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looks to be a great year for mushrooms
All of the elements are there, rainy spring and hot summer, now good weather with some rain. We got about a kg of varied bolets last ramble, including cepes, tetes bronzees, bolet jaunes. Saw some girolles but they were already too old! Obligatory note: don't gather and eat mushrooms unless you know what your doing! -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
On 27/09/2013 16:56, Emery Davis wrote:
All of the elements are there, rainy spring and hot summer, now good weather with some rain. We got about a kg of varied bolets last ramble, including cepes, tetes bronzees, bolet jaunes. Saw some girolles but they were already too old! Obligatory note: don't gather and eat mushrooms unless you know what your doing! Just found several mushrooms on the lawn. I /think/ they are boletus chrysenteron (red cracking bolete). But it is interesting how different photos appear to be in books or on the internet for what is supposed to be a common and distinctive species which is "easy" to identify. Don't even "experienced" collectors sometimes make mistakes? And they will only make it once if they misidentify Amanita phalloides! -- Jeff |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
On 28/09/13 10:11, Jeff Layman wrote:
But it is interesting how different photos appear to be in books or on the internet for what is supposed to be a common and distinctive species which is "easy" to identify. Just so. That's why it is highly advisable to: - look at *multiple* photos of multiple specimens (Roger Philips' book is good) - carefully check the *written* description of each species - work through the identification key to try and guess what else it might be |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
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Jeff Layman wrote: On 27/09/2013 16:56, Emery Davis wrote: All of the elements are there, rainy spring and hot summer, now good weather with some rain. We got about a kg of varied bolets last ramble, including cepes, tetes bronzees, bolet jaunes. Saw some girolles but they were already too old! Obligatory note: don't gather and eat mushrooms unless you know what your doing! Just found several mushrooms on the lawn. I /think/ they are boletus chrysenteron (red cracking bolete). But it is interesting how different photos appear to be in books or on the internet for what is supposed to be a common and distinctive species which is "easy" to identify. Don't even "experienced" collectors sometimes make mistakes? And they will only make it once if they misidentify Amanita phalloides! That is why there is a gradation of rules. There are some fairly simple ones that will keep you away from the lethal species, with VERY high probability. For example, there are no lethal boleti in the UK, and some rules to identify that a fungus is at least one of those. Similarly, if a mushroom has clearly pink or brown gills, it is definitely not an Amanita or one of some other lethal mushroom-like fungi. You may still get ill, but are unlikely to die. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
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looks to be a great year for mushrooms
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Fuschia wrote: All of the elements are there, rainy spring and hot summer, now good weather with some rain. We got about a kg of varied bolets last ramble, including cepes, tetes bronzees, bolet jaunes. Saw some girolles but they were already too old! Obligatory note: don't gather and eat mushrooms unless you know what your doing! Just found several mushrooms on the lawn. I /think/ they are boletus chrysenteron (red cracking bolete). But it is interesting how different photos appear to be in books or on the internet for what is supposed to be a common and distinctive species which is "easy" to identify. Don't even "experienced" collectors sometimes make mistakes? And they will only make it once if they misidentify Amanita phalloides! That is why there is a gradation of rules. There are some fairly simple ones that will keep you away from the lethal species, with VERY high probability. For example, there are no lethal boleti in the UK, and some rules to identify that a fungus is at least one of those. Similarly, if a mushroom has clearly pink or brown gills, it is definitely not an Amanita or one of some other lethal mushroom-like fungi. You may still get ill, but are unlikely to die. You may still get ill, but are unlikely to die That's reassuring, but still not a very attractive proposition. I think I'll stick to shop bought mushrooms :) You may still get ill, but are unlikely to die. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 15:15:39 +0100, Malcolm wrote:
That is why there is a gradation of rules. There are some fairly simple ones that will keep you away from the lethal species, with VERY high probability. For example, there are no lethal boleti in the UK, Hmm, I'm not sure I would want to eat B.satanoides and certainly not B.satanus (aka Satan's or Devil's Boletus!). The clue is in the names, perhaps Around here the Satan is very rare indeed, although I have found one once in nearly 25 years shrooming the area. But if you can't recognise this one, you probably have no business eating wild mushrooms anyway. It's pretty distinctive. Found a big basket of hedgehog mushrooms (pieds de moutons) since the first post, another one that's very safe. Today only a few cepes though, it's still too dry even after the recent rains. Lots of B. piperatus scattered around, but we left them. Lots of Macrolepiota procera (lepiote elevee) this morning too, but I think I'll pick them tomorrow for lunch. -- Gardening in Lower Normandy |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
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Malcolm wrote: In article , Nick Maclaren writes In article , Jeff Layman wrote: On 27/09/2013 16:56, Emery Davis wrote: All of the elements are there, rainy spring and hot summer, now good weather with some rain. We got about a kg of varied bolets last ramble, including cepes, tetes bronzees, bolet jaunes. Saw some girolles but they were already too old! Obligatory note: don't gather and eat mushrooms unless you know what your doing! Just found several mushrooms on the lawn. I /think/ they are boletus chrysenteron (red cracking bolete). But it is interesting how different photos appear to be in books or on the internet for what is supposed to be a common and distinctive species which is "easy" to identify. Don't even "experienced" collectors sometimes make mistakes? And they will only make it once if they misidentify Amanita phalloides! That is why there is a gradation of rules. There are some fairly simple ones that will keep you away from the lethal species, with VERY high probability. For example, there are no lethal boleti in the UK, Hmm, I'm not sure I would want to eat B.satanoides and certainly not B.satanus (aka Satan's or Devil's Boletus!). The clue is in the names, perhaps :-) No, but there are simple, secondary rules to avoid those, too. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
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looks to be a great year for mushrooms
On 28/09/2013 18:17, Fuschia wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 12:10:25 +0100 (BST), (Nick Maclaren) wrote: (snip) You may still get ill, but are unlikely to die. smile I think Nick's comment comes under the general heading of "damning with faint praise". ;-) -- Jeff |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
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Malcolm wrote: Obligatory note: don't gather and eat mushrooms unless you know what your doing! Just found several mushrooms on the lawn. I /think/ they are boletus chrysenteron (red cracking bolete). But it is interesting how different photos appear to be in books or on the internet for what is supposed to be a common and distinctive species which is "easy" to identify. Don't even "experienced" collectors sometimes make mistakes? And they will only make it once if they misidentify Amanita phalloides! That is why there is a gradation of rules. There are some fairly simple ones that will keep you away from the lethal species, with VERY high probability. For example, there are no lethal boleti in the UK, Hmm, I'm not sure I would want to eat B.satanoides and certainly not B.satanus (aka Satan's or Devil's Boletus!). The clue is in the names, perhaps :-) No, but there are simple, secondary rules to avoid those, too. Sure, if you actually know about the rules and can follow them accurately , but B.satanus remains potentially "lethal", and so I was merely indicating that your claim that "there are no lethal boleti in the UK" deserves treating with caution. As far as I know, there are no recorded deaths from it in all history, and there is only one such death from ANY boletus, in any part of the world! Virtually all foods are potentially lethal, because some people react against virtually every food, and that sometimes leads to death. However, B. satanas is poisonous in the sense that essentially everybody will react against it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
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Malcolm wrote: I asked if you could post a URL for the "rules" for identifying edible and non-edible fungi, but you appear to have snipped it. I'm sure such a URL would be welcomed by many here. Doubtless. I have no idea whether there is one. I always refer people to good books on British fungi, but am not familiar enough with what is available to post a reliable list, and therefore do not do so. Nor am I expert enough to write a checklist, though I do know rules that will select a subset of safe fungi. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
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Malcolm wrote: I asked if you could post a URL for the "rules" for identifying edible and non-edible fungi, but you appear to have snipped it. I'm sure such a URL would be welcomed by many here. Doubtless. I have no idea whether there is one. I always refer people to good books on British fungi, but am not familiar enough with what is available to post a reliable list, and therefore do not do so. Nor am I expert enough to write a checklist, though I do know rules that will select a subset of safe fungi. You specifically mentioned "rules" and "secondary rules" as if they existed. For example "That is why there is a gradation of rules. There are some fairly simple ones that will keep you away from the lethal species, with VERY high probability." and "there are simple, secondary rules to avoid those, too." So, if these "rules" and "secondary rules" will help people avoid poisonous fungi, where are they, please? It is not my business to spoon-feed you. You can learn them, the same way that I did. Or remain ignorant. It is your call. There are several other regular posters who are clearly familiar with similar or equivalent rules. It is 40 years since I did much fungus collection and, while I can remember some of the rules, I can neither remember all of them nor exactly where I learnt them from, though books by Ramsbottom would be a good start. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
looks to be a great year for mushrooms
On 29/09/13 11:49, Malcolm wrote:
I asked if you could post a URL for the "rules" for identifying edible and non-edible fungi, but you appear to have snipped it. I'm sure such a URL would be welcomed by many here. I'd be surprised if anyone knowledgeable would dare publish such a list. The problem is that all of the old wives tales fail in some important cases. More modern rules are either overly cautious, ambiguous, have the same limitation, or all three. There really is no substitute to knowing what's necessary to differentiate species, then rigorously checking /all/ the characteristics against multiple references. Having said that, have a look at the key at http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/ |
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