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Manure too fresh?
I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is
not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Dig it in or bin it? Baz |
Manure too fresh?
Baz wrote:
I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Dig it in or bin it? We had some of that a few years back. Stacked the bags for a year behind the shed (which also acted as weed supressant - although they did grow back a lot stronger after the bags were removed!) and it was great when we wanted to use it. Are you sure you don't have an unused shady corner that you could pop it onto for a while? |
Manure too fresh?
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: Baz wrote: I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Dig it in or bin it? We had some of that a few years back. Stacked the bags for a year behind the shed (which also acted as weed supressant - although they did grow back a lot stronger after the bags were removed!) and it was great when we wanted to use it. Are you sure you don't have an unused shady corner that you could pop it onto for a while? Thanks, but yes I am sure. No unused corners here. Apart from the spare room! Now thats an idea. I'll run it past her when she gets home tomorrow morning. Best time, she will agree to anything then. Just wants to kip after the night shift. Baz |
Manure too fresh?
On 14/10/2012 17:14, Baz wrote:
I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Dig it in or bin it? Baz Leave it in the bags to rot down a bit before you spread it |
Manure too fresh?
On 14/10/2012 17:14, Baz wrote:
I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Why not? Stack it into a roughly 2m cube. Or give away to your other allotment holders the stuff you can't use. ISTR you have plenty of burnt bridges to sort out. Dig it in or bin it? Baz Dig it in if you must but be careful what you grow next year. Far better to let it compost/ferment for a while and then you can get a nice crop of mushrooms off some of it as well. You should compost *some* for that purpose. Decent heat source as well if you do it right. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Manure too fresh?
"Baz" wrote in message
... I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Dig it in or bin it? Don't dig it in and certainly don't bin it. I've used horse manure in my garden in all states from the 'well rotted' to the still steaming and very fresh. It makes a wonderful mulch on fallow beds so given that the UK is now in a garden down time, you could just tip the bag contents out onto a fallow bed and leave it undisturbed till Spring when you'll find lots of worms where the manure meets the soil or you could spread it or put the whole lot in your compost bins and add the red wriggler compost worms. Horse manure is wonderful stuff given that it's so mild and roses in particular seem to love it. And view with some doubt advice given by any person who tells you that manure must be well rotted or it burns. It doesn't, if used with some degree of thought on the part of the gardener. |
Manure too fresh?
On 15/10/2012 02:51, Farm1 wrote:
"Baz" wrote in message ... I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Dig it in or bin it? Don't dig it in and certainly don't bin it. I've used horse manure in my garden in all states from the 'well rotted' to the still steaming and very fresh. It makes a wonderful mulch on fallow beds so given that the UK is now in a garden down time, you could just tip the bag contents out onto a fallow bed and leave it undisturbed till Spring when you'll find lots of worms where the manure meets the soil or you could spread it or put the whole lot in your compost bins and add the red wriggler compost worms. Horse manure is wonderful stuff given that it's so mild and roses in particular seem to love it. And view with some doubt advice given by any person who tells you that manure must be well rotted or it burns. It doesn't, if used with some degree of thought on the part of the gardener. As you got it free, if you wish to leave it, is there a neighbour that has a spare area where you could agree to store it for a while, then he gets an agreed amount of the product. |
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Martin Brown wrote in
: On 14/10/2012 17:14, Baz wrote: I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Why not? Stack it into a roughly 2m cube. In the bedroom perhaps? When I say I have no area, I mean I have no room in the garden. Or give away to your other allotment holders the stuff you can't use. I now see that you think the dung is at the allotment, sorry, it's at home in the garden. I would not give anything to the existing tenants, I would to the newer ones. It's them and us, and they will not let their childish attitude go. They have had it too good for too long. It is not the fault of ours that we have been allowed an allotment because some other greedy sods who have broken their tenancy agreement have been evicted. And I never said anything at the tanancy meeting. I held out my hand and was blackballed. ISTR you have plenty of burnt bridges to sort out. Which bridges are these? You know more about me than I do! Dig it in or bin it? Baz Dig it in if you must but be careful what you grow next year. Far better to let it compost/ferment for a while and then you can get a nice crop of mushrooms off some of it as well. You should compost *some* for that purpose. Decent heat source as well if you do it right. Baz |
Manure too fresh?
Sacha wrote in
: On 2012-10-15 14:39:22 +0100, Baz said: Martin Brown wrote in : On 14/10/2012 17:14, Baz wrote: I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Why not? Stack it into a roughly 2m cube. In the bedroom perhaps? When I say I have no area, I mean I have no room in the garden. snip Baz A long time ago I read a book called The Untidy Gardener. Elizabeth Cragoe said that she once asked a young man to help her by cleaning out the stables, thinking he'd put all the manure and straw into a nice tidy heap to rot down. She went back a few hours later to find he'd thrown it straight onto the flower beds and there were her plants, waving helplessly at her from several inches of manure. They thrived. They didn't burn and they didn't wilt. You may get weeds but you'll certainly get healthy soil and this is the right time of year to apply it and let the frost break it down and the worms take it into the soil for you. Just check first with the donors that their fields weren't sprayed with the weed killer that passes through animals without affecting them. I am quite sure enough that there aren't any weedkillers in there. So here goes, spread it cover it and We will see. Weighed the pros and cons now after the book by E.Cragoe you mentioned.Got to start not pontificating. Be positive. Do the deed. I doubt it will alter anything in the future of a persons being, only indeed the desired effect of such a sickening nature. What is that about? Baz |
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"Martin" wrote in message
... On Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:51:12 +1100, "Farm1" wrote: "Baz" wrote in message . .. I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Dig it in or bin it? Don't dig it in and certainly don't bin it. I've used horse manure in my garden in all states from the 'well rotted' to the still steaming and very fresh. It makes a wonderful mulch on fallow beds so given that the UK is now in a garden down time, you could just tip the bag contents out onto a fallow bed and leave it undisturbed till Spring when you'll find lots of worms where the manure meets the soil or you could spread it or put the whole lot in your compost bins and add the red wriggler compost worms. Horse manure is wonderful stuff given that it's so mild and roses in particular seem to love it. And view with some doubt advice given by any person who tells you that manure must be well rotted or it burns. It doesn't, if used with some degree of thought on the part of the gardener. It does tend to produce lots of weeds if it is just dug in. I've really never understood why anyone digs it in. It makes the most wonderful mulch and worm food and especially over winter. Additionally if it's used mulch-like any weeds can be removed by just a quick disturbance of the surface. |
Manure too fresh?
"Sacha" wrote in message
... On 2012-10-15 14:39:22 +0100, Baz said: Martin Brown wrote in : On 14/10/2012 17:14, Baz wrote: I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Why not? Stack it into a roughly 2m cube. In the bedroom perhaps? When I say I have no area, I mean I have no room in the garden. snip Baz A long time ago I read a book called The Untidy Gardener. Elizabeth Cragoe said that she once asked a young man to help her by cleaning out the stables, thinking he'd put all the manure and straw into a nice tidy heap to rot down. She went back a few hours later to find he'd thrown it straight onto the flower beds and there were her plants, waving helplessly at her from several inches of manure. They thrived. They didn't burn and they didn't wilt. You may get weeds but you'll certainly get healthy soil and this is the right time of year to apply it and let the frost break it down and the worms take it into the soil for you. Yup. |
Manure too fresh?
On 15/10/2012 14:47, Sacha wrote:
She went back a few hours later to find he'd thrown it straight onto the flower beds and there were her plants, waving helplessly at her from several inches of manure. They thrived. They didn't burn and they didn't wilt. Is this another "Old Gardening Chestnut" successfully debunked? There must be a bookful for someone to write listing all the garbage which has accumulated over the years! -- Jeff |
Manure too fresh?
On 16/10/2012 09:18, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 15/10/2012 14:47, Sacha wrote: She went back a few hours later to find he'd thrown it straight onto the flower beds and there were her plants, waving helplessly at her from several inches of manure. They thrived. They didn't burn and they didn't wilt. Is this another "Old Gardening Chestnut" successfully debunked? There must be a bookful for someone to write listing all the garbage which has accumulated over the years! I think it depends a lot on the quality of the manure and how much ammonia it is still producing. That will burn some plants and could rob plant roots of oxygen if you put too much on at once. I am also inclined towards the throw some on as a mulch and let the worms do the digging. Except for beans they get a dollop in the trench. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 16/10/2012 16:49, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-10-16 09:18:56 +0100, Jeff Layman said: On 15/10/2012 14:47, Sacha wrote: She went back a few hours later to find he'd thrown it straight onto the flower beds and there were her plants, waving helplessly at her from several inches of manure. They thrived. They didn't burn and they didn't wilt. Is this another "Old Gardening Chestnut" successfully debunked? There must be a bookful for someone to write listing all the garbage which has accumulated over the years! The exception that proves the rules is supposed to be chicken manure, which really can do some damage. That's best diluted in a bucket of water and the water used as a fertiliser. I've also heard that cow manure can be too strong to apply directly but as I've never tried that, I don't know if it's the case. Why it should be when cows and horses eat grass, hay and feed nuts, I don't know. Unless it's something to do with the way they digest, because cow manure is certainly smellier and you wouldn't want to sit in your garden having just spread that around, imo! But someone may know and have direct experience of it. But horse manure is one of those things that people used to scoop up from the road and shovel straight onto their roses! And of course, at this time of year, it's ideal. Well I have never seen grass dying around the edge of cow pats in fields and you can't get it any fresher than that. David @ the damp end of Swansea Bay |
Manure too fresh?
"Baz" wrote in message ... Martin Brown wrote in : On 14/10/2012 17:14, Baz wrote: I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Why not? Stack it into a roughly 2m cube. In the bedroom perhaps? When I say I have no area, I mean I have no room in the garden. Or give away to your other allotment holders the stuff you can't use. I now see that you think the dung is at the allotment, sorry, it's at home in the garden. I would not give anything to the existing tenants, I would to the newer ones. It's them and us, and they will not let their childish attitude go. They have had it too good for too long. It is not the fault of ours that we have been allowed an allotment because some other greedy sods who have broken their tenancy agreement have been evicted. And I never said anything at the tanancy meeting. I held out my hand and was blackballed. ISTR you have plenty of burnt bridges to sort out. Which bridges are these? You know more about me than I do! ISTR that you called one of the other allotment holders "a fat tart" to her face. That's an incinerated bridge for me. It's totally unacceptable behaviour on a shared site and is why I keep my privately owned 1/3 acre veggie plot for myself and family. Oh, yes, everyone wants in, but I wouldn't risk it just in case I got someone like you who thought it was fine to insult the other plotholders. "If" you ever did such a thing on my ground, your arse would not touch the fence I kicked you over. And the key I gave you to access it would have to be returned immediately. |
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Christina Websell wrote:
ISTR that you called one of the other allotment holders "a fat tart" to her face. That's an incinerated bridge for me. I could be mis-remembering, but I think he only called her that on this newsgroup, not to her face (or even, most likely, anywhere she's ever likely to be aware of, let alone read) |
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"Sacha" wrote in message
... On 2012-10-16 09:18:56 +0100, Jeff Layman said: On 15/10/2012 14:47, Sacha wrote: She went back a few hours later to find he'd thrown it straight onto the flower beds and there were her plants, waving helplessly at her from several inches of manure. They thrived. They didn't burn and they didn't wilt. Is this another "Old Gardening Chestnut" successfully debunked? There must be a bookful for someone to write listing all the garbage which has accumulated over the years! The exception that proves the rules is supposed to be chicken manure, which really can do some damage. That's best diluted in a bucket of water and the water used as a fertiliser. I've also heard that cow manure can be too strong to apply directly but as I've never tried that, I don't know if it's the case. I've brought in fresh cow plops from the paddock and dumped it on beds. I've not had any damage but then I wasn't putting it on seedlings or immature plants or near the stems. |
Manure too fresh?
On Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:14:13 PM UTC+1, Baz wrote:
I have had 40+ open bags of horse manure delivered today, Sunday. So it is not quite retail. It is not rotted and looks like it was "laid" 3 or 4 weeks ago. Ok, I got it for free but was wondering what I am going to do with it. I think it is not weedkiller infested because there is some grass or something growing in some of them. What to do? I don't have a big enough area to compost it. Dig it in or bin it? Baz Rotting and digging in are ways to get maximum result with minimum failures. But that's all. Ignore both and lots of plants are perfectly happy. I don't dig anything in most of the time, just dump it on the surface, the worms etc do the work. One year I had a load of sawdust to get rid of, and was clearing a patch so dug it in. I planted the lowest value crop, cabbages, right away and they thrived. They're all just best practice guidelines. NT |
Manure too fresh?
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
... On 15/10/2012 14:47, Sacha wrote: She went back a few hours later to find he'd thrown it straight onto the flower beds and there were her plants, waving helplessly at her from several inches of manure. They thrived. They didn't burn and they didn't wilt. Is this another "Old Gardening Chestnut" successfully debunked? I've never been convinced by any advice given by anyone about manure 'burning' plants. I think the reason for that is that I've used manure for decades and sometimes in very fresh condition but I've always thought about how and where I will use it and i have always ahd big garens. I wouldn't put hen manure from directly under the perchs straight on a bed of tiny seedlings, but I have dumped a lot of underperch poo under an Alister Clark climbing rose which like many of his roses had been bred with rosa gigantea in it's parentage. No ill effects and that manure was still soggy and very fresh. Just 2 days ago we had to hack that rose back because it was threatening to strangle anyone trying to use the gate to get into the orchard. |
Manure too fresh?
wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: ISTR that you called one of the other allotment holders "a fat tart" to her face. That's an incinerated bridge for me. I could be mis-remembering, but I think he only called her that on this newsgroup, not to her face (or even, most likely, anywhere she's ever likely to be aware of, let alone read) No, I think he did it to her face. If that is so, he'd be off my place immediately The key would be changed. Inexcusable. |
Manure too fresh?
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2012-10-18 20:08:01 +0100, "Christina Websell" said: wrote in message ... Christina Websell wrote: ISTR that you called one of the other allotment holders "a fat tart" to her face. That's an incinerated bridge for me. I could be mis-remembering, but I think he only called her that on this newsgroup, not to her face (or even, most likely, anywhere she's ever likely to be aware of, let alone read) No, I think he did it to her face. If that is so, he'd be off my place immediately The key would be changed. Inexcusable. No, he did not say he'd done that. He described her as such on here and it's nothing to do with any of us. -- I disagree. He did say he'd said it to her ( or her husband) He's made a very bad start on his allotment. IMO. If you want to share you have to be nice. |
Manure too fresh?
Christina Websell wrote:
I could be mis-remembering, but I think he only called her that on this newsgroup, not to her face (or even, most likely, anywhere she's ever likely to be aware of, let alone read) No, I think he did it to her face. If that is so, he'd be off my place immediately The key would be changed. Inexcusable. No, he did not say he'd done that. He described her as such on here and it's nothing to do with any of us. -- I disagree. He did say he'd said it to her ( or her husband) He's made a very bad start on his allotment. IMO. If you want to share you have to be nice. No, he really didn't say that he'd said it to her or her husband. I went back and checked, and you appear to have interpretted it in this way in this way there, too. But nowhere that I found did he say that he called her that, only refered to her as that in the post here. Which in theory, she could read, but I would put that down as "highly unlikely". |
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