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Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees, 2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.

Cheers

Dave R
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[Not even bunny]

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"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees, 2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.


£10 per tree sounds very cheap to me, what's wrong with them?

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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees, 2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.


£10 per tree sounds very cheap to me, what's wrong with them?


Nothing that I can see - about 3-4' tall and healthy looking, with roots
covered.

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:24:41 +0100, "David WE Roberts"
wrote:

Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees, 2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.

Cheers

Dave R

Are you able to tap them out of the pots to check the roots? This
sounds almost too cheap for "named" trees and it may be that they are
unsold bare roots simply shoved into pots.

OTOH, Parkers have this offer:

http://www.jparkers.co.uk/plant-1001...ee-collection/

which are in pots. They have a good reputation so maybe Homebase have
something decent and cheap (for once).

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling from the sunny and refreshingly green
east end of Swansea Bay.

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On Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:24:41 UTC+1, David WE Roberts wrote:
Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees, 2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.

Cheers

Dave R
--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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(")_(")

I think I'd want a peek at the roots. I'd also want to know what the rootstocks were. 3-4ft isn't very big even for a maiden apple tree on a typical dwarfing/semi-dwarfing rootstock like M106 or M26.

Rod

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On Apr 10, 6:18*pm, Rod wrote:
On Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:24:41 UTC+1, David WE Roberts *wrote:





Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees, 2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.

Cheers

Dave R
--
No plan survives contact with the enemy.
[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")

I think I'd want a peek at the roots. I'd also want to know what the rootstocks were. 3-4ft isn't very big even for a maiden *apple tree on a typical dwarfing/semi-dwarfing rootstock like M106 or M26.

Rod- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

More to the point, if you are going to plant them on your alotment, I
wonder.........
Are you allowed to plant trees
Are there any other fruit trees to polinate them, most apples are not
self pollinators
see http://www.shrubs.co.uk/fruit-tree-p...uide-419-c.asp

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees,
2 for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially
if Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.


£10 per tree sounds very cheap to me, what's wrong with them?


Nothing that I can see - about 3-4' tall and healthy looking, with roots
covered.

--

Do they indicate the rootstock used? Just look for clean undamaged stems
seems a good price


--
Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall
Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella
and Lapageria rosea cvs
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:24:41 +0100, "David WE Roberts"
wrote:

Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees, 2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.

Cheers

Dave R


Aldi and lidl and morrisons are all about £4-5 a tree.
--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

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"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message
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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees,
2 for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially
if Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.


£10 per tree sounds very cheap to me, what's wrong with them?


Nothing that I can see - about 3-4' tall and healthy looking, with roots
covered.

--

Do they indicate the rootstock used? Just look for clean undamaged stems
seems a good price


Will go back for another look (just saw them, felt temptation, came home to
Google).
If they don't specify a dwarfing or semi-dwarfing then I wil assume full
height.
Although our last Victoria on (IIRC) St Julien A semi-dwarfing was still
pretty big.

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"mogga" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 17:24:41 +0100, "David WE Roberts"
wrote:

Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees, 2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.

Cheers

Dave R


Aldi and lidl and morrisons are all about £4-5 a tree.
--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

Thanks - IIRC the trees in Aldi and Lidl have already been through (so
perhaps not again till next year) and they were significantly smaller than
these.
Will look at Morrisons but again I sem to recall much smaller treees.
I may have underestimated the height because I an trying to remember how
high they were and how far off the ground the roots were.
Another visit scheduled :-)

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"Dave Hill" wrote in message
...
On Apr 10, 6:18 pm, Rod wrote:
On Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:24:41 UTC+1, David WE Roberts wrote:





Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees,
2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially
if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.
I think I'd want a peek at the roots. I'd also want to know what the
rootstocks were. 3-4ft isn't very big even for a maiden apple tree on a
typical dwarfing/semi-dwarfing rootstock like M106 or M26.

Rod- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
**
More to the point, if you are going to plant them on your alotment, I
wonder.........
Are you allowed to plant trees
Are there any other fruit trees to polinate them, most apples are not
self pollinators
see http://www.shrubs.co.uk/fruit-tree-p...uide-419-c.asp
**

Thanks for the link.

Next plot has plums - and Victorias are self fertile.
Next plot also has apples and there are more around the site.
I note that Bramley is shown as 'T' - needing two other varieties - we
managed at our previous house with a Bramley and a Queen Cox so presumably
there was a third one around somewhere.
This allotment is quite old and there are all sorts of things on there - no
pigs anymore, but still plenty of chickens despite the Council's gentle
disapproval (I am told that there is a 1950s law which allows the keeping of
chicken on allotments).
So a couple more fruit trees will not make much difference.

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In particular, Bramley doesn't produce viable pollen, so not only does it need a pollinator, you need a second pollinator to pollinate the pollinator.

There again, if there are other apple trees on the allotments, you may get away with it, if they flower at the same time - but you'd be dependent for your apple crop on other people's decisions.

I'd want to know the rootstock, because this will determine whether you get a small tree that needs staking all its life, or a huge tree which will shade out your entire allotment and that of your neighbour as well.

And I suppose I'd also be wondering whether I really want to buy a Bramley, which is readily available in the supermarket, or whether I'd prefer to buy some other cooking apple with a different taste.

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"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message
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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees,
2 for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially
if Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.


£10 per tree sounds very cheap to me, what's wrong with them?


Nothing that I can see - about 3-4' tall and healthy looking, with roots
covered.

--

Do they indicate the rootstock used? Just look for clean undamaged stems
seems a good price


I now have :-)

Victoria Plum - semi dwarfing Myrobalan - self fertile
Greengage - semi dwarfing Myrobalan - self fertile
Bramley - semi dwarfing M7 - pollenator for ER
Egremont Russet - semi dwarfing M7 - pollenator for B

All trees are 2m tall.

The label states that the trees are not established in the pots i.e. they
have been put in the pots to transport and sell and have not been in them
long term.
I did see a couple where there were roots showing above the post suggesting
that the pot wasn't really deep enough for that particular tree.

However all four look pretty good, and I've just been to Lidl which has
dwarf fruit trees for £9.99 so the price still seems reasonable.

Now to go and plant them out whilst the weather is nice and showery.

Cheers

Dave R
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[Not even bunny]

Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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(='.'=)
(")_(")

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...
Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit trees, 2
for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially if
Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.

Cheers

Dave R
--
Bramleys are a triploid, you will need two different apple trees to
pollinate it.

More precisely, it won't reciprocate, so although the ER may pollinate the B, the B will not pollinate the ER, so you'll get a poor set on the ER. You need a third tree to pollinate the ER.

No, that's wrong, as I said in an earlier post. If you don't believe me, try the RHS:

"To complicate things further, a few apple and pear cultivars (known as triploids) such as ‘Bramley’s Seedling’, ‘Holstein’, ‘Ribston Pippin’, ‘Blenheim Orange’ and ‘Catillac’ produce mainly sterile pollen. These won’t be any use for cross-pollinating other trees, and still need other trees to set their fruit. Therefore if you grow a triploid cultivar you will also need two other trees that will pollinate each other as well as the triploid, and these three cultivars must all flower at the same time."

Pollination / RHS Gardening

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"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
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"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message
...

"David WE Roberts" wrote in message
...

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
"David WE Roberts" wrote ...

Just wandering through Homebase and they have containerised fruit
trees, 2 for £20.

Now I don't usually trust HomeBase to be cheap for anything (especially
if Jamie Oliver branded) but Google sugests that £10 a tree is quite a
resonable price, with most bare rooted trees being slightly more.

Are these good value?

Thinking probably of a Victoria plum and a Bramley apple to go on the
allotment.


£10 per tree sounds very cheap to me, what's wrong with them?


Nothing that I can see - about 3-4' tall and healthy looking, with roots
covered.

--

Do they indicate the rootstock used? Just look for clean undamaged stems
seems a good price


I now have :-)

Victoria Plum - semi dwarfing Myrobalan - self fertile
Greengage - semi dwarfing Myrobalan - self fertile
Bramley - semi dwarfing M7 - pollenator for ER
Egremont Russet - semi dwarfing M7 - pollenator for B

All trees are 2m tall.

The label states that the trees are not established in the pots i.e. they
have been put in the pots to transport and sell and have not been in them
long term.
I did see a couple where there were roots showing above the post
suggesting that the pot wasn't really deep enough for that particular
tree.

However all four look pretty good, and I've just been to Lidl which has
dwarf fruit trees for £9.99 so the price still seems reasonable.

Now to go and plant them out whilst the weather is nice and showery.


All planted up now.
They all looked to be bare rooted plants (presumably lifted from a nursery)
which had been potted up for sale.
Three of the four (the apples and the Victoria plum) had a lot of new root
growth; nice white straggly things.
The forth (Greengage) had more root mass but was just starting to put out
new roots.

So far, well satisfied.

I did go back for stakes to support them but at £3.79 a pop I decided to use
a pair of garden canes (free courtesy of a previous allotment holder) per
tree as support.

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On 2012-04-11, Christina Websell wrote:
Bramleys are a triploid, you will need two different apple trees to
pollinate it.

Just being a bit pedantic.

Pollen from another ONE (non-triploid) variety (A) will pollinate the
Bramley. BUT, the Bramley pollen will not pollinate (A), hence there is
need of another, non-triploid, variety to pollinate (A).

There are other triploids varieties too. So if you have N triploid apples,
you will need an extra 2 non-triploid varieties to ensure that all trees
are pollinated.

I've already posted that info twice - does that mean my posts aren't making it through to urg?

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"Jim Jackson" wrote in message
...
On 2012-04-11, Christina Websell
wrote:
Bramleys are a triploid, you will need two different apple trees to
pollinate it.

Just being a bit pedantic.

Pollen from another ONE (non-triploid) variety (A) will pollinate the
Bramley. BUT, the Bramley pollen will not pollinate (A), hence there is
need of another, non-triploid, variety to pollinate (A).

There are other triploids varieties too. So if you have N triploid apples,
you will need an extra 2 non-triploid varieties to ensure that all trees
are pollinated.

Pedant away, Jim.
Useful information :-)

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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 08:01:30 +0000, kay
wrote:


Jim Jackson;955930 Wrote:
On 2012-04-11, Christina Websell
wrote:-
Bramleys are a triploid, you will need two different apple trees to
pollinate it.-

Just being a bit pedantic.

Pollen from another ONE (non-triploid) variety (A) will pollinate the
Bramley. BUT, the Bramley pollen will not pollinate (A), hence there is

need of another, non-triploid, variety to pollinate (A).

There are other triploids varieties too. So if you have N triploid
apples,
you will need an extra 2 non-triploid varieties to ensure that all trees

are pollinated.

I've already posted that info twice - does that mean my posts aren't
making it through to urg?

This is the first post from you I can see in this thread. I did a
quick check yesterday and identified about 15 posts (including two
complete threads) to GB which I hadn't seen on Usenet.

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling from the sunny and refreshingly green
east end of Swansea Bay.

thanks, Jake.

Since I haven't found a free newsreader for the Mac, and I can't justify paying for one to read one ng, I guess this is my farewell as a poster to urg!

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On Sat, 14 Apr 2012 20:03:58 +0000, kay
wrote:


Jake;955983 Wrote:

This is the first post from you I can see in this thread. I did a
quick check yesterday and identified about 15 posts (including two
complete threads) to GB which I hadn't seen on Usenet.
.

thanks, Jake.

Since I haven't found a free newsreader for the Mac, and I can't justify
paying for one to read one ng, I guess this is my farewell as a poster
to urg!

Don't say that - if you continue to post to GB then some of your stuff
at least will get thru here. Must admit that until I checked I'd
thought GB was pretty reliable at chundering stuff each way (apart
from the odd rare period which is a fact of life on Usenet).

As to newsreaders, have you considered Thunderbird. It's free and
available for Macs. You then need a newsserver. BT have a free one
(though it may be limited to BT customers) which carries URG but it is
very slow. Alternatively. as Sacha suggests, 10 euros a year for the
N.I.N service is cheap for all the entertainment on offer here.

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling from the sunny and refreshingly green
east end of Swansea Bay.

Well, I don't know what you actually wrote, but it came out as a-circumflex, a horizontal bar with a pendant on the RHS, 10 :-)

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On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 08:27:46 +0000, kay
wrote:

a-circumflex, a horizontal bar with a pendant on the RHS

All that is the Euro symbol (see my other post) as interpreted by
Garden Banter. The following "10" is the number of Euros. :)

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling from the sunny and refreshingly green
east end of Swansea Bay.

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In article , kay.9ff9616
@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

Jake;955983 Wrote:

This is the first post from you I can see in this thread. I did a
quick check yesterday and identified about 15 posts (including two
complete threads) to GB which I hadn't seen on Usenet.
.

thanks, Jake.

Since I haven't found a free newsreader for the Mac, and I can't justify
paying for one to read one ng, I guess this is my farewell as a poster
to urg!
kay

Hope not! I see Kay's posts regularly ;obviously only in those threads
I open; I don't follow all threads. So if I missed any posts by her I
assume they were in some thread I ignored.

My newsreader is showing the same threads as the ones that currently
appear in gardenbanter's portal of urg.

Any GB gaps in previous threads are probably the result of
Gardenbanter's archive policy. Original posts by Usenet posters using "x-
no-archive" will only show on GB for 14 days.

Janet

My computer's OK. It writes Portuguese with no problem. I think we know who to blame! OK, I'll look into NIN.

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On 4/15/2012 12:27 PM, kay wrote:

My computer's OK. It writes Portuguese with no problem. I think we know
who to blame! OK, I'll look into NIN.

Highly recommended. I've been using them for years.