"MC Emily" wrote in message
...
Hi

I have a Cherry tree with a branch (about 12" long) below the graft. If I
cut it off, how do I get it to grow into a tree? Does it need rooting
hormone or something? Do I do it indoors or outdoors? Is it the wrong
time
of year? I'm not sure what to do with it but I hate letting things die
and
have plenty of room for new trees, so I'd like to grow it on. Any advice
would be most welcome. Thanks.

Jaqy

Dont. It will be rootstock so it wont be the same as your cherry , and not
very good either (why graft something else on top of it otherwise?!) Would
you spend time growing a weed when you could have a good plant instead?

You cannot grow everything, just look at the seeds even one plant will
produce, the idea is to be selective and grow stuff that is worthwhile.
If you want a new cherry tree buy something good rather than just try and
fill the space available.

--
Tumbleweed

Remove my socks before replying (but no email reply necessary to newsgroups)

In message , MC Emily
writes
Hi

I have a Cherry tree with a branch (about 12" long) below the graft. If I
cut it off, how do I get it to grow into a tree? Does it need rooting
hormone or something? Do I do it indoors or outdoors? Is it the wrong time
of year? I'm not sure what to do with it but I hate letting things die and
have plenty of room for new trees, so I'd like to grow it on. Any advice
would be most welcome. Thanks.

Jaqy


Don't cut it, CRACK IT. Thumbs on top, press down so that underside
breaks open. Then either bury the break in the ground( layering) while
still attached to main tree or bind a bag/pot of soil/compost around the
break. Either way ,roots will generate from the break in the bark.
Leave for at least SIX MONTHS. Inspect root growth every other month(
carefully). Only detach from parent tree when roots well established and
leaf growth is healthy. Then treat as new tree.
--
AllanJohnson

AllanJohnson wrote:
Don't cut it, CRACK IT. Thumbs on top, press down so that underside
breaks open. Then either bury the break in the ground( layering)
while still attached to main tree or bind a bag/pot of soil/compost
around the break. Either way ,roots will generate from the break in
the bark. Leave for at least SIX MONTHS. Inspect root growth every
other month( carefully). Only detach from parent tree when roots well
established and leaf growth is healthy. Then treat as new tree.

Excellent, thanks!! ) I know exactly what you mean and will do it
tomorrow. Thanks again.

Jaqy

"MC Emily" wrote in message
...
AllanJohnson wrote:
Don't cut it, CRACK IT. Thumbs on top, press down so that underside
breaks open. Then either bury the break in the ground( layering)
while still attached to main tree or bind a bag/pot of soil/compost
around the break. Either way ,roots will generate from the break in
the bark. Leave for at least SIX MONTHS. Inspect root growth every
other month( carefully). Only detach from parent tree when roots well
established and leaf growth is healthy. Then treat as new tree.

Excellent, thanks!! ) I know exactly what you mean and will do it
tomorrow. Thanks again.

I can't wait to see this Jaqy)

O

In article , AllanJohnson
writes
In message , MC Emily
writes
Hi

I have a Cherry tree with a branch (about 12" long) below the graft. If I
cut it off, how do I get it to grow into a tree? Does it need rooting
hormone or something? Do I do it indoors or outdoors? Is it the wrong time
of year? I'm not sure what to do with it but I hate letting things die and
have plenty of room for new trees, so I'd like to grow it on. Any advice
would be most welcome. Thanks.

Jaqy


Don't cut it, CRACK IT. Thumbs on top, press down so that underside
breaks open. Then either bury the break in the ground( layering) while
still attached to main tree or bind a bag/pot of soil/compost around the
break. Either way ,roots will generate from the break in the bark.
Leave for at least SIX MONTHS. Inspect root growth every other month(
carefully). Only detach from parent tree when roots well established and
leaf growth is healthy. Then treat as new tree.

I don't understand this. MC Emily is talking about a branch 12" long
(i.e. 1 foot - a new piece of sappy growth), for which the simplest and
most logical answer is to cut it off close to the trunk and stick it in
some compost.

You appear to be giving advice for a mature branch 12 *feet* long -
advise which it appears impossible to follow.
--
Roy Bailey
West Berkshire.

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from AllanJohnson contains these words:
In message , MC Emily
writes
Hi

I have a Cherry tree with a branch (about 12" long) below the graft. If I
cut it off, how do I get it to grow into a tree? Does it need rooting
hormone or something? Do I do it indoors or outdoors? Is it the
wrong time
of year? I'm not sure what to do with it but I hate letting things die and
have plenty of room for new trees, so I'd like to grow it on. Any advice
would be most welcome. Thanks.

Jaqy


Don't cut it, CRACK IT. Thumbs on top, press down so that underside
breaks open. Then either bury the break in the ground( layering) while
still attached to main tree or bind a bag/pot of soil/compost around the
break. Either way ,roots will generate from the break in the bark.
Leave for at least SIX MONTHS. Inspect root growth every other month(
carefully). Only detach from parent tree when roots well established and
leaf growth is healthy. Then treat as new tree.

You will probably end up with some sort of wild cherry, but it would be
useful for grafting or budding good varieties on to.

--
Tony
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http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi

In message , Roy Bailey
writes
You appear to be giving advice for a mature branch 12 *feet* long -
advise which it appears impossible to follow.
Thanks, now planning visit to optician!
--
AllanJohnson

In article , AllanJohnson
writes
In message , Roy Bailey
writes
You appear to be giving advice for a mature branch 12 *feet* long -
advise which it appears impossible to follow.

Thanks, now planning visit to optician!

You will probably be behind me in the queue!
--
Roy Bailey
West Berkshire.

OK, at the lack of any further guidance, I've just cut this 'branch' off as
low as I could and put it in a pot of compost. I put some little stones in
the bottom so it doesn't get waterlogged. I've also cut the tips off the
top - there are about 5 or 6 growing points - so that they're not sapping
all the energy, so hopefully the energy will go into root formation. I've
put the pot close to the original tree so that the situation for it is the
same but I've given it some shelter from the afternoon sun (ha-ha!!). It
will get some sun in the morning up to dinnertime but I thought it would do
better without getting too hot. How long will it take before it roots and I
can put it in the ground?

Jaqy

MC Emily wrote:
Hi

I have a Cherry tree with a branch (about 12" long) below the graft.
If I cut it off, how do I get it to grow into a tree? Does it need
rooting hormone or something? Do I do it indoors or outdoors? Is it
the wrong time of year? I'm not sure what to do with it but I hate
letting things die and have plenty of room for new trees, so I'd like
to grow it on. Any advice would be most welcome. Thanks.

Jaqy

OK, at the lack of any further guidance, I've just cut this 'branch' off as
low as I could and put it in a pot of compost. I put some little stones in
the bottom so it doesn't get waterlogged. I've also cut the tips off the
top - there are about 5 or 6 growing points - so that they're not sapping
all the energy, so hopefully the energy will go into root formation. I've
put the pot close to the original tree so that the situation for it is the
same but I've given it some shelter from the afternoon sun (ha-ha!!). It
will get some sun in the morning up to dinnertime but I thought it would do
better without getting too hot. How long will it take before it roots and I
can put it in the ground?

Jaqy

MC Emily wrote:
Hi

I have a Cherry tree with a branch (about 12" long) below the graft.
If I cut it off, how do I get it to grow into a tree? Does it need
rooting hormone or something? Do I do it indoors or outdoors? Is it
the wrong time of year? I'm not sure what to do with it but I hate
letting things die and have plenty of room for new trees, so I'd like
to grow it on. Any advice would be most welcome. Thanks.

Jaqy

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from "MC Emily" contains these words:

OK, at the lack of any further guidance, I've just cut this 'branch' off as
low as I could and put it in a pot of compost. I put some little stones in
the bottom so it doesn't get waterlogged. I've also cut the tips off the
top - there are about 5 or 6 growing points - so that they're not sapping
all the energy, so hopefully the energy will go into root formation. I've
put the pot close to the original tree so that the situation for it is the
same but I've given it some shelter from the afternoon sun (ha-ha!!). It
will get some sun in the morning up to dinnertime but I thought it would do
better without getting too hot. How long will it take before it roots and I
can put it in the ground?

I'd have mixed some sharp sand with the compost. And I'm not too proud
to use rooting hormone either...

--
Tony
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http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi

On Mon, 12 May 2003 13:06:54 +0100, MC Emily wrote:
OK, at the lack of any further guidance, I've just cut this 'branch' off as
low as I could and put it in a pot of compost. I put some little stones in
the bottom so it doesn't get waterlogged. I've also cut the tips off the
top - there are about 5 or 6 growing points - so that they're not sapping

Hi Emily,

Keep that compost moist all the time. The branchlet will need to drink a
lot of water whilst the roots are growing in. Cherry's are tough old
things, I'd put the pot somewhere convenient rather than next to the tree
it came off!

It's going to take a while for the roots to grow, if they do at all. Make
sure you have removed all except the top 2 or 3 leaves. You may also want
to shorten your cutting to just below a convenient bud - a shorter
cutting, i.e. one closer to the younger new flesh at the tip of the
branch might take more easily.

HTH, Sarah

In article , Anthony E Anson
writes
And I'm not too proud
to use rooting hormone either...

Won't do you the slightest bit of good.
I've said it before and I'll say it again . . . .

------------------------------------------
HORMONE ROOTING POWDER


If you take cuttings at the right time in the right place there is
absolutely no need to use root hormone. In fact using the stuff can have
adverse effects.

According to the RHS book on techniques
---------------------------------------

". . . a substance that sets fruits at one concentration and produces
roots on stem cuttings at another may be used as a weedkiller at yet
another. Thus it is exceedingly important to follow dosage instructions
exactly in order ot obtain the desired results.
It is also important to realize that these chemicals do not
constitute a panacea for success: they will not induce rooting responses
if the inherent abiltiy of the stem to produce roots is not present.
Their action is merely to enhance the innate capacity of the stem to
produce its roots both in greater quantities and quicker than might
otherwise have been the case. If the stem cutting is propagated from a
healthy plant and at the correct season, then the use of such hormones
is usually of no advantage whatsoever. They should be used with
knowledge, and only as and when they are likely to achieve an effect. .
.. . .
. . . it is important to understand one or two basic premises.
Firstly, that the concentration of hormone applied to induce root
formation is not the best concentration to cause root development.
Secondly, although the hormone may be absorbed through the bark, most of
the hormone will be taken up through the cut base of the stem cutting.
In actually applying the hormone therefore take care to touch
only the basal cut surface on to the powder so that no powder adheres to
the outside of the stem . . .
By applying the hormone the roots are induced to form, but if
they emerge and come into contact with the hormone still on the bark
this may cause the roots to die off. "

-------------

Years ago, when I first read this, I experimented by using rooting
powder for half my cuttings and none for the other half. There was
absolutely no difference in the success rate between the two methods.
For the layman, hormone rooting powder is a complete and utter con; just
another way of making money out of the poor gullible general public for
the big chemical companies (

And, quoting Rod Craddock, another urgler, -
Another thing which is not as widely known as it should be, obviously you
don't shout it too loud if you're selling the stuff is that it has
practically no shelf life, it's probably already past it's best when you buy
it and pretty well useless soon after you first open it.
I dabbled a bit with rooting hormones when propagating shrubs commercially
and found it very difficult to get consistent repeatable results even though
we mixed fresh solutions each time.

--
Jane Ransom in Lancaster.
I won't respond to private emails that are on topic for urg
but if you need to email me for any other reason,
put jandg dot demon dot co dot uk where you see deadspam.com

Sarah Dale wrote:
Keep that compost moist all the time. The branchlet will need to
drink a lot of water whilst the roots are growing in. Cherry's are
tough old things, I'd put the pot somewhere convenient rather than
next to the tree it came off!

Thanks for this advice. It's not too far from the house where it is so it's
convenient enough to keep an eye on it .

It's going to take a while for the roots to grow, if they do at all.
Make sure you have removed all except the top 2 or 3 leaves. You may
also want to shorten your cutting to just below a convenient bud - a
shorter cutting, i.e. one closer to the younger new flesh at the tip
of the branch might take more easily.

I think I'll take a picture of it later and stick it on my website for you
to see. Then you can tell me what to cut off and what to leave. Things
like this are so difficult to explain! )

HTH, Sarah

Yes, it does )) Thanks. I'll be back when I have a photo up.

Jaqy

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Roy Bailey wrote:
I don't understand this. MC Emily is talking about a branch 12" long
(i.e. 1 foot - a new piece of sappy growth), for which the simplest
and most logical answer is to cut it off close to the trunk and stick
it in some compost.

You appear to be giving advice for a mature branch 12 *feet* long -
advise which it appears impossible to follow.

Just as I was about to go outside to do this job, I read the above. Good
job I didn't go outside any sooner )) You are right in what you say -
it is 12 inches, approx. It's quite soft-ish but is covered in leaves, that
are as big as the main tree's leaves, and very healthy. I know some of you
will think just get rid of it and buy a decent tree but I have lots and lots
of room for trees and I hate killing anything off, especially when it's so
healthy. If I put it in some compost then, will it grow? Does it need
rooting hormone or anything else? Should I keep it outside or molly-coddle
it for a while? I'll hold off with this and wait for any more replies.
Thanks.

Jaqy