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Rain water storage
I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite
well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? |
Rain water storage
We have 5 across the back of the garage and have had the same problem. I
took them all out again and gave the washers a good coating of mastick inside and out. When nd if it leaks again, as long as it is only a small leak, I find that the general crud seems to seal it up again. Thanks for the lollipop ;-) Mike "Broadback" wrote in message ... I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? |
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On 26/07/2013 09:57, Broadback wrote:
I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? I link mine with a siphon over the top. Much less inclined to leak that way although no good in a cold winter as the pipes will freeze and it fails with an airlock if ever the water level gets to low. How big do you want it? The one built into my Belgian greenhouse was made by a combination of 10cm thick cast concrete and was roughly 2m x 1m x 1.5m. It took the water from the greenhouse roof. It was almost waterproof from the outset but had the odd annoying leak from time to time hence eventually the need to line it with butyl. Otherwise the next best might well be a scrapped single skin plastic 1500L oiltank recycled from a neighbour or new for about £300. Worth asking on uk.d-i-y for better ways to do it with minimum effort. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
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On 26/07/2013 09:57, Broadback wrote:
I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? Does my Butt look big? http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ps05706019.jpg |
Rain water storage
I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite
well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? Google IBC tanks. They can be bought quite cheaply from eBay. Or keep a look out for local factories throwing them out. Mike |
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 09:57:15 +0100, Broadback
wrote: I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? It's years since I needed to store a lot of rainwater. After trying water butts I decided to dig a pond. The house roof drainage was redirected to keep the pond full. Water was taken from the pond as needed from a constantly running waterfall pump. Steve -- EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: It's years since I needed to store a lot of rainwater. After trying water butts I decided to dig a pond. The house roof drainage was redirected to keep the pond full. Water was taken from the pond as needed from a constantly running waterfall pump. Nice. How bigs the pond, please? John |
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On Friday 26 July 2013 09:57 Broadback wrote in uk.rec.gardening:
I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? Make better joints. What fittings and pipe are you using now? -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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I use something like this ...
http://www.screwfix.com/search.do?fh_search=overflow%20waste%20pipe&cm_mmc =MSN-_-Plumbing%20|%20Drainage%20and%20Sewerage%20|%20Gen eric-_-Pipes%20-%20Overflows%20-%20Exact-_-overflow%20pipe Two flanges to get the mastic/putty onto. Mike "'Mike'" wrote in message ... We have 5 across the back of the garage and have had the same problem. I took them all out again and gave the washers a good coating of mastick inside and out. When nd if it leaks again, as long as it is only a small leak, I find that the general crud seems to seal it up again. Thanks for the lollipop ;-) Mike "Broadback" wrote in message ... I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? |
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"'Mike'" wrote in message ... I use something like this ... http://www.screwfix.com/search.do?fh_search=overflow%20waste%20pipe&cm_mmc =MSN-_-Plumbing%20|%20Drainage%20and%20Sewerage%20|%20Gen eric-_-Pipes%20-%20Overflows%20-%20Exact-_-overflow%20pipe Two flanges to get the mastic/putty onto. What that link doesn't identify is the straight tank connector Mike "'Mike'" wrote in message ... We have 5 across the back of the garage and have had the same problem. I took them all out again and gave the washers a good coating of mastick inside and out. When nd if it leaks again, as long as it is only a small leak, I find that the general crud seems to seal it up again. Thanks for the lollipop ;-) Mike "Broadback" wrote in message ... I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? |
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:34:06 +0100, "Muddymike"
wrote: I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? Google IBC tanks. They can be bought quite cheaply from eBay. Or keep a look out for local factories throwing them out. Mike We got 3 @£20 each a year or so ago. Now they want £38 each! -- http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk |
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:34:06 +0100, "Muddymike"
wrote: I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? Google IBC tanks. They can be bought quite cheaply from eBay. Or keep a look out for local factories throwing them out. Mike We got 3 @£20 each a year or so ago. Now they want £38 each! That's the laws of "supply and demand" for you. Last year was wet, this year we are heading for drought! Mike |
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On 26/07/2013 12:28, Tim Watts wrote:
On Friday 26 July 2013 09:57 Broadback wrote in uk.rec.gardening: I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? Make better joints. What fittings and pipe are you using now? The ones normally supplied with butts, using flexible piping. |
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:17:59 +0100, Another John
wrote: In article , Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: It's years since I needed to store a lot of rainwater. After trying water butts I decided to dig a pond. The house roof drainage was redirected to keep the pond full. Water was taken from the pond as needed from a constantly running waterfall pump. Nice. How bigs the pond, please? John It was about 4000 litres. Steve -- EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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"Broadback" wrote ...
I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? Too late for you now but I just let the water overflow from one to the other, each tank is set slightly lower than the first to allow for this and the only "connections" that are below water level are the taps which they all need. The first one collects most of the muck off the roof too leaving the other quite clean. You need taps on all of them so you drain one first (the dirty one so you can clean it out) and then go to the next. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 17:38:25 +0100, Bob Hobden wrote:
You need taps on all of them so you drain one first (the dirty one so you can clean it out) and then go to the next. And so that a leak doesn't drain them all... Siphons failing if the water level gets to low can be mostly solved by having the bottom ends of the inverted U just a couple of inches above the bottom of each tank. MBC's are good, large and relatively cheap but are translucent. Algae will grow in them unless you cover 'em with something opaque. I'm about to press a similar sized old galvanised water tank into water butt service. Something that has been waiting for a tuit for 12 years... need to inspect it first to see what it's like inside the outside is very good. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 16:22:59 +0100, Janet wrote:
In article , says... On Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:17:59 +0100, Another John wrote: In article , Stephen Wolstenholme wrote: It's years since I needed to store a lot of rainwater. After trying water butts I decided to dig a pond. The house roof drainage was redirected to keep the pond full. Water was taken from the pond as needed from a constantly running waterfall pump. Nice. How bigs the pond, please? John It was about 4000 litres. What happened in winter to the overflow, when roof drainage continued to fill the pond and you didn't need to water the garden? Janet. The overflow ran into the main rain drain as the roof drainage once did. Effectively the roof drainage was the same as ever with a pond along the flow. Steve -- EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
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On Friday 26 July 2013 13:54 Broadback wrote in uk.rec.gardening:
On 26/07/2013 12:28, Tim Watts wrote: On Friday 26 July 2013 09:57 Broadback wrote in uk.rec.gardening: I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? Make better joints. What fittings and pipe are you using now? The ones normally supplied with butts, using flexible piping. Oh. That's your problem then. I would look at either proper plumbing fittings (tank connectors) and some plastic pipe (eg JG Speedfit or MDPE) between them. 22mm pipe will be enough. Or visit a Koi pond supply shop - they usually stock a wide range of tough tank connectors and flexible pipe. -- Tim Watts Personal Blog: http://squiddy.blog.dionic.net/ http://www.sensorly.com/ Crowd mapping of 2G/3G/4G mobile signal coverage |
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On 26/07/2013 18:00, Dave Liquorice wrote:
above the bottom of each tank. There is a distinct advantage connecting them at the bottom. There is effectively one large tank,as opposed to three smaller ones. This makes if much easier to extract the water, either by a single tap of a submersible pump in one tank. |
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:03:32 +0100, Broadback wrote:
above the bottom of each tank. There is a distinct advantage connecting them at the bottom. There is effectively one large tank,as opposed to three smaller ones. This makes if much easier to extract the water, either by a single tap of a submersible pump in one tank. But a leak anywhere empties everything but the so would siphons with the U ends near the bottoms. B-) Think I'd go for the cascading overflow system and taps on each tank. Only one hole to leak below the water line. Proper taps not the cheap plastic tat that comes with or sold as "water butt taps". The current butt has a 15 mm lever ball valve, female BSP one side screws directly onto the tank connector, compression the other onto a bit of pipe with an elbow. Easy to operate and reliable. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 10:21:51 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:
... these are due to stress failures in the moulding of the butt with the tap, around the tap-hole, because the taps are rather stiff and cause the butt to flex slightly. Yep, that's what caused failure here though it was the plastic tap that gave up rather than the butt. That's why I have the ball valve, very easy to operate so much less force transfered to the butt. Also better flow. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 26/07/13 09:57, Broadback wrote:
I have set up three rainwater butts, linked at the bottom. works quite well but from time to time develops a leak in one joint or another. I have been looking at larger storage tanks, but they seem ridiculously expensive. Any suggestions? Pre-loved orange-juice concentrate shipping containers - about 1,000 gallons, and can be had for peanuts. I've seen them sold for as little as £20.(Got mine free...) -- Rusty Hinge |
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On 26/07/13 17:38, Bob Hobden wrote:
Too late for you now but I just let the water overflow from one to the other, each tank is set slightly lower than the first to allow for this and the only "connections" that are below water level are the taps which they all need. The first one collects most of the muck off the roof too leaving the other quite clean. You need taps on all of them so you drain one first (the dirty one so you can clean it out) and then go to the next. That's how some of mine are connected. The downpipes are well below the surface and one leg of a pair of tights is clamped round each. This collects all the detritus, but requires servicing from time to time. Don't ask where I get the tights... -- Rusty Hinge |
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