I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

mark

On 13/09/2012 11:57, mark wrote:
I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

Stage one is cut through the stems where they enter the ground. The
stuff is a bit easier to prize off brickwork after it has dried up.

You are likely to make a lot of additional work for yourself repointing
brickwork after the ivy comes off.

The waxy leaves make ivy hard to kill by chemical means so you have to
use something that works through the roots and risk collateral damage to
any adjacent plants. Not sure what is available for this these days.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 12:02:04 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 13/09/2012 11:57, mark wrote:
I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

Stage one is cut through the stems where they enter the ground. The
stuff is a bit easier to prize off brickwork after it has dried up.

You are likely to make a lot of additional work for yourself repointing
brickwork after the ivy comes off.

The waxy leaves make ivy hard to kill by chemical means so you have to
use something that works through the roots and risk collateral damage to
any adjacent plants. Not sure what is available for this these days.

One technique I've used in the past with some success is to cut the
stems and IMMEDIATELY paint the cut ends with concentrated glyphosate
(you need to buy the liquid concentrate, not the powdered sachets that
you mix with water).

If you want to try this, cut the stems off initially about a foot
above ground and paint. About two weeks later, chop 6 inches off and
paint again. Then about two weeks after that, cut to just above ground
level and paint again.

Downside is that when I was originally told about this method the
instructions also included "do it in early summer" so I don't know how
effective it would be now.

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling from the East End of Swansea Bay where sometimes
it's raining and sometimes it's not.

"mark" wrote in message
o.uk...
I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

mark

Picture number 18 in http://www.myalbum.com/Album=FLRZ48SV shows the Ivy
growing up the side of the Theatre when we took it over in April 2010. First
thing we did was cut the main stems and left it. Some had died back quite
soon but the rest was removed after a hold up for a birds nest this year. No
chemicals. Just cut and wait.

Mike

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....................................

I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.

....................................

On 13/09/2012 11:57, mark wrote:
I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

mark



Overkill. Just cut it low down and leave it to die off. IME it does no
damage to brickwork. I removed the tendrils of a huge beast with a 4"
paint scraper.

On 09/13/2012 02:11 PM, stuart noble wrote:
On 13/09/2012 11:57, mark wrote:
I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would
have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

mark



Overkill. Just cut it low down and leave it to die off. IME it does no
damage to brickwork. I removed the tendrils of a huge beast with a 4"
paint scraper.

Wow, your ivy is a lot less vigorous than mine, apparently. We strip it
off the buildings and cut it to ground level, and then do the same thing
2 years later. It grows at an amazing pace and seems to thrive on being
cut back. I can't count the number of times I've had it all the way down.

I'd be interested in a solution too. I like it in some places, but in
others it's a major PITA.

-E

I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?


There was a lot of ivy here when we bought the house. Most of the trees (140
of them) were covered, so was the 10ft high dry stone wall between us and
the road, some ivy stems were 4 inches thick! All I did was cut out a
segment just above ground level, then regularly pick off any new growth.
After a while its easy to pull the dead stems down.

Mike

On 13/09/2012 15:36, Emery Davis wrote:
On 09/13/2012 02:11 PM, stuart noble wrote:
On 13/09/2012 11:57, mark wrote:
I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would
have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

mark



Overkill. Just cut it low down and leave it to die off. IME it does no
damage to brickwork. I removed the tendrils of a huge beast with a 4"
paint scraper.

Wow, your ivy is a lot less vigorous than mine, apparently. We strip it
off the buildings and cut it to ground level, and then do the same thing
2 years later. It grows at an amazing pace and seems to thrive on being
cut back. I can't count the number of times I've had it all the way down.

I'd be interested in a solution too. I like it in some places, but in
others it's a major PITA.

-E

Of course I should have added, "and dig out the roots". Didn't think it
was necessary :-)

On 13/09/2012 15:36, Emery Davis wrote:
On 09/13/2012 02:11 PM, stuart noble wrote:

Overkill. Just cut it low down and leave it to die off. IME it does no
damage to brickwork. I removed the tendrils of a huge beast with a 4"
paint scraper.

Wow, your ivy is a lot less vigorous than mine, apparently. We strip it
off the buildings and cut it to ground level, and then do the same thing
2 years later. It grows at an amazing pace and seems to thrive on being
cut back. I can't count the number of times I've had it all the way down.

Big stems drill and fill roots side with glyphosate after cutting down.

I'd be interested in a solution too. I like it in some places, but in
others it's a major PITA.

There is an interesting parasitic fungus?/plant you can infect it with
that decrease vigour and has curious fruits.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

You may be thinking of ivy broomrape. Chilterns are selling it, and I was interested until I read the bit that said it didn't harm the host plant.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 11:57:19 +0100, "mark"
wrote:

I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

mark



Does it flower?
The bees will miss it.
--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

On 09/13/2012 05:18 PM, stuart noble wrote:
On 13/09/2012 15:36, Emery Davis wrote:
On 09/13/2012 02:11 PM, stuart noble wrote:
On 13/09/2012 11:57, mark wrote:
I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just
shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would
have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

mark



Overkill. Just cut it low down and leave it to die off. IME it does no
damage to brickwork. I removed the tendrils of a huge beast with a 4"
paint scraper.

Wow, your ivy is a lot less vigorous than mine, apparently. We strip it
off the buildings and cut it to ground level, and then do the same thing
2 years later. It grows at an amazing pace and seems to thrive on being
cut back. I can't count the number of times I've had it all the way
down.

I'd be interested in a solution too. I like it in some places, but in
others it's a major PITA.

-E

Of course I should have added, "and dig out the roots". Didn't think it
was necessary :-)

Heh. Never over estimate the intelligence of your audience!

Although I will add that digging out the roots from the base of our
stone walls is very difficult, not only is the ground a sort of
hard-pack but the roots go right into the foundation (what there is of it).

-E

In article ,
Emery Davis wrote:
On 09/13/2012 05:18 PM, stuart noble wrote:

Of course I should have added, "and dig out the roots". Didn't think it
was necessary :-)

Heh. Never over estimate the intelligence of your audience!

God help me, I need to teach things like parallel programming
methodologies, and the same applies there :-(

When they are infeasible to dig out, poisoning them works. I haven't
used the multiple glyphosate treatment, but one use of brushwood
killer usually works. It's a very nasty chemical, but I use it in
VERY small quantities, just for such tasks.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

"Emery Davis" wrote in message ...

On 09/13/2012 05:18 PM, stuart noble wrote:
On 13/09/2012 15:36, Emery Davis wrote:
On 09/13/2012 02:11 PM, stuart noble wrote:
On 13/09/2012 11:57, mark wrote:
I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just
shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would
have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

mark



Overkill. Just cut it low down and leave it to die off. IME it does no
damage to brickwork. I removed the tendrils of a huge beast with a 4"
paint scraper.

Wow, your ivy is a lot less vigorous than mine, apparently. We strip it
off the buildings and cut it to ground level, and then do the same thing
2 years later. It grows at an amazing pace and seems to thrive on being
cut back. I can't count the number of times I've had it all the way
down.

I'd be interested in a solution too. I like it in some places, but in
others it's a major PITA.

-E

Of course I should have added, "and dig out the roots". Didn't think it
was necessary :-)

I haven't dug out any of my ivy roots, or used herbicide, just plucked off
new growth every few weeks, it soon gave up.

Mike

On 14/09/2012 09:59, Emery Davis wrote:
On 09/13/2012 05:18 PM, stuart noble wrote:
On 13/09/2012 15:36, Emery Davis wrote:
On 09/13/2012 02:11 PM, stuart noble wrote:
On 13/09/2012 11:57, mark wrote:
I have some very old and well established ivy growing up a a very old
outbuilding.

I want it gone. Mechanical means (ie., a mattock) would damage the old
brick work. Round-up is not effective on the glossy leaves.

I'm looking for a chemical warfare answer. The ground is just
shingle and
part of the drive. In previous years a dose of sodium chlorate would
have
done the job but is no longer readily available.

Any ideaas?

mark



Overkill. Just cut it low down and leave it to die off. IME it does no
damage to brickwork. I removed the tendrils of a huge beast with a 4"
paint scraper.

Wow, your ivy is a lot less vigorous than mine, apparently. We strip it
off the buildings and cut it to ground level, and then do the same thing
2 years later. It grows at an amazing pace and seems to thrive on being
cut back. I can't count the number of times I've had it all the way
down.

I'd be interested in a solution too. I like it in some places, but in
others it's a major PITA.

-E

Of course I should have added, "and dig out the roots". Didn't think it
was necessary :-)

Heh. Never over estimate the intelligence of your audience!

Although I will add that digging out the roots from the base of our
stone walls is very difficult, not only is the ground a sort of
hard-pack but the roots go right into the foundation (what there is of it).

-E

Actually, I found the roots very easy to deal with. I didn't get all of
them out by any means, but it never sprouted again