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I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded.
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I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. Any water near there? Like a small stream or similar. I'm thinking Water Vole. Lots of photos here... http://www.arkive.org/water-vole/arv...ge-A22614.html -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 29/12/2013 15:48, Bob Hobden wrote:
"kay" wrote I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. Any water near there? Like a small stream or similar. I'm thinking Water Vole. Lots of photos here... http://www.arkive.org/water-vole/arv...ge-A22614.html I'd have said it was probably a weasel or just possibility a young otter if there is water around. though they will stray a mile or more from water. David @ a cool but almost rain free Swansea Bay |
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Bob Hobden wrote: "kay" wrote I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. Any water near there? Like a small stream or similar. I'm thinking Water Vole. Lots of photos here... http://www.arkive.org/water-vole/arv...ge-A22614.html I'd have said it was probably a weasel or just possibility a young otter if there is water around. though they will stray a mile or more from water. From Kay's description I would have thought that a weasel was unlikely, it looking like a the inside of a kitchen roll with legs and normally very fast moving, darty. Whilst an otter would not normally be described as having a long thin tail, it's quite muscular looking. Any water voles may well have found their riverbank homes flooded recently so may well be out and about looking for food (grass) and a new place to stay and they do look like a round dumpy rat with a cute face. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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@gardenbanter.co.uk says... I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. polecat? A neighbour used to keep them for rabbiting; his were greyish and the size was midway between a stoat and a ferret. Janet |
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Janet wrote: In article , kay.d35e955 says... I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. polecat? A neighbour used to keep them for rabbiting; his were greyish and the size was midway between a stoat and a ferret. Far more likely to be a mink. They are bred to have all sorts of strange colours, and are much more common. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"David Hill" wrote in message ... On 29/12/2013 15:48, Bob Hobden wrote: "kay" wrote I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. Any water near there? Like a small stream or similar. I'm thinking Water Vole. Lots of photos here... http://www.arkive.org/water-vole/arv...ge-A22614.html I'd have said it was probably a weasel or just possibility a young otter if there is water around. though they will stray a mile or more from water. David @ a cool but almost rain free Swansea Bay I won't be a weasel, they are the size of a pencil and brown. It's probably a squirrel with a mangey tail. Nothing else is silvery grey. |
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"Janet" wrote in message ... In article , kay.d35e955 @gardenbanter.co.uk says... I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. polecat? A neighbour used to keep them for rabbiting; his were greyish and the size was midway between a stoat and a ferret. Janet I considered this, but they don't have roundish heads. |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Janet wrote: In article , kay.d35e955 says... I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. polecat? A neighbour used to keep them for rabbiting; his were greyish and the size was midway between a stoat and a ferret. Far more likely to be a mink. They are bred to have all sorts of strange colours, and are much more common. It would be unusual to see a mink in a retail park, though. Unless there was a river very close. My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem. |
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On 2013-12-29 11:42:12 +0000, kay said:
I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. Ferret? There are variations in colour and bushiness of their tails, too. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 29/12/2013 18:47, Christina Websell wrote:
"David Hill" wrote in message ... On 29/12/2013 15:48, Bob Hobden wrote: "kay" wrote I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. Any water near there? Like a small stream or similar. I'm thinking Water Vole. Lots of photos here... http://www.arkive.org/water-vole/arv...ge-A22614.html I'd have said it was probably a weasel or just possibility a young otter if there is water around. though they will stray a mile or more from water. David @ a cool but almost rain free Swansea Bay I won't be a weasel, they are the size of a pencil and brown. It's probably a squirrel with a mangey tail. Nothing else is silvery grey. You must have very large pencils |
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Not any of those. Water vole - tail too long, and it was light silver grey weasel - too fat and stationary polecat/ferret - body too short, tail much thinner stoat - body too short otter - tail too thin squirrel - it was not a mangey tail, it was a perfectly well-formed thin tail, like a rat or mouse. The closest I can think of is a degu. While it's not totally impossible (it's also a residential area, and there's a nearby petshop), rat is still looking the best bet. |
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Christina Websell wrote: I saw a small animal scurrying around in the undergrowth near a suburban retail park towards dusk - light silvery grey, size and shape of a very well fed grey squirrel. But wrong behaviour for a squirrel - and when it came out on to the grass, I saw it had a long thin tail. Unless anyone has a better idea, it is probably a rat - but it was too light a colour for a rat, and the head was too large and too rounded. polecat? A neighbour used to keep them for rabbiting; his were greyish and the size was midway between a stoat and a ferret. Far more likely to be a mink. They are bred to have all sorts of strange colours, and are much more common. It would be unusual to see a mink in a retail park, though. Unless there was a river very close. Don't you believe it! They aren't as urban as some animals, but get to a lot more places than people realise. And they aren't exclusively aquatic, unlike otters. My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem. That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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@gardenbanter.co.uk says... Gosh! What a lot of replies! It was the urg Christmas quiz :-) No cigar, then. Not any of those. Water vole - tail too long, and it was light silver grey weasel - too fat and stationary polecat/ferret - body too short, tail much thinner stoat - body too short otter - tail too thin squirrel - it was not a mangey tail, it was a perfectly well-formed thin tail, like a rat or mouse. The closest I can think of is a degu. While it's not totally impossible (it's also a residential area, and there's a nearby petshop), rat is still looking the best bet. I had to google degu, never heard of them before. See what you learn on usenet.. Janet |
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kay wrote: 'Nick Maclaren[_3_ Wrote: ;996843']In article , Christina Websell wrote:- My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. Then it was almost certainly a rat. It might have been an exotic rat, kept as a pet, that escaped or was released. For example, an acacia rat. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 2013-12-30 10:18:12 +0000, kay said:
'Nick Maclaren[_3_ Wrote: ;996843']In article , Christina Websell wrote:- My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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, kay said: 'Nick Maclaren Wrote: , Christina Websell wrote:- My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 2013-12-30 18:09:58 +0000, Bob Hobden said:
"sacha" wrote , kay said: 'Nick Maclaren Wrote: , Christina Websell wrote:- My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 30/12/2013 22:51, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-12-30 18:09:58 +0000, Bob Hobden said: "sacha" wrote , kay said: 'Nick Maclaren Wrote: , Christina Websell wrote:- My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey |
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David Hill wrote: On 30/12/2013 22:51, Sacha wrote: On 2013-12-30 18:09:58 +0000, Bob Hobden said: My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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David Hill wrote: Sacha wrote: Bob Hobden said: My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Have you ever grown any? Or an escaped Gilberts Potoroo. Probably a touch unlikely though seeing as it's well on the endangered list. :-) -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 2013-12-30 23:09:43 +0000, David Hill said:
On 30/12/2013 22:51, Sacha wrote: On 2013-12-30 18:09:58 +0000, Bob Hobden said: "sacha" wrote , kay said: 'Nick Maclaren Wrote: , Christina Websell wrote:- My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey One of those mini-pigsā¦. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 2013-12-31 12:39:17 +0000, Bob Hobden said:
"Nick Maclaren" wrote David Hill wrote: Sacha wrote: Bob Hobden said: My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Have you ever grown any? Or an escaped Gilberts Potoroo. Probably a touch unlikely though seeing as it's well on the endangered list. :-) It sounds like a hideous disease! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Regards, Nick Maclaren. I thought that was a type of American Camper van. |
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Bob Hobden said: "Nick Maclaren" wrote David Hill wrote: Sacha wrote: Bob Hobden said: My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Have you ever grown any? Or an escaped Gilberts Potoroo. Probably a touch unlikely though seeing as it's well on the endangered list. :-) It sounds like a hideous disease! http://www.potoroo.org/ -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 2013-12-31 16:48:13 +0000, Bob Hobden said:
"sacha" wrote Bob Hobden said: "Nick Maclaren" wrote David Hill wrote: Sacha wrote: Bob Hobden said: My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Have you ever grown any? Or an escaped Gilberts Potoroo. Probably a touch unlikely though seeing as it's well on the endangered list. :-) It sounds like a hideous disease! http://www.potoroo.org/ That's enchanting, so I hope it's not what Kay saw and is safely tucked up somewhere. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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Bob Hobden said: "sacha" wrote Bob Hobden said: "Nick Maclaren" wrote David Hill wrote: Sacha wrote: Bob Hobden said: My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Have you ever grown any? Or an escaped Gilberts Potoroo. Probably a touch unlikely though seeing as it's well on the endangered list. :-) It sounds like a hideous disease! http://www.potoroo.org/ That's enchanting, so I hope it's not what Kay saw and is safely tucked up somewhere. If you think that's cute how about a Quokka... http://www.rottnestisland.com/about/flora-fauna/quokkas Sorry, I'm having an Ozzy marsupial day. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 31/12/2013 18:00, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Sacha" wrote Bob Hobden said: "sacha" wrote Bob Hobden said: "Nick Maclaren" wrote David Hill wrote: Sacha wrote: Bob Hobden said: My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Have you ever grown any? Or an escaped Gilberts Potoroo. Probably a touch unlikely though seeing as it's well on the endangered list. :-) It sounds like a hideous disease! http://www.potoroo.org/ That's enchanting, so I hope it's not what Kay saw and is safely tucked up somewhere. If you think that's cute how about a Quokka... http://www.rottnestisland.com/about/flora-fauna/quokkas Sorry, I'm having an Ozzy marsupial day. Aaahh! That's so cute. Mind you, if I wanted to find a real cutie in my garden, it would have to be a Fennec Fox, even if it doesn't answer the OP's description! -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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On 31/12/2013 17:36, Sacha wrote:
On 2013-12-31 16:48:13 +0000, Bob Hobden said: "sacha" wrote Bob Hobden said: "Nick Maclaren" wrote David Hill wrote: Sacha wrote: Bob Hobden said: My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Have you ever grown any? Or an escaped Gilberts Potoroo. Probably a touch unlikely though seeing as it's well on the endangered list. :-) It sounds like a hideous disease! http://www.potoroo.org/ That's enchanting, so I hope it's not what Kay saw and is safely tucked up somewhere. And there I was thinking that potoroo was another name for the Australian Dunny |
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On 2013-12-31 18:00:38 +0000, Bob Hobden said:
"Sacha" wrote snip Or an escaped Gilberts Potoroo. Probably a touch unlikely though seeing as it's well on the endangered list. :-) It sounds like a hideous disease! http://www.potoroo.org/ That's enchanting, so I hope it's not what Kay saw and is safely tucked up somewhere. If you think that's cute how about a Quokka... http://www.rottnestisland.com/about/flora-fauna/quokkas Sorry, I'm having an Ozzy marsupial day. Definitely cute central! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:33:55 +0000, Sacha wrote:
http://www.potoroo.org/ That's enchanting, so I hope it's not what Kay saw and is safely tucked up somewhere. Looks like a rat ... I wonder if Kay saw a Black Rat (rattus rattus) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_rat rather than a Brown Rat (rattus norvegicus) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_rat http://www.rottnestisland.com/about/flora-fauna/quokkas Definitely cute central! Looks like a grey squirrel ... Has Galago been mentioned? http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/fs/sheets/images/617med.jpg -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 31/12/2013 21:38, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:33:55 +0000, Sacha wrote: http://www.potoroo.org/ That's enchanting, so I hope it's not what Kay saw and is safely tucked up somewhere. Looks like a rat ... I wonder if Kay saw a Black Rat (rattus rattus) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_rat rather than a Brown Rat (rattus norvegicus) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_rat http://www.rottnestisland.com/about/flora-fauna/quokkas Definitely cute central! Looks like a grey squirrel ... Has Galago been mentioned? http://pin.primate.wisc.edu/fs/sheets/images/617med.jpg Want one!! -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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On 31/12/2013 19:56, David Hill wrote:
On 31/12/2013 17:36, Sacha wrote: On 2013-12-31 16:48:13 +0000, Bob Hobden said: "sacha" wrote Bob Hobden said: "Nick Maclaren" wrote David Hill wrote: Sacha wrote: Bob Hobden said: My money is still on a squirrel with a skin problem.- That's certainly a very likely scenario. It might have caught its tail in something, for example. Definitely not. It was an immaculate mouse/rat type tail. No hint of scarring. There are Coypus running wild in Britain. Coypu are large rodents, with tails 12 to 18 inches long. The size of a medium dog. Well, we've had just about everything else in the mix.... ;-) Not yet, we haven't had a miniature pygmy elephant, Thin tail, round face and grey Or a Rat-Tailed Rutabaga! Have you ever grown any? Or an escaped Gilberts Potoroo. Probably a touch unlikely though seeing as it's well on the endangered list. :-) It sounds like a hideous disease! http://www.potoroo.org/ That's enchanting, so I hope it's not what Kay saw and is safely tucked up somewhere. And there I was thinking that potoroo was another name for the Australian Dunny LOL!! I used to love that Ausie advert with the dunny and the huge tarantula. 4X lager wasn't it? -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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And there I was thinking that potoroo was another name for the Australian Dunny Having had occasion to actually use one (yes I did check under the seat first) I can assure you they are not cute! -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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