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Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk
We are looking for people in Norfolk to share their passion and open their gardens, helping us raise money to improve later life for older people across Norfolk.
Opening your garden is a rewarding way to show off your hard work to an appreciative audience, whilst raising vital funds for a local charity. Your garden does not have to be huge. We’re looking for gardens of all shapes and sizes. From small urban spaces to traditional English country gardens, all have a part to play in Age UK Norfolk’s Open Garden Season. Please visit our website to find out mo Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk |
Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk
Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable In message , Age UK Norfolk writes We are looking for people in Norfolk to share their passion and open their gardens, helping us raise money to improve later life for older people across Norfolk. Opening your garden is a rewarding way to show off your hard work to an appreciative audience, whilst raising vital funds for a local charity. Your garden does not have to be huge. We’re looking for gardens of all shapes and sizes. From small urban spaces to traditional English country gardens, all have a part to play in Age UK Norfolk’s Open Garden Season. Please visit our website to find out mo 'Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk' (http://tinyurl.com/pkwd4pj) -- bert |
Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk
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Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable Saga Group is a business company, not a registered charity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_Group Though SAGA does operate (separately) several charities, all registered and audited by the Charities Commission Age UK IS a registered charity, number 1128267 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK and as such its charitable income, fundraising , expenditure and activities are controlled by and audited to the Charities Commission. You can check this at http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/find-charities/ Janet |
Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk
Sounds good: http://www.ageuk.org.uk/about-us/what-we-do/
-- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk
In message , Chris Hogg
writes On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:10:41 +0100, bert ] wrote: Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable What makes you say that? Experience The Wikipedia entry describes Age UK as being formed by a merger between Age Concern and Help The Aged, both respected charities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK That's what they would have you believe. But they are a business run for the benefit of themselves as opposed to shareholders. -- bert |
Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk
In message , Janet
writes In article , ] says... Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable Saga Group is a business company, not a registered charity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saga_Group Though SAGA does operate (separately) several charities, all registered and audited by the Charities Commission Age UK IS a registered charity, number 1128267 So what? They are a corporate organisation. Don't you understand the difference between a registered charity and being charitable? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK and as such its charitable income, fundraising , expenditure and activities are controlled by and audited to the Charities Commission. You can check this at Don't make me laugh. The charities Commission is a complete waste of time. http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/find-charities/ Janet Age UK take commission from companies in return for promoting their goods or services to vulnerable older people. -- bert |
Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk
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In message , Chris Hogg writes On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:10:41 +0100, bert ] wrote: Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable What makes you say that? Experience The Wikipedia entry describes Age UK as being formed by a merger between Age Concern and Help The Aged, both respected charities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK That's what they would have you believe. But they are a business run for the benefit of themselves as opposed to shareholders. Public financial audited records of AGE UK's expenditure and charity work do not support your claim. Janet |
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"bert" wrote
Chris Hogg writes bert wrote: Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable What makes you say that? Experience The Wikipedia entry describes Age UK as being formed by a merger between Age Concern and Help The Aged, both respected charities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK That's what they would have you believe. But they are a business run for the benefit of themselves as opposed to shareholders. I think I understand you point Bert. Some charities are now so big that they appear to us normal folk as a big business and are run on the same lines, their charitable works seem to pale into insignificance to their money making. Take the RHS, went to Wisley yesterday to get a specific plant they said on their web site they sold (no we don't but we can order it for you!) but the car park and overflow car park were full to bursting which must equate to a huge amount of entrance charges or annual fees on just one day. Yet they constantly ask for more money which begs the question where does it all go, I suspect salaries and expenses. The RNLI don't pay the sailors but their office staff, of which there are thousands, have a lovely new office with seriously subsidised food yet some Lifeboats have been told to buy their own equipment. Priorities seem a bit awry. It's why I give my money to the actual Lifeboat Station, then they keep it. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
Open your garden for Age UK Norfolk
In message , Chris Hogg
writes On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 23:20:16 +0100, bert ] wrote: In message , Chris Hogg writes On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:10:41 +0100, bert ] wrote: Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable What makes you say that? Experience The Wikipedia entry describes Age UK as being formed by a merger between Age Concern and Help The Aged, both respected charities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK That's what they would have you believe. But they are a business run for the benefit of themselves as opposed to shareholders. Oh well, at least when you get old and frail and in need of help and support, they won't be bothered by you then. Or perhaps you're just a troll. They certainly won't because they have nothing to offer other than rip off charges for poor quality services. -- bert |
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In message , Janet
writes In article , ] says... In message , Chris Hogg writes On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 16:10:41 +0100, bert ] wrote: Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable What makes you say that? Experience The Wikipedia entry describes Age UK as being formed by a merger between Age Concern and Help The Aged, both respected charities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK That's what they would have you believe. But they are a business run for the benefit of themselves as opposed to shareholders. Public financial audited records of AGE UK's expenditure and charity work do not support your claim. Janet Proves nor disproves anything -- bert |
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In message , Bob Hobden
writes "bert" wrote Chris Hogg writes bert wrote: Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable What makes you say that? Experience The Wikipedia entry describes Age UK as being formed by a merger between Age Concern and Help The Aged, both respected charities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK That's what they would have you believe. But they are a business run for the benefit of themselves as opposed to shareholders. I think I understand you point Bert. Some charities are now so big that they appear to us normal folk as a big business and are run on the same lines, their charitable works seem to pale into insignificance to their money making. Snip Remember this one? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...nsumer/1064312 7/Deaf-and-blind-102-year-old-pressurised-to-buy-scooter-by-Age-UK-mobili ty-firm.html -- bert |
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"Martin" wrote ...
"Bob Hobden" wrote: "bert" wrote Chris Hogg writes bert wrote: Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable What makes you say that? Experience The Wikipedia entry describes Age UK as being formed by a merger between Age Concern and Help The Aged, both respected charities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK That's what they would have you believe. But they are a business run for the benefit of themselves as opposed to shareholders. I think I understand you point Bert. Some charities are now so big that they appear to us normal folk as a big business and are run on the same lines, their charitable works seem to pale into insignificance to their money making. Some charities have overheads of 50%. There used to be a publicly accessible website where you could judge for your self before donating. http://www.charityfinancials.com/ Take the RHS, went to Wisley yesterday to get a specific plant they said on their web site they sold (no we don't but we can order it for you!) but the car park and overflow car park were full to bursting which must equate to a huge amount of entrance charges or annual fees on just one day. Yet they constantly ask for more money which begs the question where does it all go, I suspect salaries and expenses. The RNLI don't pay the sailors but their office staff, of which there are thousands, have a lovely new office with seriously subsidised food yet some Lifeboats have been told to buy their own equipment. Priorities seem a bit awry. It's why I give my money to the actual Lifeboat Station, then they keep it. I've always given to the actual station, but hadn't realised that it wasn't passed on to head office. The RNLI has more money than they can ever spend. A supplier of specialist equipment that the RNLI boats use told me that fact a couple of years ago. The lifeboat station can then use it for their station and boat, for better equipment for the crew, etc. Which is how he found out, when stations started ordering equipment direct because HO had not ordered any. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
... "Martin" wrote ... "Bob Hobden" wrote: "bert" wrote Chris Hogg writes bert wrote: Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable What makes you say that? Experience The Wikipedia entry describes Age UK as being formed by a merger between Age Concern and Help The Aged, both respected charities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK That's what they would have you believe. But they are a business run for the benefit of themselves as opposed to shareholders. I think I understand you point Bert. Some charities are now so big that they appear to us normal folk as a big business and are run on the same lines, their charitable works seem to pale into insignificance to their money making. Some charities have overheads of 50%. There used to be a publicly accessible website where you could judge for your self before donating. http://www.charityfinancials.com/ Take the RHS, went to Wisley yesterday to get a specific plant they said on their web site they sold (no we don't but we can order it for you!) but the car park and overflow car park were full to bursting which must equate to a huge amount of entrance charges or annual fees on just one day. Yet they constantly ask for more money which begs the question where does it all go, I suspect salaries and expenses. The RNLI don't pay the sailors but their office staff, of which there are thousands, have a lovely new office with seriously subsidised food yet some Lifeboats have been told to buy their own equipment. Priorities seem a bit awry. It's why I give my money to the actual Lifeboat Station, then they keep it. I've always given to the actual station, but hadn't realised that it wasn't passed on to head office. The RNLI has more money than they can ever spend. A supplier of specialist equipment that the RNLI boats use told me that fact a couple of years ago. The lifeboat station can then use it for their station and boat, for better equipment for the crew, etc. Which is how he found out, when stations started ordering equipment direct because HO had not ordered any. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK ================================================= I stopped subscribing to the RNLI when I was in the boat building industry, had my own boat and saw the terrible waste. If people only saw what I saw they would stop subscribing as I did. Mike .................................................. For those ex Royal Navy. http://angelradioisleofwight.moonfru...ive/4574468641 7.30 – 8.00 pm Wednesday 6th August 2014 ‘From the Crowe’s Nest’ |
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In message , Martin
writes On Sat, 2 Aug 2014 18:41:46 +0100, "Bob Hobden" wrote: "Martin" wrote ... "Bob Hobden" wrote: "bert" wrote Chris Hogg writes bert wrote: Age Uk are a commercial business much like SAGA making money out of older people whilst pretending to be charitable What makes you say that? Experience The Wikipedia entry describes Age UK as being formed by a merger between Age Concern and Help The Aged, both respected charities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_UK That's what they would have you believe. But they are a business run for the benefit of themselves as opposed to shareholders. I think I understand you point Bert. Some charities are now so big that they appear to us normal folk as a big business and are run on the same lines, their charitable works seem to pale into insignificance to their money making. Some charities have overheads of 50%. There used to be a publicly accessible website where you could judge for your self before donating. http://www.charityfinancials.com/ Take the RHS, went to Wisley yesterday to get a specific plant they said on their web site they sold (no we don't but we can order it for you!) but the car park and overflow car park were full to bursting which must equate to a huge amount of entrance charges or annual fees on just one day. Yet they constantly ask for more money which begs the question where does it all go, I suspect salaries and expenses. The RNLI don't pay the sailors but their office staff, of which there are thousands, have a lovely new office with seriously subsidised food yet some Lifeboats have been told to buy their own equipment. Priorities seem a bit awry. It's why I give my money to the actual Lifeboat Station, then they keep it. I've always given to the actual station, but hadn't realised that it wasn't passed on to head office. The RNLI has more money than they can ever spend. A supplier of specialist equipment that the RNLI boats use told me that fact a couple of years ago. The lifeboat station can then use it for their station and boat, for better equipment for the crew, etc. Which is how he found out, when stations started ordering equipment direct because HO had not ordered any. I was a bit shocked that one of the East Coast lifeboat stations had a new boat but couldn't use it until they had raised £250,000 for a launching vehicle. The problems began when the previous government with the best of intentions decided to tackle the perceived barrier to people being willing to become Trustees of charities because of a (false) belief that they would be automatically personally liable if things went wrong. They introduced the idea of Community Interest Companies (AKA Not for profit Companies except that they do make a profit). So Trustees were replaced by Directors and if you have directors then you must have a Chief Executive Officer. Obviously that makes you a very important person so you must have a large office, a PA, a company car, several direct reports and a large salary. In order to determine(increase) your salary you employ Remuneration Consultants just like proper companies do who of course only get more work by giving you the answer you want to hear - you are grossly underpaid compared to real directors and so you get a large increase and a six figure salary. To justify this even further you employ lots of staff. At the bottom end to keep every one thinking you are a charity you use "volunteers" but who are really just unpaid workers in your eyes to do as they're told which includes fund raising and to help your staff to control them you give them training in Managing Volunteers. I could go on but I think you should get my drift. -- bert |
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