hello from Glasgow
 

hello everyone im Allan , I live in Glasgow , Im 32 and have just moved into our first house with a garden . We are complete novices to gardening but want to basicaly re do the complete area we have , so decided to join a forum for ideas and maybe a bit of help from experienced heads so to speak . Looking forward to the banter .

Hi Allan,

Welcome to Garden Banter, I to am from Glasgow.

Now first things first, If you want help you need to provide the relevant information which will allow the people on this site to offer up their views on how to proceed. you will also require to state what you intend to grow as in flowers or food.

This requires that you state the area of cultivatable soil, the nature of the soil, as in is it clay, sandy or otherwise good soil. What type of weeds are growing and the aspect of said soil to the sun.

Do your homework and get back to us with more information.


uriel13

hello from Glasgow
 

"allang0831" wrote ...


hello everyone im Allan , I live in Glasgow , Im 32 and have just moved
into our first house with a garden . We are complete novices to
gardening but want to basicaly re do the complete area we have , so
decided to join a forum for ideas and maybe a bit of help from
experienced heads so to speak . Looking forward to the banter .


If you now have a blank canvas upon which to make a garden then the first
thing is to get all those involved, wife, kids, to write down separately
what they personally want out of the garden, don't discuss it now, write it
down away from each other. Any plants that are "must haves" also must be
written down, they may be presents already received or one that has
sentimental value. This will give you a list of "wants" which you can then
discuss/argue over ending up with a list of things to be provided. From that
list it becomes easier to draw up plans. For example, if you want a
patio/sitting area in the sun when you come home from work there is probably
only one place for it, likewise if the wife wants to sunbath all day, or you
want a Lily pond etc.
Once you have roughly planed the "Hard Landscaping" then you need to do the
same thing with the planting. One person might like "Cottage Garden" style
with winding paths whilst another may like "Formal" straight sharp paths or
even "Tropical". Then, and only then, you can start discussing the plants.

You should discuss all these things before starting as it's very difficult
to change later and you can save a lot of money getting it right from the
start.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

hello from Glasgow
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote in
:

"allang0831" wrote ...


hello everyone im Allan , I live in Glasgow , Im 32 and have just
moved into our first house with a garden . We are complete novices to
gardening but want to basicaly re do the complete area we have , so
decided to join a forum for ideas and maybe a bit of help from
experienced heads so to speak . Looking forward to the banter .


If you now have a blank canvas upon which to make a garden then the
first thing is to get all those involved, wife, kids, to write down
separately what they personally want out of the garden, don't discuss
it now, write it down away from each other. Any plants that are "must
haves" also must be written down, they may be presents already
received or one that has sentimental value. This will give you a list
of "wants" which you can then discuss/argue over ending up with a list
of things to be provided. From that list it becomes easier to draw up
plans. For example, if you want a patio/sitting area in the sun when
you come home from work there is probably only one place for it,
likewise if the wife wants to sunbath all day, or you want a Lily pond
etc. Once you have roughly planed the "Hard Landscaping" then you need
to do the same thing with the planting. One person might like "Cottage
Garden" style with winding paths whilst another may like "Formal"
straight sharp paths or even "Tropical". Then, and only then, you can
start discussing the plants.

You should discuss all these things before starting as it's very
difficult to change later and you can save a lot of money getting it
right from the start.

I think, Bob, that it is better not to reply to gardenbanter posts.

Baz

hello from Glasgow
 

On 21/08/2012 13:10, Baz wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote in
:

"allang0831" wrote ...


hello everyone im Allan , I live in Glasgow , Im 32 and have just
moved into our first house with a garden . We are complete novices to
gardening but want to basicaly re do the complete area we have , so
decided to join a forum for ideas and maybe a bit of help from
experienced heads so to speak . Looking forward to the banter .


If you now have a blank canvas upon which to make a garden then the
first thing is to get all those involved, wife, kids, to write down
separately what they personally want out of the garden, don't discuss
it now, write it down away from each other. Any plants that are "must
haves" also must be written down, they may be presents already
received or one that has sentimental value. This will give you a list
of "wants" which you can then discuss/argue over ending up with a list
of things to be provided. From that list it becomes easier to draw up
plans. For example, if you want a patio/sitting area in the sun when
you come home from work there is probably only one place for it,
likewise if the wife wants to sunbath all day, or you want a Lily pond
etc. Once you have roughly planed the "Hard Landscaping" then you need
to do the same thing with the planting. One person might like "Cottage
Garden" style with winding paths whilst another may like "Formal"
straight sharp paths or even "Tropical". Then, and only then, you can
start discussing the plants.

You should discuss all these things before starting as it's very
difficult to change later and you can save a lot of money getting it
right from the start.

I think, Bob, that it is better not to reply to gardenbanter posts.

Baz

Why? I thought everyone here were helping all gardeners. Why not point
him to this news group if you believe that is best?

--
Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire

hello from Glasgow
 

Moonraker wrote in :


Why? I thought everyone here were helping all gardeners. Why not point
him to this news group if you believe that is best?


Because all replies go to gardenbanter and they use our replies to earn
money from advertising on their website. They do not ask any of us if it is
ok to do so, they use our names, ISP and email (if you are daft enough to
give a real email).
IMO gardenbanter is a parasite. NO, gardenbanter IS a parasite. Not its
members though, they know no better.

Baz

hello from Glasgow
 

"Baz" wrote in message
...
Moonraker wrote in :


Why? I thought everyone here were helping all gardeners. Why not point
him to this news group if you believe that is best?


Because all replies go to gardenbanter and they use our replies to earn
money from advertising on their website. They do not ask any of us if it
is
ok to do so, they use our names, ISP and email (if you are daft enough to
give a real email).
IMO gardenbanter is a parasite. NO, gardenbanter IS a parasite. Not its
members though, they know no better.

Baz

Baz.

Live with it. It happens

Mike


--

....................................

I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.

....................................

hello from Glasgow
 

In article , says...

Moonraker wrote in :


Why? I thought everyone here were helping all gardeners. Why not point
him to this news group if you believe that is best?


Because all replies go to gardenbanter and they use our replies to earn
money from advertising on their website. They do not ask any of us if it is
ok to do so, they use our names, ISP and email (if you are daft enough to
give a real email).

???? afaics gardenbanter's forum does not publish any email address of external usenet
posters (real or not); or identify their isp.

Janet

No, they don't give your ISP or email. From my point of view it's a downside - when I was on urg, I gave my email as did many others, and it allowed us to talk off group. Now I can only talk to those whose email I already know. I can't send emails to new people, and they can't email me.

Yes they do earn money on your content (presumably - I have scripts disabled so don't see any ads - and they do honour X-no-archive). On the other hand they do perform a useful service in making accessible a newsgroup that most people would ever come across otherwise. Of the people I talk to in everyday life, almost everyone has internet access, but the only ones who have heard of usenet are those that came to the internet over 10 years ago.

It's not just your content they are getting for free - they are also getting mine! They don't pay gardenbanter users either.

hello from Glasgow
 

"Her@Nowhere" wrote in
:

In article ,
says...

Moonraker wrote in
:


Why? I thought everyone here were helping all gardeners. Why not
point him to this news group if you believe that is best?


Because all replies go to gardenbanter and they use our replies to
earn money from advertising on their website. They do not ask any of
us if it is ok to do so, they use our names, ISP and email (if you
are daft enough to give a real email).

???? afaics gardenbanter's forum does not publish any email address
of external usenet
posters (real or not); or identify their isp.

Janet


I didn't say they publish them. I said they USE them.

Baz

hello from Glasgow
 

kay wrote in news:kay.aad47b7
@gardenbanter.co.uk:


'Baz[_3_ Wrote:
;967277']
Because all replies go to gardenbanter and they use our replies to earn

money from advertising on their website. They do not ask any of us if it
is
ok to do so, they use our names, ISP and email (if you are daft enough
to
give a real email)

No, they don't give your ISP or email. From my point of view it's a
downside - when I was on urg, I gave my email as did many others, and it
allowed us to talk off group. Now I can only talk to those whose email I
already know. I can't send emails to new people, and they can't email
me.

Yes they do earn money on your content (presumably - I have scripts
disabled so don't see any ads - and they do honour X-no-archive). On the
other hand they do perform a useful service in making accessible a
newsgroup that most people would ever come across otherwise. Of the
people I talk to in everyday life, almost everyone has internet access,
but the only ones who have heard of usenet are those that came to the
internet over 10 years ago.

It's not just your content they are getting for free - they are also
getting mine! They don't pay gardenbanter users either.





You still don't get it do you! So I will silently block all of this content
and carry on. It really is invasive.

Baz

hello from Glasgow
 

"Baz" wrote in message
...
kay wrote in news:kay.aad47b7
@gardenbanter.co.uk:


'Baz[_3_ Wrote:
;967277']
Because all replies go to gardenbanter and they use our replies to earn

money from advertising on their website. They do not ask any of us if it
is
ok to do so, they use our names, ISP and email (if you are daft enough
to
give a real email)

No, they don't give your ISP or email. From my point of view it's a
downside - when I was on urg, I gave my email as did many others, and it
allowed us to talk off group. Now I can only talk to those whose email I
already know. I can't send emails to new people, and they can't email
me.

Yes they do earn money on your content (presumably - I have scripts
disabled so don't see any ads - and they do honour X-no-archive). On the
other hand they do perform a useful service in making accessible a
newsgroup that most people would ever come across otherwise. Of the
people I talk to in everyday life, almost everyone has internet access,
but the only ones who have heard of usenet are those that came to the
internet over 10 years ago.

It's not just your content they are getting for free - they are also
getting mine! They don't pay gardenbanter users either.





You still don't get it do you! So I will silently block all of this
content
and carry on. It really is invasive.

Baz

No Baz, YOU don't get it. It happens. Live with it. Smack a advert in your
signature as others have done, continue posting here and just rub your hands
that you are getting free publicity.

Live with it or don't post or read urg

Kindest possible regards.



--

....................................

I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.

....................................

hello from Glasgow
 

"Baz" wrote
kay wrote in news:kay.aad47b7
@gardenbanter.co.uk:

'Baz[_3_ Wrote:
;967277']
Because all replies go to gardenbanter and they use our replies to
earn money from advertising on their website. They do not ask any of
us if it is ok to do so, they use our names, ISP and email (if you
are daft enough to give a real email)

No, they don't give your ISP or email. From my point of view it's a
downside - when I was on urg, I gave my email as did many others, and
it allowed us to talk off group. Now I can only talk to those whose
email I already know. I can't send emails to new people, and they
can't email me.

Yes they do earn money on your content (presumably - I have scripts
disabled so don't see any ads - and they do honour X-no-archive). On
the other hand they do perform a useful service in making accessible
a newsgroup that most people would ever come across otherwise. Of the
people I talk to in everyday life, almost everyone has internet
access, but the only ones who have heard of usenet are those that
came to the internet over 10 years ago.

It's not just your content they are getting for free - they are also
getting mine! They don't pay gardenbanter users either.


You still don't get it do you! So I will silently block all of this
content and carry on. It really is invasive.

The folk turning up via GB with questions or just joining in aren't to
blame for how a portal site operates, though Baz. It seems really mean
not to try and help or reply to people who would just like a bit of
information or a few gardening discusss to enjoy.

Not everyone knows how to use newsreader software (even the name is
misleading) nor want to spend time figuring out what it's all about and
learning how. Most people do just turn to a website forum these days,
it's the way things have gone. It's actually easier IMO to read Usenet
newsgroups on a newsreader once set up and makes more sense to see who's
replying to what and follow conversations, but it's not going to be
everyone's cup of tea.

Let's not give the impression that new people aren't welcome because
that isn't true.

--
Sue

hello from Glasgow
 

"allang0831" wrote
hello everyone im Allan , I live in Glasgow , Im 32 and have just
moved into our first house with a garden . We are complete novices to
gardening but want to basicaly re do the complete area we have , so
decided to join a forum for ideas and maybe a bit of help from
experienced heads so to speak . Looking forward to the banter .

Hi Allan.

Is it a new house so could have all sorts of builder's rubble and
goodness knows what buried just under the surface? Or is it an
established plot that needs some revamping and sorting out?

Exciting, anyway. Welcome to the group and happy gardening.

--
Sue

How do they use them?

hello from Glasgow
 

On 19/08/2012 22:28, allang0831 wrote:
hello everyone im Allan , I live in Glasgow , Im 32 and have just moved
into our first house with a garden . We are complete novices to
gardening but want to basicaly re do the complete area we have , so
decided to join a forum for ideas and maybe a bit of help from
experienced heads so to speak . Looking forward to the banter .


I was always told that when you move into a house that is new to you but
has an established garden, that you should spend the first year thinking
and observing the garden.
That way you get to know what treasures or otherwise are in the garden.
Then the 2nd year you reshape and replant as required.
David @ a damp but not wet end of Swansea Bay

Hi Alan,

17 replies and only 3 were relevant to the question you asked!!! You could try Allotments.Co.UK, a much more friendly and helpful site for beginners like yourself.

Most of these people appear to have agenda's of their own to air, and seem totally disinterested in helping you!!!

The mind is like a parachute its totally useless unless open

uriel13

hello from Glasgow
 

"uriel13" wrote ...

Hi Alan,

17 replies and only 3 were relevant to the question you asked!!! You
could try Allotments.Co.UK, a much more friendly and helpful site for
beginners like yourself.

Most of these people appear to have agenda's of their own to air, and
seem totally disinterested in helping you!!!

The mind is like a parachute its totally useless unless open


I think he was asking a question about gardening and that site does not seem
to much about gardening on it. Seems more about starting a business.
Anyway, we are a Newsgroup not a site. Look it up on Wiki.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

hello from Glasgow
 

On Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:35:04 PM UTC+1, Baz wrote:
Moonraker wrote in :





Why? I thought everyone here were helping all gardeners. Why not point

him to this news group if you believe that is best?





Because all replies go to gardenbanter and they use our replies to earn

money from advertising on their website. They do not ask any of us if it is

ok to do so, they use our names, ISP and email (if you are daft enough to

give a real email).

IMO gardenbanter is a parasite. NO, gardenbanter IS a parasite. Not its

members though, they know no better.



Baz

Would agree 100%.........there is an awful lot of this going on now! Those responsible are earning good money from others knowledge/experience, and I guess are most certainly parasites.

hello from Glasgow
 

Bob Hobden wrote:
17 replies and only 3 were relevant to the question you asked!!! You
could try Allotments.Co.UK, a much more friendly and helpful site for
beginners like yourself.

Most of these people appear to have agenda's of their own to air, and
seem totally disinterested in helping you!!!

The mind is like a parachute its totally useless unless open


I think he was asking a question about gardening and that site does not seem
to much about gardening on it. Seems more about starting a business.

I don't think he asked a question at all, just introduced himself. I'd
guess that the link was posted by someone with a bit of an interest in
the site, if I was cynical.

hello from Glasgow
 

"uriel13" wrote
17 replies and only 3 were relevant to the question you asked!!! You
could try Allotments.Co.UK, a much more friendly and helpful site for
beginners like yourself.

a) How hypocritical. You told him his intro 'requires' he do this, that
and the other and go away and do his homework!

b) Newsgroup threads can and do branch, and might wander off the
original subject and take various winding paths, just like
conversations. It's the nature of the Usenet beast. Good thing too; it
makes it all much more interesting. Digressions irritate you? Then don't
persist in reading those bits - mark as read, use delete key or
something - easy peasy. If only you could delete some rl weeds that
simply.

b) There was no question actually asked. You are talking nonsense
anyway - people are often helped out in this group.

--
Sue

hello from Glasgow
 

"Sue" wrote in message
o.uk...

b) There was no question actually asked. You are talking nonsense
anyway - people are often helped out in this group.

I can certainly testify to that! I have been treated very kindly here and
been given helpful and useful information when I asked for it!


--
--

http://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/

Sue,

A) Hypocritical, I think not, the lad was looking for help!! It may be when, in one of your more lucid moments you read what I said you will see that I was endeavouring to find out how I could be of assistance to him!!!!

B)I Can't for the life of me see how the conversation which ensued, had any relevance to the subject matter!!!

C) Oh, and by the way C comes after B!!! Could that be stupid is as stupid does.

And a final thought If no question was asked why did Bob Hobden and yourself answer like myself as If a question had been asked!!!!

I rest my case!!!!!!