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We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and
saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Indeed ! Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? Regards Pete |
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:04:10 +0100, "Pete"
wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message ... We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Indeed ! Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? Regards Pete They look like overweight blue tits with much less blue and yellow. Steve -- EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 12:04:10 +0100, "Pete" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message ... We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Indeed ! Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? Regards Pete They look like overweight blue tits with much less blue and yellow. Steve -- EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com Thanks Steve, that explains what we have quite often, but it's the Long Tailed Tits which seem to sweep by as a 'squadron'. They seem to come in a flock working their way across the gardens working down the road. Each of our gardens are about 25 ft wide so they don't stay long. cross posted to uk.rec.birdwatching to keep it on topic Mike |
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On 2013-04-21 12:04:10 +0100, Pete said:
"Sacha" wrote in message ... We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Indeed ! Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? Regards Pete Smaller, mostly black and white with no blue or yellow on them. Look a bit scruffy! It's very like a marsh tit, or so I gather but we have no marshes near here, so.....! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 21/04/2013 12:20, Roger Tonkin wrote:
In article , says... We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! We get them quite regularly, or they may be marsh tits. I've never had the bino's to hand and the book ready when they appear, and they never seem to stay still for long enough to get a good view of them! Never seen a g&t in the garden, nor in the house for that matter! Rather like a coal tit but no white stripe up the back of the head, I've found that a fluffed out Black cap looks very like them. http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...psc935b2c9.jpg David @ the damp end of Swansea Bay |
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'Mike' wrote:
"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message ... Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? They look like overweight blue tits with much less blue and yellow. I understand that if unsure whether a bird is a March Tit or Willow Tit it can be called a Marlow Tit, even if not from that portion of the Thames... Mike. -- If reply address is (invalid), remove spurious "@" and substitute "plus" for +. |
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote:
We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! Pam in Bristol |
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"Pam Moore" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote: We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! Pam in Bristol .............................................. Having appeared on stage on a cruise in the Mikado, I know what you mean :-) Mike |
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"Mike Coon" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: "Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message ... Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? They look like overweight blue tits with much less blue and yellow. I understand that if unsure whether a bird is a March Tit or Willow Tit it can be called a Marlow Tit, even if not from that portion of the Thames... Mike. -- If reply address is (invalid), remove spurious "@" and substitute "plus" for +. As they are difficult to differentiate, that seems like a very good compromise. :-) Bill |
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"Pam Moore" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote: We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! Pam in Bristol Oh! Piti Sing. Bill |
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"'Mike'" wrote in message ... "Pam Moore" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote: We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! Pam in Bristol ............................................. Having appeared on stage on a cruise in the Mikado, I know what you mean :-) Mike Was the Mikado sail or steam ? Bill |
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"Bill Grey" wrote in message ... "'Mike'" wrote in message ... "Pam Moore" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote: We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! Pam in Bristol ............................................. Having appeared on stage on a cruise in the Mikado, I know what you mean :-) Mike Was the Mikado sail or steam ? Bill .................................................. . Bill it was PandO's Aurora East Coast of America and Canada cruise :-) Mike |
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On 21/04/2013 12:56, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-04-21 12:04:10 +0100, Pete said: "Sacha" wrote in message ... We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Indeed ! Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? Regards Pete Smaller, mostly black and white with no blue or yellow on them. Look a bit scruffy! It's very like a marsh tit, or so I gather but we have no marshes near here, so.....! Trying to sort Willow tits from Marsh tits, isn't easy. This article helps, esp the 2 pictures, and if you compare the pic of mine of the Black cap fluffed out it gets even harder http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...psc935b2c9.jpg The Black cap has a longer beak and the cap is a little more on the top of the head. David |
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On 2013-04-21 18:32:57 +0100, David Hill said:
On 21/04/2013 12:56, Sacha wrote: On 2013-04-21 12:04:10 +0100, Pete said: "Sacha" wrote in message ... We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Indeed ! Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? Regards Pete Smaller, mostly black and white with no blue or yellow on them. Look a bit scruffy! It's very like a marsh tit, or so I gather but we have no marshes near here, so.....! Trying to sort Willow tits from Marsh tits, isn't easy. This article helps, esp the 2 pictures, and if you compare the pic of mine of the Black cap fluffed out it gets even harder http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...psc935b2c9.jpg The Black cap has a longer beak and the cap is a little more on the top of the head. David This is very tricky. It was hard to see this bird really clearly as it was darting in and out of the climbing rose where the feeders hang. We're both clear it was black & white with no colour that we could see. I *thought* it had a white streak over the eye but can't see that on anything I've hunted for on web sites so I think my vision of it was too obscured to be certain. WHEN the sun returns and we go back to a 'drink in the garden before supper', we'll have another look for it. We seem to be having a few previously unseen avian visitors this year and last. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 2013-04-21 16:31:07 +0100, Pam Moore said:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote: We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! Pam in Bristol Yes! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 21/04/2013 18:40, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-04-21 18:32:57 +0100, David Hill said: On 21/04/2013 12:56, Sacha wrote: On 2013-04-21 12:04:10 +0100, Pete said: "Sacha" wrote in message ... We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Indeed ! Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? Regards Pete Smaller, mostly black and white with no blue or yellow on them. Look a bit scruffy! It's very like a marsh tit, or so I gather but we have no marshes near here, so.....! Trying to sort Willow tits from Marsh tits, isn't easy. This article helps, esp the 2 pictures, and if you compare the pic of mine of the Black cap fluffed out it gets even harder http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...psc935b2c9.jpg The Black cap has a longer beak and the cap is a little more on the top of the head. David This is very tricky. It was hard to see this bird really clearly as it was darting in and out of the climbing rose where the feeders hang. We're both clear it was black & white with no colour that we could see. I *thought* it had a white streak over the eye but can't see that on anything I've hunted for on web sites so I think my vision of it was too obscured to be certain. WHEN the sun returns and we go back to a 'drink in the garden before supper', we'll have another look for it. We seem to be having a few previously unseen avian visitors this year and last. The white streak makes me think it was a Coal Tit |
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On 21/04/2013 20:06, David Hill wrote:
On 21/04/2013 18:40, Sacha wrote: On 2013-04-21 18:32:57 +0100, David Hill said: On 21/04/2013 12:56, Sacha wrote: On 2013-04-21 12:04:10 +0100, Pete said: "Sacha" wrote in message ... We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Indeed ! Fraid - I always have trouble differentiating between the various varieties of tits. What are the defining visual factors of this willow variety ? Regards Pete Smaller, mostly black and white with no blue or yellow on them. Look a bit scruffy! It's very like a marsh tit, or so I gather but we have no marshes near here, so.....! Trying to sort Willow tits from Marsh tits, isn't easy. This article helps, esp the 2 pictures, and if you compare the pic of mine of the Black cap fluffed out it gets even harder http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...psc935b2c9.jpg The Black cap has a longer beak and the cap is a little more on the top of the head. David This is very tricky. It was hard to see this bird really clearly as it was darting in and out of the climbing rose where the feeders hang. We're both clear it was black & white with no colour that we could see. I *thought* it had a white streak over the eye but can't see that on anything I've hunted for on web sites so I think my vision of it was too obscured to be certain. WHEN the sun returns and we go back to a 'drink in the garden before supper', we'll have another look for it. We seem to be having a few previously unseen avian visitors this year and last. The white streak makes me think it was a Coal Tit Forgot the link http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...psedc77951.jpg |
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"Stephen Wolstenholme" wrote in message ... They look like overweight blue tits with much less blue and yellow. Steve They remind me of zebra finches, but without the black and white stripes or large beak. |
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If it's got white on it, it's not a black cap. Coal tits have a white stripe down the back of their heads which is obvious, and unmistakeable once you've seen it. The Devon Bird Atlas says: " Likewise, both the National and Devon status of Willow Tit appear to have declined further and most local sightings of ‘black-capped’ tits perhaps now involve Marsh Tit." |
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On 2013-04-21 20:06:33 +0100, David Hill said:
On 21/04/2013 18:40, Sacha wrote: snip This is very tricky. It was hard to see this bird really clearly as it was darting in and out of the climbing rose where the feeders hang. We're both clear it was black & white with no colour that we could see. I *thought* it had a white streak over the eye but can't see that on anything I've hunted for on web sites so I think my vision of it was too obscured to be certain. WHEN the sun returns and we go back to a 'drink in the garden before supper', we'll have another look for it. We seem to be having a few previously unseen avian visitors this year and last. The white streak makes me think it was a Coal Tit And I think you're absolutely right! Thanks, David! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 2013-04-21 22:16:45 +0100, kay said:
snip Willow tits and marsh tits are so similar it's not worth trying to differentiate. If it's got white on it, it's not a black cap. Coal tits have a white stripe down the back of their heads which is obvious, and unmistakeable once you've seen it. The Devon Bird Atlas says: " Likewise, both the National and Devon status of Willow Tit appear to have declined further and most local sightings of ‘black-capped’ tits perhaps now involve Marsh Tit." I'm pretty sure David's correct and it was a Coal Tit. I'll look out for it again but as it was a bit obscured by a climbing rose's stems, we couldn't get a clear look at it. But the Coal tit sounds much more likely. Thanks, Kay. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:01:49 +0100, "Bill Grey"
wrote: "Pam Moore" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote: We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! Pam in Bristol Oh! Piti Sing. Bill and maybe Yum Yum: maybe not in this case! Pam in Bristol |
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On 22/04/2013 10:33, Pam Moore wrote:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:01:49 +0100, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Pam Moore" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote: We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! Pam in Bristol Oh! Piti Sing. Bill and maybe Yum Yum: maybe not in this case! Pam in Bristol Our Sparrow Hawk he say Yes very Yum Yum |
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On 2013-04-22 10:33:00 +0100, Pam Moore said:
On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 18:01:49 +0100, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Pam Moore" wrote in message ... On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote: We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! Pam in Bristol Oh! Piti Sing. Bill and maybe Yum Yum: maybe not in this case! Pam in Bristol A thing of rags and patches! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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In article , nospamigg1937
@yahoo.co.uk says... On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 11:43:08 +0100, Sacha wrote: We had our first g&t of the year in the garden yesterday evening and saw what we think is the first ever willow tit here. What a special occasion! Did anyone else start singing "tit willow, tit willow, tit willow"? None but G&S fans will know what I mean! No, but I did think it a strange material for a prosthesis. -- Sam |
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Long-tailed tits are another that we have daily in the garden, yet I know other people have never had them. |
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On 2013-04-23 08:49:49 +0100, kay said:
'Sacha[_10_ Wrote: ;981583'] I'm pretty sure David's correct and it was a Coal Tit. I'll look out for it again but as it was a bit obscured by a climbing rose's stems, we couldn't get a clear look at it. But the Coal tit sounds much more likely. Thanks, Kay. - Coal tits are massively more common than marsh tits and willow tits. They're in our garden every day, and bolder than the other tits in coming to the feeder and fats closest to the window. I can never get used to the idea that other gardeners may not have seen them - I must look up their distribution - maybe they're commoner in the north? Long-tailed tits are another that we have daily in the garden, yet I know other people have never had them. I don't recall seeing a coal tit here before, though we get great tits and blue tits frequently. As you know, we saw long-tailed tits for the first time last year (or maybe the year before, I lose track of time here!) and we've seen bullfinches only occasionally. The blue tits used to be here in huge numbers, then it declined and now seems to be coming up again, at least a bit. Our most numerous birds are sparrows, blackbirds, rooks, jackdaws and chaffinches. Last year, blackbird numbers had dropped considerably but seem to be up again this year. We often see or hear a woodpecker and there are lots of buzzards round here too. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 2013-04-23 09:38:43 +0100, Sacha said:
On 2013-04-23 08:49:49 +0100, kay said: 'Sacha[_10_ Wrote: ;981583'] I'm pretty sure David's correct and it was a Coal Tit. I'll look out for it again but as it was a bit obscured by a climbing rose's stems, we couldn't get a clear look at it. But the Coal tit sounds much more likely. Thanks, Kay. - Coal tits are massively more common than marsh tits and willow tits. They're in our garden every day, and bolder than the other tits in coming to the feeder and fats closest to the window. I can never get used to the idea that other gardeners may not have seen them - I must look up their distribution - maybe they're commoner in the north? Long-tailed tits are another that we have daily in the garden, yet I know other people have never had them. I don't recall seeing a coal tit here before, though we get great tits and blue tits frequently. As you know, we saw long-tailed tits for the first time last year (or maybe the year before, I lose track of time here!) and we've seen bullfinches only occasionally. The blue tits used to be here in huge numbers, then it declined and now seems to be coming up again, at least a bit. Our most numerous birds are sparrows, blackbirds, rooks, jackdaws and chaffinches. Last year, blackbird numbers had dropped considerably but seem to be up again this year. We often see or hear a woodpecker and there are lots of buzzards round here too. I had meant to add to this that yesterday we had lunch at a restaurant on the banks of the River Teign, close to Newton Abbot. We saw the resident swans but also one egret and many swallows. We saw two lonely swallows scudding over the fields near us on Friday evening. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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(Come to that, it's the only place I've seen redpolls and bramblings.) And we saw a goldcrest in a conifer down by the streamside. |
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