great to know, thanks so much! :) We're all visiting a local garden centre as the kids are off school this week - hopefully a decision will be made soon!

Many thanks, Viemeister, Eloise

kay 03-04-2012 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eloise (Post 954833)
Hi Kay

I'm not aware of this being a conservation area but the fence allowed to be constructed is 3ft only (2 feet less than the original boundary wall!).

I know you're not interested any longer, but someone else who reads this may be ...

From the government planning portal:

"You will need to apply for planning permission if you wish to erect or add to a fence, wall or gate and:
it would be over 1 metre high and next to a highway used by vehicles (or the footpath of such a highway); or over 2 metres high elsewhere .....

You will not need to apply for planning permission to take down a fence, wall,or gate, or to alter, maintain or improve an existing fence, wall or gate (no matter how high) if you don't increase its height"

So in theory you could have maintained it at its original height, since you were going to "maintain or improve" it. (Subtleties like this aren't always uppermost in the minds of council officials). Since this was the fence between you and your neighbours, I'm not sure why they were applying the lower limit.


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