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I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!

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On 22/03/2014 13:33, Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK






Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply
see a tree or bush which is getting too big and they want to control it.
If they could. They'll learn.

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay

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On 22/03/2014 22:01, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:14:25 +0000, Spider wrote:

On 22/03/2014 13:33, Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK






Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply
see a tree or bush which is getting too big and they want to control it.
If they could. They'll learn.


Our neighbour employs a professional to do her garden. He did exactly the same
to her apple trees as Bob's plot holders. Instead of weeding, he dumps earth on
top of the weeds in her small front garden.




Totally brainless, but utterly believable. No wonder gardening is not a
respected profession.
--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay

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"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!



Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some pruning
is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply see a tree or
bush which is getting too big and they want to control it. If they could.
They'll learn.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too big,
just getting going and beginning to show their best would have been my
comment. Not in any case did they need more than a light tidy up, crossed
branches etc, instead they got a total chop back to the main framework, the
single main stem in the case of the gooseberries, no fruiting spurs left on
the apple.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
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On 23/03/2014 08:57, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!



Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply
see a tree or bush which is getting too big and they want to control
it. If they could. They'll learn.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too
big, just getting going and beginning to show their best would have been
my comment. Not in any case did they need more than a light tidy up,
crossed branches etc, instead they got a total chop back to the main
framework, the single main stem in the case of the gooseberries, no
fruiting spurs left on the apple.




Mystifying, and very sad. Let's hope they have the sense to ask for
advice next time. There seems little point being too proud to ask for
help when you're surrounded by all the collective knowledge on an allotment.

--
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On high ground in SE London
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On 2014-03-22 22:28:54 +0000, Spider said:

On 22/03/2014 22:01, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:14:25 +0000, Spider wrote:

On 22/03/2014 13:33, Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK






Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply
see a tree or bush which is getting too big and they want to control it.
If they could. They'll learn.


Our neighbour employs a professional to do her garden. He did exactly the same
to her apple trees as Bob's plot holders. Instead of weeding, he dumps earth on
top of the weeds in her small front garden.




Totally brainless, but utterly believable. No wonder gardening is not a
respected profession.


But that's not gardening, that's conning. And it's why so-called
'jobbing gardeners' can get a bad name - because of the few idiots who
think they can get someone to pay them for doing a bodged job - and
they do!
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On 23/03/2014 11:24, Spider wrote:
On 23/03/2014 08:57, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week,
you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!


Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply
see a tree or bush which is getting too big and they want to control
it. If they could. They'll learn.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too
big, just getting going and beginning to show their best would have been
my comment. Not in any case did they need more than a light tidy up,
crossed branches etc, instead they got a total chop back to the main
framework, the single main stem in the case of the gooseberries, no
fruiting spurs left on the apple.




Mystifying, and very sad. Let's hope they have the sense to ask for
advice next time. There seems little point being too proud to ask for
help when you're surrounded by all the collective knowledge on an
allotment.

The neighbour to one side of me treats here garden as a house proud
woman would treat her house. There are three mature limes in he
garden,in the autumn she is outside collecting the leaves as they fall.
As regards pruning, nothing is allowed to grow "untidy". recently they
pruned an apple tree, by cutting it back to the trunk and three main
branches, mind you the apples are kleft on the tree to rot. The latest
thing they have pruned is a fir tree, that has been cut right back to a
few branches on the trunk, what will happen when it does nor shoot as
deciduous trees do?
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On 23/03/2014 11:24, Spider wrote:
On 23/03/2014 08:57, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?


Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too
big, just getting going and beginning to show their best would have been
my comment.


Mystifying, and very sad. Let's hope they have the sense to ask for
advice next time. There seems little point being too proud to ask for
help when you're surrounded by all the collective knowledge on an allotment.


They will never ask if they haven't this time. The neighbourly thing
to do is to have a friendly word with them.
--
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"Phil Cook" wrote

Spider wrote:
Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week,
you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if
not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?


Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too
big, just getting going and beginning to show their best would have been
my comment.


Mystifying, and very sad. Let's hope they have the sense to ask for
advice next time. There seems little point being too proud to ask for
help when you're surrounded by all the collective knowledge on an
allotment.


They will never ask if they haven't this time. The neighbourly thing to do
is to have a friendly word with them.

Tried that once before about something else and would not dream of saying
anything again unless they broach the subject.
--
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On 23/03/2014 13:10, sacha wrote:
On 2014-03-22 22:28:54 +0000, Spider said:

On 22/03/2014 22:01, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 14:14:25 +0000, Spider wrote:

On 22/03/2014 13:33, Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this
week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if
not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK






Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply
see a tree or bush which is getting too big and they want to control
it.
If they could. They'll learn.

Our neighbour employs a professional to do her garden. He did exactly
the same
to her apple trees as Bob's plot holders. Instead of weeding, he
dumps earth on
top of the weeds in her small front garden.




Totally brainless, but utterly believable. No wonder gardening is not
a respected profession.


But that's not gardening, that's conning. And it's why so-called
'jobbing gardeners' can get a bad name - because of the few idiots who
think they can get someone to pay them for doing a bodged job - and they
do!




Oh, I agree entirely. The problem is, that's the only gardening many
people are aware of, so they don't value it, much less want it as a
career.

The sad thing is, with Bob's tale, that this person *wants* to garden
and has an allotment, but doesn't have the wit to ask for advice or read
a good book on the subject. He's lost his crop(s) for at least one
year. Hopefully, he'll realise his mistake and start learning.

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
gardening on heavy clay



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On 23/03/2014 14:38, Broadback wrote:
On 23/03/2014 11:24, Spider wrote:
On 23/03/2014 08:57, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week,
you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if
not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!


Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply
see a tree or bush which is getting too big and they want to control
it. If they could. They'll learn.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too
big, just getting going and beginning to show their best would have been
my comment. Not in any case did they need more than a light tidy up,
crossed branches etc, instead they got a total chop back to the main
framework, the single main stem in the case of the gooseberries, no
fruiting spurs left on the apple.




Mystifying, and very sad. Let's hope they have the sense to ask for
advice next time. There seems little point being too proud to ask for
help when you're surrounded by all the collective knowledge on an
allotment.

The neighbour to one side of me treats here garden as a house proud
woman would treat her house. There are three mature limes in he
garden,in the autumn she is outside collecting the leaves as they fall.
As regards pruning, nothing is allowed to grow "untidy". recently they
pruned an apple tree, by cutting it back to the trunk and three main
branches, mind you the apples are kleft on the tree to rot. The latest
thing they have pruned is a fir tree, that has been cut right back to a
few branches on the trunk, what will happen when it does nor shoot as
deciduous trees do?




Lady gardeners are generally tidier gardeners, but this lady sounds like
she has OCD. The fir tree will probably be pruned at ground level next.
Let's hope the apple tree fares better next time, although it's
clearly wasted on her.

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
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On 23/03/2014 15:23, Phil Cook wrote:
On 23/03/2014 11:24, Spider wrote:
On 23/03/2014 08:57, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this
week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if
not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?


Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too
big, just getting going and beginning to show their best would have been
my comment.


Mystifying, and very sad. Let's hope they have the sense to ask for
advice next time. There seems little point being too proud to ask for
help when you're surrounded by all the collective knowledge on an
allotment.


They will never ask if they haven't this time. The neighbourly thing to
do is to have a friendly word with them.




Or maybe offer them apples this autumn, because "they got the pruning
wrong this year". It might just start them thinking.

--
Spider.
On high ground in SE London
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On 2014-03-23 18:02:03 +0000, Spider said:

On 23/03/2014 14:38, Broadback wrote:
On 23/03/2014 11:24, Spider wrote:
On 23/03/2014 08:57, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week,
you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if
not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!


Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply
see a tree or bush which is getting too big and they want to control
it. If they could. They'll learn.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too
big, just getting going and beginning to show their best would have been
my comment. Not in any case did they need more than a light tidy up,
crossed branches etc, instead they got a total chop back to the main
framework, the single main stem in the case of the gooseberries, no
fruiting spurs left on the apple.



Mystifying, and very sad. Let's hope they have the sense to ask for
advice next time. There seems little point being too proud to ask for
help when you're surrounded by all the collective knowledge on an
allotment.

The neighbour to one side of me treats here garden as a house proud
woman would treat her house. There are three mature limes in he
garden,in the autumn she is outside collecting the leaves as they fall.
As regards pruning, nothing is allowed to grow "untidy". recently they
pruned an apple tree, by cutting it back to the trunk and three main
branches, mind you the apples are kleft on the tree to rot. The latest
thing they have pruned is a fir tree, that has been cut right back to a
few branches on the trunk, what will happen when it does nor shoot as
deciduous trees do?




Lady gardeners are generally tidier gardeners, but this lady sounds
like she has OCD. The fir tree will probably be pruned at ground level
next. Let's hope the apple tree fares better next time, although it's
clearly wasted on her.


Sounds like the woman I heard about on a radio programme. Her husband
has an allotment but she buys all her veg at the supermarket because
his have soil on them. Heaven alone knows who he gives them to! I did
know someone who wouldn't have fresh flowers in the house as they
dropped leaves or petals and whose hanging baskets contained silk
plants.
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"Spider" wrote in message ...

On 23/03/2014 14:38, Broadback wrote:
On 23/03/2014 11:24, Spider wrote:
On 23/03/2014 08:57, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this week,
you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if
not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?

The next thing is these mature plants be grubbed out because they have
stopped fruiting!


Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is. If they did, they would ask or learn first. They simply
see a tree or bush which is getting too big and they want to control
it. If they could. They'll learn.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too
big, just getting going and beginning to show their best would have been
my comment. Not in any case did they need more than a light tidy up,
crossed branches etc, instead they got a total chop back to the main
framework, the single main stem in the case of the gooseberries, no
fruiting spurs left on the apple.




Mystifying, and very sad. Let's hope they have the sense to ask for
advice next time. There seems little point being too proud to ask for
help when you're surrounded by all the collective knowledge on an
allotment.

The neighbour to one side of me treats here garden as a house proud
woman would treat her house. There are three mature limes in he
garden,in the autumn she is outside collecting the leaves as they fall.
As regards pruning, nothing is allowed to grow "untidy". recently they
pruned an apple tree, by cutting it back to the trunk and three main
branches, mind you the apples are kleft on the tree to rot. The latest
thing they have pruned is a fir tree, that has been cut right back to a
few branches on the trunk, what will happen when it does nor shoot as
deciduous trees do?




Lady gardeners are generally tidier gardeners, but this lady sounds like
she has OCD. The fir tree will probably be pruned at ground level next.
Let's hope the apple tree fares better next time, although it's
clearly wasted on her.

--
Spider.
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gardening on heavy clay
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On 23/03/2014 18:03, Spider wrote:
On 23/03/2014 15:23, Phil Cook wrote:
On 23/03/2014 11:24, Spider wrote:
On 23/03/2014 08:57, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Spider" wrote...

Bob Hobden wrote:
I've seen some horrendous "pruning" on our allotment site this
week, you
simply would not believe it, so there will be no fruit this year if
not
longer and it will take years for the plants to get back to the good
croppers they were, if they are not butchered again. The plot holders
concerned know at least two of us on the site know what we are doing,
pruning wise, so why won't people ask beforehand?


Because many people simply don't understand just how crucial some
pruning is.


In this case I would not have said any of these plants were getting too
big, just getting going and beginning to show their best would have
been
my comment.


Mystifying, and very sad. Let's hope they have the sense to ask for
advice next time. There seems little point being too proud to ask for
help when you're surrounded by all the collective knowledge on an
allotment.


They will never ask if they haven't this time. The neighbourly thing to
do is to have a friendly word with them.




Or maybe offer them apples this autumn, because "they got the pruning
wrong this year". It might just start them thinking.



Or it could be they just don't like apples
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