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I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5
million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 29/09/2013 12:39, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:16:20 +0100, Sacha wrote: I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. If they counted the viewers who sleep through GW the figure would be far less than 1.5 million. I suspect you mean *discounted*, but I know what you mean ;~). I quite enjoy watching it, but don't often feel I've learned much, except perhaps in veg growing. -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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On 2013-09-29 13:41:01 +0100, Jake said:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:16:20 +0100, Sacha wrote: I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. According to BARB, the 13/9 programme drew 2.03m. I think PS means that they fluctuate week by week and have been as low as 1.5m. IIRC, the fluctuation is between 2.5 and 1.5m. Whilst it's a fact that viewing figures have reduced since the death of Geoff Hamilton, I doubt that presenter/format changes alone have caused the reduction from the 4.5m figure. TV delivery has changed substantially in the intervening period and viewing habits have changed substantially as a result. The group has discussed the whys and why nots of watching GW many times. Whilst I fall into the nots group, I worry that PS's repeated criticisms will lead not to improvement but to its demise; after all programmes with figures higher than GW have been cancelled before now. I think what he's hoping to get is what he considers to be better presentation. Just recently in the trade press, there was a new brouhaha about MD not having visited a garden centre in 11 years, which is hardly helpful to the industry which, at least partially, causes him to be employed. I can only assume that if he plants some new in his own garden, one of his assistants is sent off to buy it. It does seem a very peculiar - even arrogant - stance for a gardening authority figure. http://www.hortweek.com/Retail/artic...pt-falls-flat/ -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 2013-09-29 15:56:31 +0100, Janet said:
In article , says... On 2013-09-29 13:41:01 +0100, Jake said: On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:16:20 +0100, Sacha According to BARB, the 13/9 programme drew 2.03m. I think PS means that they fluctuate week by week and have been as low as 1.5m. IIRC, the fluctuation is between 2.5 and 1.5m. Whilst it's a fact that viewing figures have reduced since the death of Geoff Hamilton, I doubt that presenter/format changes alone have caused the reduction from the 4.5m figure. TV delivery has changed substantially in the intervening period and viewing habits have changed substantially as a result. Exactly. The group has discussed the whys and why nots of watching GW many times. Whilst I fall into the nots group, I worry that PS's repeated criticisms will lead not to improvement but to its demise; after all programmes with figures higher than GW have been cancelled before now. I think what he's hoping to get is what he considers to be better presentation. Just recently in the trade press, there was a new brouhaha about MD not having visited a garden centre in 11 years, which is hardly helpful to the industry which, at least partially, causes him to be employed. Nonsense. He is employed by the BBC as a TV presenter; not, to tout for business for garden centres and horticultural trades. The BBC is not a commercial broadcaster, does not sell advertising time, so there is NO sense in which any BBC presenter owes their employment to the horticultural trade. Without the horticultural trade, the plants they breed, the plants they sell and the plants they propagate, there would be no gardeners, no GW and no job for gardening presenters. I certainly agree it is not GW's job to promote particular plants or garden centre in a "let's push this because old so and so has a couple of thousand he can't shift" but half the point of a gardening programme is to tell the public of new plant introductions, which plants can be used where and which varieties are particularly successful in certain soils, locations or even parts of the country. The frustration on here when plant names aren't shown is more than obvious! I can only assume that if he plants some new in his own garden, one of his assistants is sent off to buy it. Well that is hilarious, given how often you have loudly insisted that your husbands nursery business is NOT to be confused with a garden centre. A garden the size of MD's calls for bulk buying and planting, and nobody in their senses buys in dozens or scores at Garden Centre prices. Instead,owners of large gardens buy stock direct from trade growers and producers, which is more economical, better quality; and, they can specify the size they want. His garden is only about 2 acres, apparently, and other than hedging or an orchard, there is no call for 'bulk buying', especially as he's such a proponent of propagation. Nobody is likely to see him plant 48 Hostas or 60 Hydrangeas, bought-in. He has said himself that in the early 90s he spent £1300 on 1400 trees and hedging plants at a tree sale. He said that he only got them at such a good price because it was a pouring wet day and few people turned out or stayed home to watch the Grand National. It's barely months, since Garden Centres were blaming MD for a slump in their spring trade. Why? Because, during a cold spring he rightly advised viewers not to rush to sow or plant tender stuff outside before April. Janet. He didn't say 'tender stuff'. The DT report was that he said "You don't have to sow anything at all until April". "ANYTHING AT ALL". That advice allegedly cost the trade thousands of pounds and whatever your personal opinion may be, it caused a terrific row at the time. Trees and shrubs could have been planted, seeds and roses could have been planted. We were telling people not to plant tender stuff! Any nursery or gc worth its salt should do that until the danger of frost has passed, though I've seen gcs pushing bedding plants in February and would be adamantly opposed to such a practice. His remarks allegedly did a great deal of harm. It's important that someone being viewed as an expert by tv viewers gives solid facts. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/gardening...g-flowers.html In the past, he has told GW that people can't grow Hedychiums outdoors in UK, which is simply not the case. It's a great shame you don't follow Twitter and see what some of the professionals on 'shouty half hour' have to say at times! Whatever anyone's opinion of him as a presenter, he could and should at least learn about the trade that keeps him in a job and it is ridiculous - even disgraceful - that he hasn't been to a garden centre in 10 years. How can he possibly be up to date with what is going on in the trade that earns him a living? Imo, it is a shame he has refused to meet Mr Burks and discuss the matter and insisting on an apology (for what?) gives the appearance of arrogance. One of the chief criticisms of the programme is that it is slanted in one direction only and that is his own personal creed. It is not showing enough of the very broad range of plants and activities open to the average gardener. The people who actually grow plants for a living say that he gave bad information. I agree with the comments of some but not of others. I do not agree GW should have links with plants available in garden centres so that 'hard to sell' plants get a puff. That's using GW as a free advertising channel and would be wrong, imo. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 29/09/2013 14:40, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-09-29 13:41:01 +0100, Jake said: On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:16:20 +0100, Sacha wrote: I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. According to BARB, the 13/9 programme drew 2.03m. I think PS means that they fluctuate week by week and have been as low as 1.5m. IIRC, the fluctuation is between 2.5 and 1.5m. Whilst it's a fact that viewing figures have reduced since the death of Geoff Hamilton, I doubt that presenter/format changes alone have caused the reduction from the 4.5m figure. TV delivery has changed substantially in the intervening period and viewing habits have changed substantially as a result. The group has discussed the whys and why nots of watching GW many times. Whilst I fall into the nots group, I worry that PS's repeated criticisms will lead not to improvement but to its demise; after all programmes with figures higher than GW have been cancelled before now. I think what he's hoping to get is what he considers to be better presentation. Just recently in the trade press, there was a new brouhaha about MD not having visited a garden centre in 11 years, which is hardly helpful to the industry which, at least partially, causes him to be employed. I can only assume that if he plants some new in his own garden, one of his assistants is sent off to buy it. It does seem a very peculiar - even arrogant - stance for a gardening authority figure. http://www.hortweek.com/Retail/artic...pt-falls-flat/ -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk Good for him. I do seem to recall some nursery visits by others on the programme, I don't remember anyone moaning about none of the presenters of cooking programmes not visiting Tesco or other supermarkets. With so many plants of all sizes being bought on line there could be a complaint that he isn't seen browsing websites for plants. He does do some spots of raising from seed, division or cuttings. I notice there is no moaning about the Gardening coverage on commercial channels. Remember when GW had millions of viewers each week we had 3 channels not the multiplicity that we now have, if you have satellite then well over 50 to choose from. David @ a brighter but not sunny Swansea bay |
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:27:27 +0100, David Hill wrote:
I don't remember anyone moaning about none of the presenters of cooking programmes not visiting Tesco or other supermarkets. Isn't Mr Oliver involved with advertising for Sainsbury's? And some of the others with other food chains/suppliers? I notice there is no moaning about the Gardening coverage on commercial channels. Is there any? Remember when GW had millions of viewers each week we had 3 channels not the multiplicity that we now have, if you have satellite then well over 50 to choose from. And nothing worth watching on any of them, most of the time. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 29/09/2013 18:20, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 17:27:27 +0100, David Hill wrote: I don't remember anyone moaning about none of the presenters of cooking programmes not visiting Tesco or other supermarkets. Isn't Mr Oliver involved with advertising for Sainsbury's? And some of the others with other food chains/suppliers? I notice there is no moaning about the Gardening coverage on commercial channels. Is there any? Remember when GW had millions of viewers each week we had 3 channels not the multiplicity that we now have, if you have satellite then well over 50 to choose from. And nothing worth watching on any of them, most of the time. Yes Mr Oliver is involved in Sainsburys adverts and Mr Titchmarch lends his name to B&Q gardening, not to mention a certain female TV personality with her own on-line gardening enterprise |
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On 29/09/2013 21:40, Jake wrote:
Percy Thrower was sacked for less! He didn't promote anything during a GW programme. Actually NO The BBC summarily dropped Thrower when in 1975 he agreed to a contract with Plant Protection, a subsidiary of ICI, for a series of commercials. He did this in the full knowledge of what the repercussions would be with the BBC, and later said it was the best contract he ever signed. |
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On 29/09/2013 22:21, Jake wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 22:02:51 +0100, David Hill wrote: On 29/09/2013 21:40, Jake wrote: Percy Thrower was sacked for less! He didn't promote anything during a GW programme. Actually NO The BBC summarily dropped Thrower when in 1975 he agreed to a contract with Plant Protection, a subsidiary of ICI, for a series of commercials. He did this in the full knowledge of what the repercussions would be with the BBC, and later said it was the best contract he ever signed. Actually YES.Percy didn't promote anything during a GW programme. As you said, he was sacked for adverts (which the Beeb did not/does not carry). OTOH, MD promotes the dictats of the Soil Association. Remember that GW is a factual programme. Please refer to my original post and ask yourself whether MD's statement was factual. Plus FWIW, there is a "knock-down" lily beetle spray on the market which is organic. It's called "Plant Invigorator". You don't need Provado Ultimate Bug Killer (which, incidentally, is NOT covered by the EU "prohibition"). MD ignored two alternatives to squishing. Hence HE LIED! Simple. He also lost a valuable opportunity to educate people about the need to use pesticides correctly. But then people in blinkers often do! Are the viewing figures accurate? Maybe monitoring 5000 homes isn't a big enough sample |
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On 2013-09-29 17:27:27 +0100, David Hill said:
On 29/09/2013 14:40, Sacha wrote: On 2013-09-29 13:41:01 +0100, Jake said: On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:16:20 +0100, Sacha wrote: I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. According to BARB, the 13/9 programme drew 2.03m. I think PS means that they fluctuate week by week and have been as low as 1.5m. IIRC, the fluctuation is between 2.5 and 1.5m. Whilst it's a fact that viewing figures have reduced since the death of Geoff Hamilton, I doubt that presenter/format changes alone have caused the reduction from the 4.5m figure. TV delivery has changed substantially in the intervening period and viewing habits have changed substantially as a result. The group has discussed the whys and why nots of watching GW many times. Whilst I fall into the nots group, I worry that PS's repeated criticisms will lead not to improvement but to its demise; after all programmes with figures higher than GW have been cancelled before now. I think what he's hoping to get is what he considers to be better presentation. Just recently in the trade press, there was a new brouhaha about MD not having visited a garden centre in 11 years, which is hardly helpful to the industry which, at least partially, causes him to be employed. I can only assume that if he plants some new in his own garden, one of his assistants is sent off to buy it. It does seem a very peculiar - even arrogant - stance for a gardening authority figure. http://www.hortweek.com/Retail/artic...pt-falls-flat/ -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk Good for him. I do seem to recall some nursery visits by others on the programme, I don't remember anyone moaning about none of the presenters of cooking programmes not visiting Tesco or other supermarkets. With so many plants of all sizes being bought on line there could be a complaint that he isn't seen browsing websites for plants. He does do some spots of raising from seed, division or cuttings. I notice there is no moaning about the Gardening coverage on commercial channels. Remember when GW had millions of viewers each week we had 3 channels not the multiplicity that we now have, if you have satellite then well over 50 to choose from. David @ a brighter but not sunny Swansea bay Surely there were more than three channels in the AT presenting days? But I think there's a misunderstanding here. As far as I know, nobody is saying that there should be *televised* visits to garden centres or nurseries but that he, personally, in his private life doesn't go to them. I'm certainly not supporting any idea that GW should be doing some kind of "under the counter" advertising for any establishment, though some of the makeover programmes show people buying plants in garden centres. I don't remember any names being shown though. And tv cooks will surely have visited supermarkets or other food suppliers in their private time, or how can they know who's presenting/selling the best ingredients. The same applies (imo) to a tv garden presenter who apparently doesn't know what gcs or nurseries are currently doing. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:11:35 +0100, Sacha
wrote: On 2013-09-29 17:27:27 +0100, David Hill said: On 29/09/2013 14:40, Sacha wrote: On 2013-09-29 13:41:01 +0100, Jake said: On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:16:20 +0100, Sacha wrote: I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. According to BARB, the 13/9 programme drew 2.03m. I think PS means that they fluctuate week by week and have been as low as 1.5m. IIRC, the fluctuation is between 2.5 and 1.5m. Whilst it's a fact that viewing figures have reduced since the death of Geoff Hamilton, I doubt that presenter/format changes alone have caused the reduction from the 4.5m figure. TV delivery has changed substantially in the intervening period and viewing habits have changed substantially as a result. The group has discussed the whys and why nots of watching GW many times. Whilst I fall into the nots group, I worry that PS's repeated criticisms will lead not to improvement but to its demise; after all programmes with figures higher than GW have been cancelled before now. I think what he's hoping to get is what he considers to be better presentation. Just recently in the trade press, there was a new brouhaha about MD not having visited a garden centre in 11 years, which is hardly helpful to the industry which, at least partially, causes him to be employed. I can only assume that if he plants some new in his own garden, one of his assistants is sent off to buy it. It does seem a very peculiar - even arrogant - stance for a gardening authority figure. http://www.hortweek.com/Retail/artic...pt-falls-flat/ -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk Good for him. I do seem to recall some nursery visits by others on the programme, I don't remember anyone moaning about none of the presenters of cooking programmes not visiting Tesco or other supermarkets. With so many plants of all sizes being bought on line there could be a complaint that he isn't seen browsing websites for plants. He does do some spots of raising from seed, division or cuttings. I notice there is no moaning about the Gardening coverage on commercial channels. Remember when GW had millions of viewers each week we had 3 channels not the multiplicity that we now have, if you have satellite then well over 50 to choose from. David @ a brighter but not sunny Swansea bay Surely there were more than three channels in the AT presenting days? But I think there's a misunderstanding here. As far as I know, nobody is saying that there should be *televised* visits to garden centres or nurseries but that he, personally, in his private life doesn't go to them. I'm certainly not supporting any idea that GW should be doing some kind of "under the counter" advertising for any establishment, though some of the makeover programmes show people buying plants in garden centres. I don't remember any names being shown though. And tv cooks will surely have visited supermarkets or other food suppliers in their private time, or how can they know who's presenting/selling the best ingredients. The same applies (imo) to a tv garden presenter who apparently doesn't know what gcs or nurseries are currently doing. I've not followed all this thread, but if I were a TV gardening *celebrity* and went to a garden centre I'd be pounced on by customers with gardening queries and I'd never get out. You can't blame him! Pam in Bristol |
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On 2013-09-30 13:42:06 +0100, Pam Moore said:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2013 10:11:35 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 2013-09-29 17:27:27 +0100, David Hill said: On 29/09/2013 14:40, Sacha wrote: On 2013-09-29 13:41:01 +0100, Jake said: On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:16:20 +0100, Sacha wrote: I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. According to BARB, the 13/9 programme drew 2.03m. I think PS means that they fluctuate week by week and have been as low as 1.5m. IIRC, the fluctuation is between 2.5 and 1.5m. Whilst it's a fact that viewing figures have reduced since the death of Geoff Hamilton, I doubt that presenter/format changes alone have caused the reduction from the 4.5m figure. TV delivery has changed substantially in the intervening period and viewing habits have changed substantially as a result. The group has discussed the whys and why nots of watching GW many times. Whilst I fall into the nots group, I worry that PS's repeated criticisms will lead not to improvement but to its demise; after all programmes with figures higher than GW have been cancelled before now. I think what he's hoping to get is what he considers to be better presentation. Just recently in the trade press, there was a new brouhaha about MD not having visited a garden centre in 11 years, which is hardly helpful to the industry which, at least partially, causes him to be employed. I can only assume that if he plants some new in his own garden, one of his assistants is sent off to buy it. It does seem a very peculiar - even arrogant - stance for a gardening authority figure. http://www.hortweek.com/Retail/artic...pt-falls-flat/ -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk Good for him. I do seem to recall some nursery visits by others on the programme, I don't remember anyone moaning about none of the presenters of cooking programmes not visiting Tesco or other supermarkets. With so many plants of all sizes being bought on line there could be a complaint that he isn't seen browsing websites for plants. He does do some spots of raising from seed, division or cuttings. I notice there is no moaning about the Gardening coverage on commercial channels. Remember when GW had millions of viewers each week we had 3 channels not the multiplicity that we now have, if you have satellite then well over 50 to choose from. David @ a brighter but not sunny Swansea bay Surely there were more than three channels in the AT presenting days? But I think there's a misunderstanding here. As far as I know, nobody is saying that there should be *televised* visits to garden centres or nurseries but that he, personally, in his private life doesn't go to them. I'm certainly not supporting any idea that GW should be doing some kind of "under the counter" advertising for any establishment, though some of the makeover programmes show people buying plants in garden centres. I don't remember any names being shown though. And tv cooks will surely have visited supermarkets or other food suppliers in their private time, or how can they know who's presenting/selling the best ingredients. The same applies (imo) to a tv garden presenter who apparently doesn't know what gcs or nurseries are currently doing. I've not followed all this thread, but if I were a TV gardening *celebrity* and went to a garden centre I'd be pounced on by customers with gardening queries and I'd never get out. You can't blame him! Pam in Bristol Well, my answers to that were our customers were thrilled to see both Christine Walkden and Roy Lancaster here but they weren't pestered in any way! And while I think your point is a good one, I daresay he could arrange a private visit, if he wanted to. Don't forget that he also told people not to go to garden centres or nurseries that use peat because he hates the use of peat and described using it/selling peat-based compost as 'greed'. That was lead balloon time with a lot of those in the industry. He's President of the Soil Association which explains his views on some matters but at the same time, using his position to damage the trade of others with remarks like that is very bad, imo and he was called on it by some in the industry that time, as well. It is a bit of a crusade that he and e.g. Alys Fowler are on and of course they're entitled to their views but I think many in horticultural industries do wonder at his attitude to their work and livelihood. http://www.amateurgardening.com/home...-selling-peat/ As I've said before, we dislike the format of GW now but have greatly enjoyed his 'gardens around the world' programmes. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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says... He's President of the Soil Association which explains his views on some matters but at the same time, using his position to damage the trade of others Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Posting smear accusations online from your husband's business address hardly reflects well on it. Janet |
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On 2013-09-30 14:52:56 +0100, Janet said:
In article , says... He's President of the Soil Association which explains his views on some matters but at the same time, using his position to damage the trade of others Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Posting smear accusations online from your husband's business address hardly reflects well on it. Janet I'm perfectly certain you, of all people, know the difference between fact and malice. These are not 'smear accusations' and neither Ray nor I is a public figure, nor a tv presenter, promoting personal convictions. These are things that actually happened and that were said in public forums. We are, therefore, able to discuss them and their repercussions, in a public forum. They're not manufactured gossip. They're fact and have already been widely discussed in print, online and for all I know in pubs up and down the country. But you certainly seem hellbent on suppressing this thread. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 30/09/2013 09:56, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:36:28 +0100, Spider wrote: On 29/09/2013 12:39, Martin wrote: On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:16:20 +0100, Sacha wrote: I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. If they counted the viewers who sleep through GW the figure would be far less than 1.5 million. I suspect you mean *discounted*, but I know what you mean ;~). Correct. :) I quite enjoy watching it, but don't often feel I've learned much, except perhaps in veg growing. The real question is why do we sleep deeper during GW than we do in bed. I would ask what it is you do in bed that keeps you awake ... but I'm not sure I want to hear the answer ;~). -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk So many good gardenig programmes made viewers produce so much produce that now the numbers of viewers have gone over to looking at programmes telling them how to cook what they've grown !!...:-) Bill |
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In article ,
says... On 2013-09-30 14:52:56 +0100, Janet said: In article , says... He's President of the Soil Association which explains his views on some matters but at the same time, using his position to damage the trade of others Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Posting smear accusations online from your husband's business address hardly reflects well on it. Janet I'm perfectly certain you, of all people, know the difference between fact and malice. These are not 'smear accusations' and neither Ray nor I is a public figure, nor a tv presenter, promoting personal convictions. These are things that actually happened and that were said in public forums. No, they are not; you have twisted what he said and put words in his mouth. According to you "As far as I know, nobody is saying that there should be *televised* visits to garden centres or nurseries but that he, personally, in his private life doesn't go to them. That is incorrect, He said he doesn't go to GC's. He did not say, he doesn't go to or buy from nurseries. "Don't forget that he also told people not to go to garden centres or nurseries that use peat ( That's not what he said) "because he hates the use of peat and described using it/selling peat-based compost as 'greed'." That is also incorrect and misrepresents what he said; which is quoted here http://www.hortweek.com/go/peat_deba...35/monty-dons- twitter-comments-irk-garden-centres-again/ and here http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...mar/17/gardens He urges home gardeners to PURCHASE non-peat brands of compost (from garden centres etc) and if they see none available, to make a fuss to persuade the business to stock it. These are things that actually happened and that were said in public forums. We are, therefore, able to discuss them and their repercussions, in a public forum. They're not manufactured gossip. You are making up stuff he didn't say, which is NOT the same as discussing what he did say. But you certainly seem hellbent on suppressing this thread. !!! More hysterical prevarication. Janet. |
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On 29/09/2013 12:16, Sacha wrote:
I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. Come on people. Ease up on the get rid of Monty Don campaign. This is at least the 3rd time that we have had the same sort of thread. If you don't like the man then don't watch GW. Why not use Points of view and other consumer programmes |
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Well said David Petty and childish Mike "David Hill" wrote in message ... On 29/09/2013 12:16, Sacha wrote: I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. Come on people. Ease up on the get rid of Monty Don campaign. This is at least the 3rd time that we have had the same sort of thread. If you don't like the man then don't watch GW. Why not use Points of view and other consumer programmes |
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On 2013-09-30 19:04:28 +0000, David Hill said:
On 29/09/2013 12:16, Sacha wrote: I've just read a comment by Peter Seabrook that GW figures are now 1.5 million but used to be 4.5 million when A Titchmarsh did it. Come on people. Ease up on the get rid of Monty Don campaign. This is at least the 3rd time that we have had the same sort of thread. If you don't like the man then don't watch GW. Why not use Points of view and other consumer programmes It started as a comment on GW viewing figures. Whether or not 'getting rid' of MD would make a difference is debatable. It could actually be a change in the type of direction involved, not the person fronting it. But something has led to a considerable fall in figures and surely it's valid to talk about that on a gardening group? We could 'big ourselves up' and say groups like this are influential! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 2013-09-30 18:11:55 +0000, Janet said:
In article , says... On 2013-09-30 14:52:56 +0100, Janet said: In article , says... He's President of the Soil Association which explains his views on some matters but at the same time, using his position to damage the trade of others Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Posting smear accusations online from your husband's business address hardly reflects well on it. Janet I'm perfectly certain you, of all people, know the difference between fact and malice. These are not 'smear accusations' and neither Ray nor I is a public figure, nor a tv presenter, promoting personal convictions. These are things that actually happened and that were said in public forums. No, they are not; you have twisted what he said and put words in his mouth. According to you "As far as I know, nobody is saying that there should be *televised* visits to garden centres or nurseries but that he, personally, in his private life doesn't go to them. That is incorrect, He said he doesn't go to GC's. He did not say, he doesn't go to or buy from nurseries. If he visits Nurseries, why would he not have said so on the many occasions he's been criticised for those comments? Not one nurseryman has come forward to say "Monty visited my Nursery", so far as I'm aware. Have you read of that? If he patronises Nurseries as opposed to gcs, why not say so and why. "Don't forget that he also told people not to go to garden centres or nurseries that use peat ( That's not what he said) "because he hates the use of peat and described using it/selling peat-based compost as 'greed'." That is also incorrect and misrepresents what he said; which is quoted here http://www.hortweek.com/go/peat_deba...35/monty-dons- twitter-comments-irk-garden-centres-again/ and here http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...mar/17/gardens He urges home gardeners to PURCHASE non-peat brands of compost (from garden centres etc) and if they see none available, to make a fuss to persuade the business to stock it. Yes, you're right. So - the implication is that those who sell peat are 'greedy', so that will certainly encourage people to patronise them, you think? These are things that actually happened and that were said in public forums. We are, therefore, able to discuss them and their repercussions, in a public forum. They're not manufactured gossip. You are making up stuff he didn't say, which is NOT the same as discussing what he did say. So you would consider it reasonable to assume that he's telling gardeners that they should patronise gcs that sell peat based products? The industry seems not to see it that way, however But you certainly seem hellbent on suppressing this thread. !!! More hysterical prevarication. Janet. I'm not the one trying to stop the debate, Janet. Check your own agenda. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 2013-09-30 21:15:20 +0100, Janet said:
snip You then INVENTED, twice, that I am trying to suppress this thread and stop the debate. You're the fantasist with a dirty little agenda of your own. Janet I wonder why you have to be so vituperative. Your above comments would certainly not explain how it is that so many people in the trade were angered and upset over things MD has said and recommendations made. This has been pointed out to you and not only by me. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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