Difficult to climb fencing
 

We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really
need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.

Difficult to climb fencing
 

And I suppose you are not allowed to use 20,000 volts through it either
then?


Brian

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"P Bentley" wrote in message
...
We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use
any barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.

Difficult to climb fencing
 

"P Bentley" wrote

We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


I've been an allotment rep for many years and attended many meetings where
sites reported criminal damage and thefts. Some had very expensive metal
fencing, impossible to climb, the thieves just cut a big hole through it and
it cost a fortune to replace, twice!
The only way to stop thefts is to ensure nothing of value is ever kept on
the site, all sheds must be kept unlocked. Indeed the best way is to remove
all sheds, no sheds no temptation. If plot holders use the shed as a toilet
then it would be cheaper to build a proper composting toilet on site than
erect a strong fence, more temptation.
A small trailer for the car is no more than the cost of a shed to buy and
allows you to collect manure etc too, as well as carting your tools back and
forth. If you live close to the site then use a wheelbarrow to cart your
tools. You could, like me, invest in an old Defender as a moving allotment
shed.
When I moved to our present site there was only one plot with a tiny shed
and there was never any thefts or damage until the sudden influx of new
gardeners, all of which immediately put a shed up. Result, we have been
subject to at least annual thefts and damage ever since.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
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"P Bentley" wrote in message
...
We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use
any barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


Plant a row of brambles. Free, more effctive and legit compared with barbed
wire.

The problem is, always there are gates.

IR camera?

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On 02/03/2014 16:14, P Bentley wrote:
We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really
need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


Inexpensive and difficult to climb are probably mutually exclusive
requirements. I have seen putting wobbly trellis on top of an existing
fence recommended as a deterrent, but have no experience of it myself.

I grow Albertine roses up the walls and fences and use prickle strips
along the gates:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Defenders-Pr.../dp/B00B33XP1O

Colin Bignell

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On 02/03/2014 17:14, harryagain wrote:

Plant a row of brambles. Free, more effctive and legit compared with barbed
wire.


Pyracantha is probably better. It's a real swine to cut through. The
real trouble is that the OP needs something instant.

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On 02/03/2014 19:34, GB wrote:
On 02/03/2014 17:14, harryagain wrote:

Plant a row of brambles. Free, more effctive and legit compared with
barbed
wire.


Pyracantha is probably better. It's a real swine to cut through. The
real trouble is that the OP needs something instant.

In the real world if they could afford Pyracantha all round the
allotments they wouldn't worry about loosing a few odds and ends of
tools etc..
If you are going for a hedge then Hawthorn bought by the thousand bare
rooted. Offers security as well as flowers for bees etc and fruit for
the birds also nesting sites as it matures.

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In message , David Hill
writes
On 02/03/2014 19:34, GB wrote:
On 02/03/2014 17:14, harryagain wrote:

Plant a row of brambles. Free, more effctive and legit compared with
barbed
wire.


Pyracantha is probably better. It's a real swine to cut through. The
real trouble is that the OP needs something instant.

In the real world if they could afford Pyracantha all round the
allotments they wouldn't worry about loosing a few odds and ends of
tools etc..
If you are going for a hedge then Hawthorn bought by the thousand bare
rooted. Offers security as well as flowers for bees etc and fruit for
the birds also nesting sites as it matures.

Seconded.

I planted about 40' of Hawthorn across the end of my garden about 15
years ago, a) because I like it and b) as an intruder barrier. The
first 4 or 5 years I was wishing it would grow a bit quicker, now at a
cut 12' high I wish it would slow down a bit!

The birds love it and it does make a good defence though.




--
Bill

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On 02/03/2014 19:59, David Hill wrote:
On 02/03/2014 19:34, GB wrote:
On 02/03/2014 17:14, harryagain wrote:

Plant a row of brambles. Free, more effctive and legit compared with
barbed
wire.


Pyracantha is probably better. It's a real swine to cut through. The
real trouble is that the OP needs something instant.

In the real world if they could afford Pyracantha all round the
allotments they wouldn't worry about loosing a few odds and ends of
tools etc..

I had no idea of the cost. The previous owners of our house planted it
as a shrub against a wall in the middle of our garden. Quite frankly,
anyone who wants to cut the bloody thing down and take it away is
welcome to have the whole bloody lot for cuttings, roots and all. I
suggest bringing armour and plenty of sticking plaster.

Difficult to climb fencing
 

In message , GB
writes

Pyracantha is probably better. It's a real swine to cut through. The
real trouble is that the OP needs something instant.

In the real world if they could afford Pyracantha all round the
allotments they wouldn't worry about loosing a few odds and ends of
tools etc..

I had no idea of the cost. The previous owners of our house planted it
as a shrub against a wall in the middle of our garden. Quite frankly,
anyone who wants to cut the bloody thing down and take it away is
welcome to have the whole bloody lot for cuttings, roots and all. I
suggest bringing armour and plenty of sticking plaster.


I had one Pyracantha beside a fence, it was vicious, I'm sure that it
jumped out and attacked me every time I walked past. There again I did
spend a few years trying to kill it. My wife liked it, so I had to be
subtle, heavily cutting it back at the end of each year had no effect.
Cutting everything above ground away had no effect. Eventually a
liberal dose of petrol finally killed it off.

But for anyone wanting a seriously vicious intruder deterrent it is
great, just don't expect it to be friendly towards you.
--
Bill

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On 2014-03-02 19:59:13 +0000, David Hill said:

On 02/03/2014 19:34, GB wrote:
On 02/03/2014 17:14, harryagain wrote:

Plant a row of brambles. Free, more effctive and legit compared with
barbed
wire.


Pyracantha is probably better. It's a real swine to cut through. The
real trouble is that the OP needs something instant.

In the real world if they could afford Pyracantha all round the
allotments they wouldn't worry about loosing a few odds and ends of
tools etc..
If you are going for a hedge then Hawthorn bought by the thousand bare
rooted. Offers security as well as flowers for bees etc and fruit for
the birds also nesting sites as it matures.

Rosa rugosa is another vicious contender!
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

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On 02/03/2014 23:47, Bill wrote:
In message , GB
writes

Pyracantha is probably better. It's a real swine to cut through. The
real trouble is that the OP needs something instant.

In the real world if they could afford Pyracantha all round the
allotments they wouldn't worry about loosing a few odds and ends of
tools etc..

I had no idea of the cost. The previous owners of our house planted it
as a shrub against a wall in the middle of our garden. Quite frankly,
anyone who wants to cut the bloody thing down and take it away is
welcome to have the whole bloody lot for cuttings, roots and all. I
suggest bringing armour and plenty of sticking plaster.


I had one Pyracantha beside a fence, it was vicious, I'm sure that it
jumped out and attacked me every time I walked past. There again I did
spend a few years trying to kill it. My wife liked it, so I had to be
subtle, heavily cutting it back at the end of each year had no effect.
Cutting everything above ground away had no effect. Eventually a
liberal dose of petrol finally killed it off.

But for anyone wanting a seriously vicious intruder deterrent it is
great, just don't expect it to be friendly towards you.

Pyracantha is my absolute favourite shrub. Colour all year round plus
berries for the blackbirds. Hedge, tree, climber, whatever you want it
to be. I trim mine lightly once a year, and their behaviour is impeccable

Difficult to climb fencing
 

"P Bentley" wrote ...

We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for.

Having read the comments, yes, prickly plants will deter the casual thief
and vandal but the problem with allotments is it is no longer those people
causing the serious problems it's the determined professional thief with
pickup trucks and tools. If they come prepared to cut through a strong metal
fence a prickly plant will be no problem, they will just chainsaw it, or
drive over it.
Get rid of the temptation and they won't be interested.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

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On 03/03/2014 10:58, stuart noble wrote:
On 02/03/2014 23:47, Bill wrote:
In message , GB
writes

Pyracantha is probably better. It's a real swine to cut through. The
real trouble is that the OP needs something instant.

In the real world if they could afford Pyracantha all round the
allotments they wouldn't worry about loosing a few odds and ends of
tools etc..

I had no idea of the cost. The previous owners of our house planted it
as a shrub against a wall in the middle of our garden. Quite frankly,
anyone who wants to cut the bloody thing down and take it away is
welcome to have the whole bloody lot for cuttings, roots and all. I
suggest bringing armour and plenty of sticking plaster.


I had one Pyracantha beside a fence, it was vicious, I'm sure that it
jumped out and attacked me every time I walked past. There again I did
spend a few years trying to kill it. My wife liked it, so I had to be
subtle, heavily cutting it back at the end of each year had no effect.
Cutting everything above ground away had no effect. Eventually a
liberal dose of petrol finally killed it off.

But for anyone wanting a seriously vicious intruder deterrent it is
great, just don't expect it to be friendly towards you.

Pyracantha is my absolute favourite shrub. Colour all year round plus
berries for the blackbirds. Hedge, tree, climber, whatever you want it
to be. I trim mine lightly once a year, and their behaviour is impeccable




I agree. It's a great shrub, both for the garden and for nature. Alas,
many people plant it in the wrong place and spend theirs and the plant's
future hacking it back.

In summer, mine is smothered with blossom and attracts bees, hoverflies,
butterflies and moths - to name but a few. In autumn and winter it is
covered with a fiery tapestry of red, orange and golden berries. These
attract blackbirds, redwings, various tits and, of course, pigeons.

On top of that, the security benefit is great. It's legal barbed wire
with pretty bits. What's not to like?

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay

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"Martin" wrote

"Bob Hobden" wrote:

"P Bentley" wrote ...

We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use
any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for.

Having read the comments, yes, prickly plants will deter the casual thief
and vandal but the problem with allotments is it is no longer those people
causing the serious problems it's the determined professional thief with
pickup trucks and tools. If they come prepared to cut through a strong
metal
fence a prickly plant will be no problem, they will just chainsaw it, or
drive over it.
Get rid of the temptation and they won't be interested.

Our allotment is inside a high security area. It doesn't stop the very well
paid
people working there stealing tools and vegetables.

We don't keep any tools on our plot, not even a line. All we have ever got
is footprints as the villains walk across our plot to get to yet another
shed on someone else's.
On one visit by the thieves there was a strimmer, cordless electric drill, a
brand new large cultivator worth hundreds and a petrol generator as well as
other bits stashed by the gate ready to be collected, only I got their first
and called the Police. It's that potential income from the sheds that keeps
these people coming back time and again and why I say don't keep tools on
your site as a temptation.

--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

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On 03/03/2014 16:53, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Martin" wrote

"Bob Hobden" wrote:

"P Bentley" wrote ...

We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb,
as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to
use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available
with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for.

Having read the comments, yes, prickly plants will deter the casual
thief
and vandal but the problem with allotments is it is no longer those
people
causing the serious problems it's the determined professional thief with
pickup trucks and tools. If they come prepared to cut through a
strong metal
fence a prickly plant will be no problem, they will just chainsaw it, or
drive over it.
Get rid of the temptation and they won't be interested.

Our allotment is inside a high security area. It doesn't stop the very
well paid
people working there stealing tools and vegetables.

We don't keep any tools on our plot, not even a line. All we have ever
got is footprints as the villains walk across our plot to get to yet
another shed on someone else's.
On one visit by the thieves there was a strimmer, cordless electric
drill, a brand new large cultivator worth hundreds and a petrol
generator as well as other bits stashed by the gate ready to be
collected, only I got their first and called the Police. It's that
potential income from the sheds that keeps these people coming back time
and again and why I say don't keep tools on your site as a temptation.





This happened at an allotment I know in Yorkshire. The allotment
holders got so fed up with losing both veg and equipment that they
talked to the police. The police provided them with Smar****er plus a
sign to put up on the entrance gates saying that Smar****er was used.
As far as I know, they've had no more trouble. Perhaps this is
something the OP could try.

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay

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On 03/03/2014 17:03, Spider wrote:

Snipped
This happened at an allotment I know in Yorkshire. The allotment
holders got so fed up with losing both veg and equipment that they
talked to the police. The police provided them with Smar****er plus a
sign to put up on the entrance gates saying that Smar****er was used. As
far as I know, they've had no more trouble. Perhaps this is something
the OP could try.

I got a Smart Water kit from my neighbourhood watch. It cost £25 and
includes a number of warning stickers.

--
Pete C
adventure before dementure
http://www.scar-crockenhill.org/
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Secon...57749060989952

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On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:14:20 -0000, "P Bentley"
wrote:

We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really
need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.




You could put carpet gripper strips on the inside at the top of the fence. This
may deter people from climbing over as they try and get a hand hold.

Difficult to climb fencing
 

On 03/03/2014 23:23, Judith wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:14:20 -0000, "P Bentley"
wrote:

We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really
need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.




You could put carpet gripper strips on the inside at the top of the fence. This
may deter people from climbing over as they try and get a hand hold.




He isn't allowed barbed wire so he won't be able to fit gripper rods.

Anti climb paint is the obvious answer.

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"dennis@home" wrote in message
web.com...


He isn't allowed barbed wire so he won't be able to fit gripper rods.

Anti climb paint is the obvious answer.

Coiled razor wire - just the job in my book (:-)
Pete

Difficult to climb fencing
 

In message , Peter & Jeanne
writes


"dennis@home" wrote in message
aweb.com...


He isn't allowed barbed wire so he won't be able to fit gripper rods.

Anti climb paint is the obvious answer.

Coiled razor wire - just the job in my book (:-)
Pete

It certainly does! I used it once and would never voluntarily go near
it again.

Interestingly, as it is outlawed in many places, I was in one of Her
Majesty's hotels recently where they had razor wire fitted and was told
that they are breaking some law or other and get fined for each year it
is in place. They prefer to pay the fine and keep the place secure
rather than not have it.

I have encountered anti climb paint and as well as stopping climbing it
also marks the user and their clothes very well too, so it makes them a
bit more traceable in the short term.
--
Bill

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 16:45:46 +0000, Bob Hobden wrote:

"P Bentley" wrote

We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use
any barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with
the above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


I've been an allotment rep for many years and attended many meetings
where sites reported criminal damage and thefts. Some had very expensive
metal fencing, impossible to climb, the thieves just cut a big hole
through it and it cost a fortune to replace, twice!
The only way to stop thefts is to ensure nothing of value is ever kept
on the site, all sheds must be kept unlocked. Indeed the best way is to
remove all sheds, no sheds no temptation. If plot holders use the shed
as a toilet then it would be cheaper to build a proper composting toilet
on site than erect a strong fence, more temptation.
A small trailer for the car is no more than the cost of a shed to buy
and allows you to collect manure etc too, as well as carting your tools
back and forth. If you live close to the site then use a wheelbarrow to
cart your tools. You could, like me, invest in an old Defender as a
moving allotment shed.
When I moved to our present site there was only one plot with a tiny
shed and there was never any thefts or damage until the sudden influx of
new gardeners, all of which immediately put a shed up. Result, we have
been subject to at least annual thefts and damage ever since.

All very logical IF you have plenty of parking and easy access from the
parking to your plot.

At our allotments parking is very limited, and since they sub-divided into
half plots (5 rods IIRC) only the plot holder nearest the track has any
chance of parking a Land Rover or a trailer at the plot.

Ours is a 'C' plot which means you have to trek down from the track past
'A' and 'B' to get there - in fact there may be four plots - I need to
check if it is 'n' then 'nA' 'nB' 'nC'. Anyway it is a long trek from the
minimal parking to the plot. Coupled with the logistics of moving your
'nickables' from your trailer (if you can find room to park it) in several
trips both going and coming it is not an easy task.

It is a real PITA if you haven't got room to park a trailer and you have
to heave everything in and out of the back of the car (including the wheel
barrow to move it all in) each time you go down there.

The result is that most plot holders leave the basic gardening tools -
spade, fork, rake, hand tools etc. - down at the allotment so that they
are there when you need them and not a major pain to take back and forth
each time you visit.

I would love to be able to use an old Defender as a mobile shed :-)

There is Smar****er in use at the site.

We are also a relatively low crime area.

The major security (apart from prickly hedges) is the combination lock on
the gate.

However most people are too lazy to re-lock and scramble the combination.

Many are too lazy to even close the gate.

Still, level of theft remains low AFAIK.

I am looking forward to the shed going up as a place to sit and admire the
allotment on a summer evening - so I am probably deluding myself.

Cheers

Dave R

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On Sun, 2 Mar 2014 16:14:20 -0000, "P Bentley"
wrote:

We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really
need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000

Is the stuff you want really.

Can you get a lottery grant for it?
--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

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"mogga" wrote

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000

Is the stuff you want really.

Can you get a lottery grant for it?



This is the stuff they had around the allotment near here that was simply
cut out, twice.
ttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PALISADE-GALVANISED-METAL-SECURITY-FENCING-52-25M-ALL-HEIGHTS-/110841852121?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Supply_Security_ Equipment_ET&var=&hash=item19ceb070d9


--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

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On 11/03/2014 13:46, Bob Hobden wrote:
"mogga" wrote

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000



Is the stuff you want really.

Can you get a lottery grant for it?



This is the stuff they had around the allotment near here that was
simply cut out, twice.
ttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PALISADE-GALVANISED-METAL-SECURITY-FENCING-52-25M-ALL-HEIGHTS-/110841852121?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Supply_Security_ Equipment_ET&var=&hash=item19ceb070d9





You may as well accept that all fences are easy to cut.
They only really work if there is some chance of the thief being caught
while doing it.
If there is nobody passing or likely to see/hear them cutting it you may
as well not bother.
You could put an alarm on the fence if there is anyone to respond.

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"dennis@home" wrote in message
eb.com...


You may as well accept that all fences are easy to cut.
They only really work if there is some chance of the thief being caught
while doing it.
If there is nobody passing or likely to see/hear them cutting it you may as
well not bother.
You could put an alarm on the fence if there is anyone to respond.



Perhaps augmented by a few "Danger -- High Voltage" signs (:-)

Pete

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"Peter & Jeanne" wrote

"dennis@home" wrote


You may as well accept that all fences are easy to cut.
They only really work if there is some chance of the thief being caught
while doing it.
If there is nobody passing or likely to see/hear them cutting it you may
as well not bother.
You could put an alarm on the fence if there is anyone to respond.



Perhaps augmented by a few "Danger -- High Voltage" signs (:-)


Then they would go after the cable! :-)
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

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On 11/03/2014 12:52, mogga wrote:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000

Is the stuff you want really.

I've just seen some of that freshly installed.

With a padlock and chain on the bit the scrotes pulled off within a
fortnight :(

Andy

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:46:47 -0000, "Bob Hobden"
wrote:

"mogga" wrote

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2m-High-V-...-/140909675000

Is the stuff you want really.

Can you get a lottery grant for it?



This is the stuff they had around the allotment near here that was simply
cut out, twice.
ttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PALISADE-GALVANISED-METAL-SECURITY-FENCING-52-25M-ALL-HEIGHTS-/110841852121?pt=UK_BOI_Industrial_Supply_Security_ Equipment_ET&var=&hash=item19ceb070d9


You need to up the observation side of things in the area too there!


--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:27:30 +0000, "dennis@home"
wrote:


You may as well accept that all fences are easy to cut.
They only really work if there is some chance of the thief being caught
while doing it.
If there is nobody passing or likely to see/hear them cutting it you may
as well not bother.
You could put an alarm on the fence if there is anyone to respond.


One of the reasons for having an allotment event each year is that it
makes local residents aware we're here and that we're much better than
what used to be here.
--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

Difficult to climb fencing
 

In message , P Bentley
writes
We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really
need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


Having seen many of the contributions about fencing, you may find a moat
would be a better bet. A water filled stagnant ditch edged with
brambles would be a good deterrent.
--
Bill

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On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:47:56 +0000, Bill
wrote:

In message , P Bentley
writes
We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really
need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


Having seen many of the contributions about fencing, you may find a moat
would be a better bet. A water filled stagnant ditch edged with
brambles would be a good deterrent.


We have easy to climb fencing at one corner. The other side is higher
than ours. A couple of barrows of manure makes a nice squidgy landing
for anyone coming over there.
--
http://www.voucherfreebies.co.uk

Difficult to climb fencing
 

In article ,
mogga writes:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:47:56 +0000, Bill
wrote:

In message , P Bentley
writes
We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we really
need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


Having seen many of the contributions about fencing, you may find a moat
would be a better bet. A water filled stagnant ditch edged with
brambles would be a good deterrent.

We have easy to climb fencing at one corner. The other side is higher
than ours. A couple of barrows of manure makes a nice squidgy landing
for anyone coming over there.

Was listening to an ex-burglar saying trellis along the top makes
it much harder, because it will break one way or another, and the
noise attracts attention, which is what they don't like.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

Difficult to climb fencing
 

In article , Andrew Gabriel
wrote:
In article , mogga
writes:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:47:56 +0000, Bill
wrote:

In message , P Bentley
writes
We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as
we have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to
use any barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with
the above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


Having seen many of the contributions about fencing, you may find a
moat would be a better bet. A water filled stagnant ditch edged with
brambles would be a good deterrent.

We have easy to climb fencing at one corner. The other side is higher
than ours. A couple of barrows of manure makes a nice squidgy landing
for anyone coming over there.

Was listening to an ex-burglar saying trellis along the top makes it much
harder, because it will break one way or another, and the noise attracts
attention, which is what they don't like.

when we got burgled some years ago, the noise of breaking glass and
splintering woodwork was considered by our nextdoor neighbour to be caused
by me cutting down a tree. This despite the facts that a) it was during
office hours and b) she was our local Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinator.

--
From KT24

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.18

Difficult to climb fencing
 

In message , charles
writes
Having seen many of the contributions about fencing, you may find a
moat would be a better bet. A water filled stagnant ditch edged with
brambles would be a good deterrent.

We have easy to climb fencing at one corner. The other side is higher
than ours. A couple of barrows of manure makes a nice squidgy landing
for anyone coming over there.

Was listening to an ex-burglar saying trellis along the top makes it much
harder, because it will break one way or another, and the noise attracts
attention, which is what they don't like.

when we got burgled some years ago, the noise of breaking glass and
splintering woodwork was considered by our nextdoor neighbour to be caused
by me cutting down a tree. This despite the facts that a) it was during
office hours and b) she was our local Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinator.


All too common unfortunately.

In a previous house my neighbour waved at the guy she had disturbed
forcing my patio doors, he said "hi" and seemed a nice guy. Luckily he
decided to make a quick retreat, my neighbour would have probably
offered him a cup of tea!

At my present house I had £15.000:00 of aluminium pump up radio masts
stolen and taken away on a flat bed truck. I know how they went because
another neighbour watched them and said, afterwards, how efficient and
hard working the 2 guys were.

Sometimes I do wonder if the crooks would have to wear black and white
striped tee shirts and carry a bag marked SWAG before any one thought
they were up to no good.
--
Bill

Difficult to climb fencing
 

On 13/03/2014 11:55, charles wrote:
In article , Andrew Gabriel
wrote:
In article , mogga
writes:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:47:56 +0000, Bill
wrote:

In message , P Bentley
writes
We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as
we have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to
use any barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with
the above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


Having seen many of the contributions about fencing, you may find a
moat would be a better bet. A water filled stagnant ditch edged with
brambles would be a good deterrent.

We have easy to climb fencing at one corner. The other side is higher
than ours. A couple of barrows of manure makes a nice squidgy landing
for anyone coming over there.

Was listening to an ex-burglar saying trellis along the top makes it much
harder, because it will break one way or another, and the noise attracts
attention, which is what they don't like.

when we got burgled some years ago, the noise of breaking glass and
splintering woodwork was considered by our nextdoor neighbour to be caused
by me cutting down a tree. This despite the facts that a) it was during
office hours and b) she was our local Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinator.





That's appalling! I'm a neighbourhood watch coordinator and I would
never sit through that sort of noise without checking it out. Mind you,
we have just been given an award by the Met Police so we're obviously
doing something right. Neighbourhood Watch is about rather more than
putting up a sticker and snuggling back down into complacency.

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay

Difficult to climb fencing
 

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:04:42 +0000, Spider wrote:

On 13/03/2014 11:55, charles wrote:
In article , Andrew Gabriel
wrote:

Was listening to an ex-burglar saying trellis along the top makes it
much harder, because it will break one way or another, and the noise
attracts attention, which is what they don't like.

when we got burgled some years ago, the noise of breaking glass and
splintering woodwork was considered by our nextdoor neighbour to be
caused by me cutting down a tree. This despite the facts that a) it
was during office hours and b) she was our local Neighbourhood Watch
co-ordinator.





That's appalling! I'm a neighbourhood watch coordinator and I would
never sit through that sort of noise without checking it out. Mind you,
we have just been given an award by the Met Police so we're obviously
doing something right. Neighbourhood Watch is about rather more than
putting up a sticker and snuggling back down into complacency.

I climbed over my own fence yesterday to reach an area that was blocked
by a boat and trailer. I felt it was very dangerous and if it broke or I
slipped I would have been injured. Here's my fence:
http://i50.tinypic.com/10deic2.jpg

Two of my neighbours have given me CCTV cameras so I can watch for
thieves and vandals. I think I have caught every one of them.

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"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
mogga writes:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:47:56 +0000, Bill
wrote:

In message , P Bentley
writes
We are needing a long stretch of fencing around our allotment. But we
really
need to keep the cost down as much as possible.

It does not have to look pretty, but must be *difficult* to climb, as we
have had a number of thefts on the allotment. We are not allowed to use
any
barbed-wire.

Any suggestions as to what good inexpensive fencing is available with
the
above requirements, we would be grateful for. Thanks.


Having seen many of the contributions about fencing, you may find a moat
would be a better bet. A water filled stagnant ditch edged with
brambles would be a good deterrent.

We have easy to climb fencing at one corner. The other side is higher
than ours. A couple of barrows of manure makes a nice squidgy landing
for anyone coming over there.

Was listening to an ex-burglar saying trellis along the top makes
it much harder, because it will break one way or another, and the
noise attracts attention, which is what they don't like.

--
Thick grease along the top?