Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

Deadline for consultation on this important Seed Law is 4th December !

All ABOUT THE New EU Seed Law

Updated November 2013
[] WHAT IS THIS NEW LAW?
The European Commision is currently drawing up a new law to regulate the
sale of all seeds, plants and plant material. The latest draft of the law
is even more restrictive than the regulations that we have at the moment.
Every single variety of vegetable will have to be registered on an EU list,
otherwise it will be illegal to sell it. To be registered on the list,
seed varieties have to pass a series of tests demonstrating what is called
DUS 'Distinctiveness, Uniformity and Stability'. It costs nearly £3000 to
test & register just one single variety of seed for sale.
Although we have had a system like this for many years, there have been much
simpler and cheaper options for what are considered 'amateur varieties' for
home gardeners, and the rules have never been strictly enforced in the UK.
The EU wants to get rid of these simpler and cheaper rules for 'amateur'
seed, and make sure that every country enforces the rules 100%.
Although they say there will be exceptions, in current drafts of the law
these are very, very limited.

WHY ARE THESE NEW LAWS A BAD THING?
The effect of this new legislation will be to massively limit the choice of
vegetable varieties available to home gardeners.
This is because if you are selling seed to farmers, you can expect to sell
hundreds of tonnes of seed every year, so it is worth the cost of
registering the variety. But if you are selling to gardeners, even the
biggest seed companies will be selling a few kilos of seed at most,
sometimes just a few hundred grammes of more unusual varieties. It just
doesn't work if they have to pay thousands of pounds to register that
variety! So only seed designed for farmers will get registered and be
legally sellable.
Unfortunately, varieties suitable for farmers often aren't appropriate for
home gardeners and allotment growers. For example: farmers usually want all
of their produce to come ready at the same time, so that they can harvest
and sell a whole fields worth. Home gardeners usually want their crops to
mature over a longer period - we don't want to eat all our vegetables on one
day!
Another example: farmers generally don't want to grow climbing peas, as
they need supports and can't be harvested mechanically. Lots of home
gardeners prefer tall pea varieties, as they are more productive in a small
space. There are hundreds of examples like this - the needs of gardeners
and farmers are very different.
The problem is very simple: If these new laws are passed, there will be
fewer and fewer varieties developed for gardeners and small growers.
Everybody will have to grow varieties that have been designed for commercial
large-scale farming, whether they like it or not.


BUT AREN'T THERE EXCEPTIONS & ALLOWANCES FOR HOME GARDENERS?
We've discussed this at length with DEFRA. They have confirmed that the
European Commission is trying its best to make sure thatall seed is covered
by their legislation. There are a few exceptions to the new laws, but
these are very, very limited.
And the exceptions will only apply to non-commercial operations selling
locally - for example individuals people selling a few packets of a local
variety on a market stall. So seed companies - who are the only people
with the experience and skills to develop what home growers need - will be
very restricted in what they can offer to gardeners.
Remember, even the big seed companies often only sell a few hundred packets
of their more unusual and specialist varieties - and these simply are not
economical to test and register, especially if there is an annual fee of
several hundred pounds to keep them on the register!
I THINK THIS IS A BAD THING - WHAT CAN I DO?
Earlier in 2013, as the first draft of the law was being made, hundreds of
thousands of people emailed and wrote to their MEPs and the EU, pushing for
changes to this new law. The initial draft of the law was so badly drafted
that it even outlawed seed swaps between individuals with no money taking
place! The EU did concede some last minute changes which looked workable.
BUT, they are now watering down nearly all of these concessions, or making
them so restrictive as to be useless, as the law progresses through the
system.
The fact that they made changes to start with shows that pressure can work!
We must fight for major improvements to the law as it goes through the EU,
and then is translated into UK laws.
So, if you think that this law is a bad idea, there are two things that you
can do, right now!


1) WRITE TO THE 3 KEY MEPs ON THE EU COMMITTEE


They a Sergio Silvestris, George Lyon, and Julie Girling
PLEASE DO WRITE! It has a huge effect if you write, and don't be shy about
it,
they don't expect a masterpiece and are quite used to getting random
informal letters from normal people.
You can find their contact details and a suggested draft letter here
The deadline for amendments is December the 4th, 2013, so if you can, write
soon!
Tell them that:
You are worried by the new EU Seed Law
You think gardeners should be able to choose any vegetables they wish to
grow in their own gardens, rather than just from a list of 'EU-approved'
varieties.
You want to be able to buy seed suitable for gardeners, not seed for big
scale agriculture, which is not the same.
The new EU Seed Law should ONLY cover seed sold to farmers.
The new EU Seed Law should NOT cover seed sold in small packets for home
gardeners and allotment growers.
Ask them:
to change the draft law so that Home Garden seed and plants are not covered
by it.

2) respond to the uk government consultation


It just happens that the UK government have started a consultation asking
people what things should be covered by EU laws, and what should be decided
at national level, as there is concern that EU legislation may be
interfering too much with some parts of our way of life.

The consultation about agriculture is happening now. We are asking as many
people as possible to respond, and say that garden plants and garden seeds
should NOT be covered by EU regulation, but instead controlled by UK laws.
You can find details of how to fill in the consultation here.
Please do this! DEFRA - who regulate seeds in the UK - understand the
problem completely,
and have very sensible views on how the home garden seed industry should be
regulated.
If the law is brought back in to UK control, they will be given the task of
drawing up sensible new UK laws & the problem will be sorted.


3) CHECK OUT OUR FACEBOOK PAGE


We will post occasional updates on our Facebook Page as we get more
information.

EVEN MORE INFORMATION - and a warning

The law itself is linked below if you want to wade through it. But before
you start, a very important warning:
You cannot just read the first 5 pages or so that are an 'executive
summary', and think you know what this law is about. The executive summary
is NOT what will become the law. It is the actual Articles themselves that
become law, the Summary has no legal standing and is just tacked on as an
aid to the public and legislators, it is supposed to give background
information and set the proposed legislation in context so people know what
is going on and why.
The problem with this law has always been that the Summary says lots of nice
fluffy things about preserving biodiversity, simplifying legislation, making
things easier etc etc - things we all would love - but the Articles of the
law don't really have the promised effects. And the Summary is not what
becomes the law.
So, be warned. By all means, read it yourself. But you have to pretty much
ignore the Summary as that is not the Law, and does not reflect what is in
the Law. The actual meat of it starts around about Page 25. Some of the more
important articles are 2, 3, 14, and 36 but you do need to read all the rest
as well to see how they fit together.
Official version of the Law as of May 6th 2013 is Here
Draft report from 28th October 2013 with proposed changes, removing and
limiting the concessions is here
NOTES TO EDITORS
"Proposal for a Plant Reproductive Material Law" was released on May 6th
2013
Law drafted by DG SANCO (consumer affairs), apparently some debate by DG
AGRI & ENVI (agriculture & environment)
Executive Summary of Law does not truly reflect stricter reality of the
actual articles in the law
Law as currently proposed will effectively kill off professional development
of home-garden seeds in the EU
Huge public opposition: over 270,000 signatures to the Arche Noah petition
Media contact: Ben Gabel, The Real Seed Catalogue:
ABOUT THE REAL SEED CATALOGUE:
The Real Seed Catalogue ( www.realseeds.co.uk ) is a well-known
DEFRA-registered seed supplier, based in Wales, that specialises in breeding
and supplying vegetable seed specially suited to the needs of home
gardeners. As a not-for-profit company dedicated to the needs of home
gardeners, it is also one of the UK's premier seed-saving organisations,
educating the public about seed saving and how to preserve their own
heritage varieties of vegetables at home.

The Real Seed Catalogue is produced by The Real Seed Collection Ltd , a
not-for-profit company limited by guarantee.
~ Company No 5924934 ~ VAT No 841181938 ~ DEFRA










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On 16/11/2013 15:10, Ophelia wrote:


All ABOUT THE New EU Seed Law


Reading your post, it seems the new law is a very bad thing for
gardeners. Presumably the law is intended to be a benefit for somebody
but who supposed to benefit from this draconian legislation?

--
David in Normandy.

There are very interesting parallels between these proposals
and the EASA regulation of European Airways regulations.
I have been keeping a watchful eye /on the sidelines/ on
the progress of some aspects of the EASA regulations;
people may or may not find the parallels illuminating.

The EASA regulations were drafted by people that understood
Commercial Air Transport (CAT i.e. airliners et al), but who
have very little understanding of General Aviation (GA i.e.
light aircraft, hot air balloons, gliders et al). The
resulting heavyweight cumbersome regulations were fine
for CAT, but disastrous for GA.

It took a /lot/ of hard work by /many/ people knowledgable
about GA over maybe 5 /years/ to mitigate /some/ of the worst
effects of the regulations. Standing on the sidelines and
moaning is useless. What succeeded was working within the
system plus individuals making /formal/ comments when
invited to do so. In this context "formal" means in the
comment forms on the EU website. Be prepared to read the
regulations and individually make comments; multiple
identically worded comments are treated as a single
comment.

Nonetheless, the regulations are now enacted, and will be
fully implemented in 2015. In the meantime various
organisations are having to decide how they will interpret
the regulations.

In the past couple of weeks the government and CAA have
announced they are trying to get rid of red tape; the
latest statements about how the regs will be interpreted
are specific and positive and useful. Having a private
pilot (Grant Schapps) in the centre of government has
apparently been useful.

Summary:
- the new regs will happen
- there is a chance to shape them, but it requires
long dedicated hard work by individuals
- the new government attitude might help, particularly
if you can get DEFRA onside


On 16/11/13 14:10, Ophelia wrote:
Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

Deadline for consultation on this important Seed Law is 4th December !

All ABOUT THE New EU Seed Law

Updated November 2013
[] WHAT IS THIS NEW LAW?
The European Commision is currently drawing up a new law to regulate the sale of all seeds, plants and plant material. The latest draft of the law is even more restrictive than the regulations that
we have at the moment.
Every single variety of vegetable will have to be registered on an EU list, otherwise it will be illegal to sell it. To be registered on the list, seed varieties have to pass a series of tests
demonstrating what is called DUS 'Distinctiveness, Uniformity and Stability'. It costs nearly £3000 to test & register just one single variety of seed for sale.
Although we have had a system like this for many years, there have been much simpler and cheaper options for what are considered 'amateur varieties' for home gardeners, and the rules have never been
strictly enforced in the UK.
The EU wants to get rid of these simpler and cheaper rules for 'amateur' seed, and make sure that every country enforces the rules 100%.
Although they say there will be exceptions, in current drafts of the law these are very, very limited.

WHY ARE THESE NEW LAWS A BAD THING?
The effect of this new legislation will be to massively limit the choice of vegetable varieties available to home gardeners.
This is because if you are selling seed to farmers, you can expect to sell hundreds of tonnes of seed every year, so it is worth the cost of registering the variety. But if you are selling to
gardeners, even the biggest seed companies will be selling a few kilos of seed at most, sometimes just a few hundred grammes of more unusual varieties. It just doesn't work if they have to pay
thousands of pounds to register that variety! So only seed designed for farmers will get registered and be legally sellable.
Unfortunately, varieties suitable for farmers often aren't appropriate for home gardeners and allotment growers. For example: farmers usually want all of their produce to come ready at the same time,
so that they can harvest and sell a whole fields worth. Home gardeners usually want their crops to mature over a longer period - we don't want to eat all our vegetables on one day!
Another example: farmers generally don't want to grow climbing peas, as they need supports and can't be harvested mechanically. Lots of home gardeners prefer tall pea varieties, as they are more
productive in a small space. There are hundreds of examples like this - the needs of gardeners and farmers are very different.
The problem is very simple: If these new laws are passed, there will be fewer and fewer varieties developed for gardeners and small growers. Everybody will have to grow varieties that have been
designed for commercial large-scale farming, whether they like it or not.


BUT AREN'T THERE EXCEPTIONS & ALLOWANCES FOR HOME GARDENERS?
We've discussed this at length with DEFRA. They have confirmed that the European Commission is trying its best to make sure thatall seed is covered by their legislation. There are a few exceptions
to the new laws, but these are very, very limited.
And the exceptions will only apply to non-commercial operations selling locally - for example individuals people selling a few packets of a local variety on a market stall. So seed companies - who
are the only people with the experience and skills to develop what home growers need - will be very restricted in what they can offer to gardeners.
Remember, even the big seed companies often only sell a few hundred packets of their more unusual and specialist varieties - and these simply are not economical to test and register, especially if
there is an annual fee of several hundred pounds to keep them on the register!
I THINK THIS IS A BAD THING - WHAT CAN I DO?
Earlier in 2013, as the first draft of the law was being made, hundreds of thousands of people emailed and wrote to their MEPs and the EU, pushing for changes to this new law. The initial draft of the
law was so badly drafted that it even outlawed seed swaps between individuals with no money taking place! The EU did concede some last minute changes which looked workable. BUT, they are now watering
down nearly all of these concessions, or making them so restrictive as to be useless, as the law progresses through the system.
The fact that they made changes to start with shows that pressure can work! We must fight for major improvements to the law as it goes through the EU, and then is translated into UK laws.
So, if you think that this law is a bad idea, there are two things that you can do, right now!


1) WRITE TO THE 3 KEY MEPs ON THE EU COMMITTEE


They a Sergio Silvestris, George Lyon, and Julie Girling
PLEASE DO WRITE! It has a huge effect if you write, and don't be shy about it,
they don't expect a masterpiece and are quite used to getting random informal letters from normal people.
You can find their contact details and a suggested draft letter here
The deadline for amendments is December the 4th, 2013, so if you can, write soon!
Tell them that:
You are worried by the new EU Seed Law
You think gardeners should be able to choose any vegetables they wish to grow in their own gardens, rather than just from a list of 'EU-approved' varieties.
You want to be able to buy seed suitable for gardeners, not seed for big scale agriculture, which is not the same.
The new EU Seed Law should ONLY cover seed sold to farmers.
The new EU Seed Law should NOT cover seed sold in small packets for home gardeners and allotment growers.
Ask them:
to change the draft law so that Home Garden seed and plants are not covered by it.

2) respond to the uk government consultation


It just happens that the UK government have started a consultation asking people what things should be covered by EU laws, and what should be decided at national level, as there is concern that EU
legislation may be interfering too much with some parts of our way of life.

The consultation about agriculture is happening now. We are asking as many people as possible to respond, and say that garden plants and garden seeds should NOT be covered by EU regulation, but
instead controlled by UK laws. You can find details of how to fill in the consultation here.
Please do this! DEFRA - who regulate seeds in the UK - understand the problem completely,
and have very sensible views on how the home garden seed industry should be regulated.
If the law is brought back in to UK control, they will be given the task of drawing up sensible new UK laws & the problem will be sorted.


3) CHECK OUT OUR FACEBOOK PAGE


We will post occasional updates on our Facebook Page as we get more information.

EVEN MORE INFORMATION - and a warning

The law itself is linked below if you want to wade through it. But before you start, a very important warning:
You cannot just read the first 5 pages or so that are an 'executive summary', and think you know what this law is about. The executive summary is NOT what will become the law. It is the actual
Articles themselves that become law, the Summary has no legal standing and is just tacked on as an aid to the public and legislators, it is supposed to give background information and set the proposed
legislation in context so people know what is going on and why.
The problem with this law has always been that the Summary says lots of nice fluffy things about preserving biodiversity, simplifying legislation, making things easier etc etc - things we all would
love - but the Articles of the law don't really have the promised effects. And the Summary is not what becomes the law.
So, be warned. By all means, read it yourself. But you have to pretty much ignore the Summary as that is not the Law, and does not reflect what is in the Law. The actual meat of it starts around about
Page 25. Some of the more important articles are 2, 3, 14, and 36 but you do need to read all the rest as well to see how they fit together.
Official version of the Law as of May 6th 2013 is Here
Draft report from 28th October 2013 with proposed changes, removing and limiting the concessions is here
NOTES TO EDITORS
"Proposal for a Plant Reproductive Material Law" was released on May 6th 2013
Law drafted by DG SANCO (consumer affairs), apparently some debate by DG AGRI & ENVI (agriculture & environment)
Executive Summary of Law does not truly reflect stricter reality of the actual articles in the law
Law as currently proposed will effectively kill off professional development of home-garden seeds in the EU
Huge public opposition: over 270,000 signatures to the Arche Noah petition
Media contact: Ben Gabel, The Real Seed Catalogue:
ABOUT THE REAL SEED CATALOGUE:
The Real Seed Catalogue ( www.realseeds.co.uk ) is a well-known DEFRA-registered seed supplier, based in Wales, that specialises in breeding and supplying vegetable seed specially suited to the needs
of home gardeners. As a not-for-profit company dedicated to the needs of home gardeners, it is also one of the UK's premier seed-saving organisations, educating the public about seed saving and how to
preserve their own heritage varieties of vegetables at home.

The Real Seed Catalogue is produced by The Real Seed Collection Ltd , a not-for-profit company limited by guarantee.
~ Company No 5924934 ~ VAT No 841181938 ~ DEFRA

"David in Normandy" wrote

Ophelia wrote:


All ABOUT THE New EU Seed Law


Reading your post, it seems the new law is a very bad thing for gardeners.
Presumably the law is intended to be a benefit for somebody but who
supposed to benefit from this draconian legislation?



"Although they say there will be exceptions, in current drafts of the law
these are very, very limited."
BUT the French will find a way round it or maybe just ignore it altogether
like they do keeping cheese in a fridge in a restaurant.

--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
I've not plodded through it, but AIUI what you've posted is someone's
view or interpretation of the proposed regulations. When it was
discussed here before, it was pointed out (by Janet, I think), that
there were exemptions for small, specialist seed-merchants and those
who deal with heritage varieties. The actual paragraphs in the
proposed regulations that were quoted here at the time seemed to bear
that out.

I didn't say I had any view. If you read what I said you will have seen I
said I had taken it from a political group.


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I did ask before I posted! I actually tried to send it to Sacha to evaluate
first but it bounced.

I repeat, I did ask and was asked to post it which I did.

However, it seems no good deed goes unpunished to it's back to lurking for
me.




"Ophelia" wrote in message
...


"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
I've not plodded through it, but AIUI what you've posted is someone's
view or interpretation of the proposed regulations. When it was
discussed here before, it was pointed out (by Janet, I think), that
there were exemptions for small, specialist seed-merchants and those
who deal with heritage varieties. The actual paragraphs in the
proposed regulations that were quoted here at the time seemed to bear
that out.

I didn't say I had any view. If you read what I said you will have seen I
said I had taken it from a political group.


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On 16/11/13 16:02, Bob Hobden wrote:
"David in Normandy" wrote

Ophelia wrote:


All ABOUT THE New EU Seed Law


Reading your post, it seems the new law is a very bad thing for
gardeners. Presumably the law is intended to be a benefit for somebody
but who supposed to benefit from this draconian legislation?



"Although they say there will be exceptions, in current drafts of the law
these are very, very limited."
BUT the French will find a way round it or maybe just ignore it
altogether like they do keeping cheese in a fridge in a restaurant.

I hope the French *don't* keep cheese in a fridge - it's the ruination
of it.


--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

In article ,
lid says...

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
I've not plodded through it, but AIUI what you've posted is someone's
view or interpretation of the proposed regulations. When it was
discussed here before, it was pointed out (by Janet, I think), that
there were exemptions for small, specialist seed-merchants and those
who deal with heritage varieties. The actual paragraphs in the
proposed regulations that were quoted here at the time seemed to bear
that out.

I didn't say I had any view. If you read what I said you will have seen I
said I had taken it from a political group.



I dont think you were being criticised, as he said, it
is "someone's view or interpretation". And of course
being a political group, people have their own corner
to fight, sometimes irrespective of the truth!

Don't sulk and just lurk, keep on posting.

--
Roger T

700 ft up in Mid-Wales

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"Roger Tonkin" wrote in message
...
In article ,
lid says...

"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
I've not plodded through it, but AIUI what you've posted is someone's
view or interpretation of the proposed regulations. When it was
discussed here before, it was pointed out (by Janet, I think), that
there were exemptions for small, specialist seed-merchants and those
who deal with heritage varieties. The actual paragraphs in the
proposed regulations that were quoted here at the time seemed to bear
that out.

I didn't say I had any view. If you read what I said you will have seen
I
said I had taken it from a political group.



I dont think you were being criticised, as he said, it
is "someone's view or interpretation". And of course
being a political group, people have their own corner
to fight, sometimes irrespective of the truth!

Don't sulk and just lurk, keep on posting.

Sulk? Moi??? Pah!! I don't know much about gardening you see so I don't
have a lot to post about but I do enjoy reading the group. it wasn't my
opinion I just thought it might be helpful and I did ask first

*mutter*

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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:47:12 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:



"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
. ..
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
I've not plodded through it, but AIUI what you've posted is someone's
view or interpretation of the proposed regulations. When it was
discussed here before, it was pointed out (by Janet, I think), that
there were exemptions for small, specialist seed-merchants and those
who deal with heritage varieties. The actual paragraphs in the
proposed regulations that were quoted here at the time seemed to bear
that out.

I didn't say I had any view. If you read what I said you will have seen I
said I had taken it from a political group.


You misunderstand me. I realised it was taken from another group. What
I said was 'what you've posted is someone's view'. I didn't say it was
_your_ view, nor did I think that. I wanted to point out that it was
an opinion, to distinguish it from a specific quote from the actual
document detailing the proposed regulations. I'm sorry if you
misunderstood.

Ok, but you did say you hadn't read it so ... why dismiss it?
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On 16/11/2013 18:58, RustyHinge wrote:
On 16/11/13 16:02, Bob Hobden wrote:
"David in Normandy" wrote

Ophelia wrote:


All ABOUT THE New EU Seed Law


Reading your post, it seems the new law is a very bad thing for
gardeners. Presumably the law is intended to be a benefit for somebody
but who supposed to benefit from this draconian legislation?



"Although they say there will be exceptions, in current drafts of the law
these are very, very limited."
BUT the French will find a way round it or maybe just ignore it
altogether like they do keeping cheese in a fridge in a restaurant.

I hope the French *don't* keep cheese in a fridge - it's the ruination
of it.


It's never harmed my fridge

"David Hill" wrote in message
...
On 16/11/2013 18:58, RustyHinge wrote:
On 16/11/13 16:02, Bob Hobden wrote:
"David in Normandy" wrote

Ophelia wrote:


All ABOUT THE New EU Seed Law


Reading your post, it seems the new law is a very bad thing for
gardeners. Presumably the law is intended to be a benefit for somebody
but who supposed to benefit from this draconian legislation?



"Although they say there will be exceptions, in current drafts of the
law
these are very, very limited."
BUT the French will find a way round it or maybe just ignore it
altogether like they do keeping cheese in a fridge in a restaurant.

I hope the French *don't* keep cheese in a fridge - it's the ruination
of it.


It's never harmed my fridge

lol
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On 16/11/2013 17:47, Ophelia wrote:


"Chris Hogg" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
I've not plodded through it, but AIUI what you've posted is someone's
view or interpretation of the proposed regulations. When it was
discussed here before, it was pointed out (by Janet, I think), that
there were exemptions for small, specialist seed-merchants and those
who deal with heritage varieties. The actual paragraphs in the
proposed regulations that were quoted here at the time seemed to bear
that out.

I didn't say I had any view. If you read what I said you will have seen
I said I had taken it from a political group.


I wonder who took it from whom?
The Real Seed Catalogue has what I think is the original esp as Ben
Gabel runs The Real Seed Catalogue and is the press contact for the
campaign against the proposed new law.

On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

"Fuschia" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 14:10:26 -0000, "Ophelia"
wrote:

Apologies if you have already seen this.

This was posted in a political group. I hope it can be of use to some.
Best
O
------------------------------------------------------------

If this was as serious as the quoted opinion makes out, where are the
strident complaints from the seed merchants - the Thompson & Morgans
of the UK and across Europe?
It would cost them a fortune to register every one of their varieties.
If they are not worried, should we be?

Good point. You would expect to hear something from them if it were the
case. Have they not been heard to make any comment at all?

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