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Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?

Janer

It is invasive and vigorous. I would be inclined to grow it in a largish
isolated surrounded by concrete raised bed. The old walled garden ~2
acres not far from me was full of the stuff. It took them about three
years to dig it out to the point where it didn't return.

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On 08/06/2014 14:44, Martin Brown wrote:
On 07/06/2014 21:15, Janet wrote:


Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?

Janer

It is invasive and vigorous. I would be inclined to grow it in a largish
isolated surrounded by concrete raised bed. The old walled garden ~2
acres not far from me was full of the stuff. It took them about three
years to dig it out to the point where it didn't return.

But like docks it's not really invasive if it's not allowed to seed itself.
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On Sun, 8 Jun 2014 13:15:58 +0100, Janet wrote:

In article ,
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On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 21:15:26 +0100, Janet wrote:



Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?


Get into the habit of eating the leaf as well as the root and you
won't be able to grow enough!

Thanks, I will try that. Do you eat it raw or cooked?

Janet


I eat it raw or blended into a mayo sauce. Mum use to make it years
ago. It's a bit hot and very like Japanese Wasabi if you have ever
tried that.

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On 09/06/2014 09:34, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 14:44:36 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 07/06/2014 21:15, Janet wrote:


Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?

Janer

It is invasive and vigorous. I would be inclined to grow it in a largish
isolated surrounded by concrete raised bed. The old walled garden ~2
acres not far from me was full of the stuff. It took them about three
years to dig it out to the point where it didn't return.


Is that the Helmsley Walled Garden?


No another about 15 miles from there which has now become a small
specialist nursery - Dark Star Plants doing mostly black plants. They
have some old breed apples, pears, mulberries and other fruit trees that
came with the plot with fruit sold there and a nearby farm shop.

http://darkstarplants.co.uk/index.html

The walled garden along with a now derelict extensive glass house
provided the fruit and vegetables to Rounton Grange (now demolished).
This was a part of the Bell country estate bought by Sir Isaac Lowthian
Bell one of the original founding ironmasters of Middlesbrough.

It had been left wild for rearing pheasants for decades and the
horseradish had held its own against all comers! It was head height in
brambles and small saplings when they first started clearing it.

If you are interested in walled gardens I think the newish one at
Scampston is probably more interesting to visit than Helmsley especially
if you pick a weekend when they are hosting a plant fair.

http://www.scampston.co.uk/gardens.html

They have some very choice stuff on sale and will propagate rare plants
from their garden collection to order if you ask nicely. (for a price)

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In article ,
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On 09/06/2014 09:34, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 14:44:36 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 07/06/2014 21:15, Janet wrote:


Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?

Janer

It is invasive and vigorous. I would be inclined to grow it in a largish
isolated surrounded by concrete raised bed. The old walled garden ~2
acres not far from me was full of the stuff. It took them about three
years to dig it out to the point where it didn't return.


Is that the Helmsley Walled Garden?


No another about 15 miles from there which has now become a small
specialist nursery - Dark Star Plants doing mostly black plants. They
have some old breed apples, pears, mulberries and other fruit trees that
came with the plot with fruit sold there and a nearby farm shop.

http://darkstarplants.co.uk/index.html


ooooooh..... I foresee a route diversion and big spend ...

Thanks :-)

Janet
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On 09/06/2014 13:34, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 11:41:26 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 09/06/2014 09:34, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 14:44:36 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 07/06/2014 21:15, Janet wrote:


Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?

Janer

It is invasive and vigorous. I would be inclined to grow it in a largish
isolated surrounded by concrete raised bed. The old walled garden ~2
acres not far from me was full of the stuff. It took them about three
years to dig it out to the point where it didn't return.

Is that the Helmsley Walled Garden?


No another about 15 miles from there which has now become a small
specialist nursery - Dark Star Plants doing mostly black plants. They
have some old breed apples, pears, mulberries and other fruit trees that
came with the plot with fruit sold there and a nearby farm shop.

http://darkstarplants.co.uk/index.html


We will visit them when we are in England next month. Thanks!


It is about a mile off the A19 just south of Yarm. Not far away is
Mountgrace Priory (English Heritage/Nation Trust members free) which is
also worth a visit. Nearby Roots farm shop does good food too.

http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/mount-grace-priory/

Beningborough Hall (NT) on the A19 to York and RHS Harlow Carr near
Harrogate are also worth a look in summer.

http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/beningbrough-hall/

If you are interested in walled gardens I think the newish one at
Scampston is probably more interesting to visit than Helmsley especially
if you pick a weekend when they are hosting a plant fair.

http://www.scampston.co.uk/gardens.html

They have some very choice stuff on sale and will propagate rare plants
from their garden collection to order if you ask nicely. (for a price)


We've been to Scampston, once, and the Helmsley Walled Garden countless times.
They are at opposite ends of the walled garden spectrum.
http://www.helmsleywalledgarden.org.uk/
Helmsley WG belonged to Duncombe Park. The garden was abandoned in the 1920s
when the house was turned into a girls school. It was totally derelict until the
late 1990s, when a woman, now dead, started to restore it. The owners of
Duncombe Park gave it to the trust that manages the walled garden. The work is
done by amateurs with the help of one gardener. The gardener's job was
advertised this year. Salary Ł8.50/hour for a 40 hour week in summer and a 30
hour week in winter. If the salary is typical, it explains why young people are
not interested in a career in horticulture.


Garden "designers" get *much* bigger fees, but the people who know how
to plant and grow things tend to do rather poorly by comparison. Heck
they can't even get jobs on the likes of Gardeners World these days.

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On 09/06/2014 09:33, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 13:48:54 +0100, Spider wrote:

On 08/06/2014 10:11, stuart noble wrote:
On 08/06/2014 07:59, Peter James wrote:
Spider wrote:

On 07/06/2014 21:15, Janet wrote:


Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret
letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?

Janer




Mmm .. great stuff! I doubt it will ever take over the world, despite
its WMD status, but it is a tasty thug best confined to a large pot.

I stopped growing it the day I lifted a root and grated it to make a
sauce to accompany a roast joint of beef.

Never, ever again. It makes onions benign in comparison. People who
grow this stuff should be reported as an environmental hazard!

Peter


I remember grated horseradish being on the table in a German restaurant.
My mate thought it was cheese and decided a sandwich would be nice.....




Er... it doesn't *smell* a lot like cheese. Mind you, he'll probably
never know now. His nose, eyes and taste buds will be certifiably
uselesss. Poor man!


Along with the man who put sambal in his Dutch B&B breakfast yoghurt, thinking
it was raspberry jam.




Arrghh! Makes me glad I'm a fireman's daughter.
Mind you, yoghurt is meant to cool down spicy food but, perhaps, a
gallon of it would be more useful.

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On 09/06/2014 09:32, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 13:44:38 +0100, Spider wrote:

On 08/06/2014 07:59, Peter James wrote:
Spider wrote:

On 07/06/2014 21:15, Janet wrote:


Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?

Janer




Mmm .. great stuff! I doubt it will ever take over the world, despite
its WMD status, but it is a tasty thug best confined to a large pot.

I stopped growing it the day I lifted a root and grated it to make a
sauce to accompany a roast joint of beef.

Never, ever again. It makes onions benign in comparison. People who
grow this stuff should be reported as an environmental hazard!

Peter




LOL! You forgot the eye protection, did you?! It's good for clearing
out the sinus, though ;~).


but not to be sniffed at. Wimpish Germans put salt on horse radish, this
decreases the fiery effect.




I never knew that! I put salt on most (savoury) things, so I'm now
wondering if that makes me a wimp ...?

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On 10/06/2014 15:13, Spider wrote:

Arrghh! Makes me glad I'm a fireman's daughter.
Mind you, yoghurt is meant to cool down spicy food but, perhaps, a
gallon of it would be more useful.


She was only the fireman's daughter
But some like it hot

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Thank you for this thread,

I think I've read all of it, but have yet another horseradish-question :
HOW do you dig it out?

My horseradish grows in Normandy (F), all plants look very fine but this
is the first time, that I grow it, after a friend has given me some.
Poking around in the earth near the plants I come to the conclusion,
that I have planted them too close to each other. Being German (in
Normandy) I fear that a desperate attempt to get just one root out will
give my garden much resemblance to Juno-Beach or something... ;-)

Do you have a nice technique to teach me, so that I do not have to
sacrifice more plants than needed?

Thank You.

Michael.

On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 21:15:26 +0100,
Janet wrote:


Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?

Janer



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Michael Uplawski wrote:

I think I've read all of it, but have yet another horseradish-question :
HOW do you dig it out?


Pick a crown that you can see, dig it and the root out. The smallest
pieces remaining will start new plants. Just dig as much as you need,
keep the hazardous materials team on standby, grate, add vinegar to moisten
and you're done.

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 15:17:22 +0100, Spider wrote:

I never knew that! I put salt on most (savoury) things, so I'm now
wondering if that makes me a wimp ...?


Salt makes taste sensitivity low.

I gave up salt because of health reasons and within a few days
realised how many flavours I had been missing.

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Good evening,

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:21:52 +0100,
Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

Salt makes taste sensitivity low.


Not of Bavarian origin, I may not be an expert on the question of
“salt on horseradish” but I deem it probable that you mix up horseradish
(Meerrettich) and radish (Rettich).

To explain the difference, I may cite Rowan Atkinson from one of his
better sketches, as the latter of both is rather “medium-spiced” and
not really “fing” hot.

Radish with a little salt on bread and butter has a quality of its own.
It is not the same without the salt, but you can easily overdo it,
especially if this really delicious sandwich is accompanied by a fresh
beer of any arbitrary small brewery.

I want to mix horseradish instead with the «Crème Crue» (one kind of
Crème Fraiche), that we buy from a local farmer here in Lower Normandy
to accompany salads and the occasional barbecue.

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On 2014-06-10 14:17:22 +0000, Spider said:

On 09/06/2014 09:32, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jun 2014 13:44:38 +0100, Spider wrote:

On 08/06/2014 07:59, Peter James wrote:
Spider wrote:

On 07/06/2014 21:15, Janet wrote:


Something we enjoy a lot with beef, beetroot etc. So, I acquired a
small root, potted it up and it's growing away nicely.

The question is; is it a rampageous spreader I would regret letting
loose in the garden, or should it be held captive (perhaps in a large
buried pot)?

Janer




Mmm .. great stuff! I doubt it will ever take over the world, despite
its WMD status, but it is a tasty thug best confined to a large pot.

I stopped growing it the day I lifted a root and grated it to make a
sauce to accompany a roast joint of beef.

Never, ever again. It makes onions benign in comparison. People who
grow this stuff should be reported as an environmental hazard!

Peter




LOL! You forgot the eye protection, did you?! It's good for clearing
out the sinus, though ;~).


but not to be sniffed at. Wimpish Germans put salt on horse radish, this
decreases the fiery effect.




I never knew that! I put salt on most (savoury) things, so I'm now
wondering if that makes me a wimp ...?


Try a tiny dab of salt on melon. It brings the flavour out wonderfully.
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