On 2014-09-02 17:41:22 +0000, David Hill said:

On 02/09/2014 18:26, Chris Hogg wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014 17:21:41 +0100, Sacha
wrote:

On 2014-09-02 15:32:44 +0000, Phil Cook said:

On 02/09/2014 16:25, Bob Hobden wrote:

My problem is that this could all have been averted if they, the parents,
had talked it over with the hospital and told them their intentions instead
of just taking the child away without warning leaving the hospital with no
choice but to inform the Police.

+1

They were told - apparently - that if they failed to do as Southampton
Hospital told them to do, the child would be made a ward of court. They
appear to have been backed into a corner and their sole concern is
trying to save their son's life. Everyone else involved has jumped in
with hobnailed boots on. Arrestiing them and keeping them and all their
family away from their child is beyond cruel and imo, is wicked.

+1. Fortunately, the UK authorities do now seem to be seeing sense,
and backing off from their mindless, unfeeling and bureaucratic
stance. They may have had the little boy's best interests at heart, as
they saw it, but they've made the most appalling mess of the whole
thing.


And if he had died after his parents removed him from the hospital the
media would have been yelling "Why weren't they stopped?"
You would think that if they considered the hospital good enough to
carry out the operation, they would have stayed with them for after
care. or at least get a second opinion.

I doubt they had a choice as to where the op took place if it was on
the NHS and a specialist op, at that. I realise the hospital felt it
had to alert the authorities that the child had been removed from their
care but the CPS and police response was waaaaay over the top.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon

On 2014-09-03 20:21:00 +0000, Martin said:
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I am told that according to a video made by the father the two doctors treating
his son didn't agree on the treatment proposed in the hospital. In fact they
argued about it in front of him. They threatened to make the son a ward
of court
and said if they did he wouldn't be able to see his son again. He took his son
away from the hospital believing his son could have better treatment elsewhere.
Some other parents in the same situation would have done the same thing. It's
not obvious to me how he is going to pay for his son's treatment in Spain,
perhaps by suing those who blackened his name?

A lot of conflicting information is swirling around this case but I
read reports not dissimilar to what you write above. I hold to the
view that the parents were right to do what they thought best for their
child - you have to be in that situation to know what it feels like. I
understand, also, that the hospital had to report the removal of the
child while he was, ostensibly, under their care and in bad health.
What is not understandable or forgivable is that those parents have
been treated like criminals and kept from their tiny son who is in a
hospital where he knows nobody, doesn't speak the language and hasn't a
clue what is happening to him. That is dire. As to his treatment,
it's been offered in Czechoslovakia and a UK charity has offered to pay
for it. They were in Spain (apparently) to sell a property they owned
to fund the treatment.
--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 03/09/2014 22:54, Sacha wrote:
On 2014-09-03 20:21:00 +0000, Martin said:
snip

I am told that according to a video made by the father the two doctors
treating
his son didn't agree on the treatment proposed in the hospital. In
fact they
argued about it in front of him. They threatened to make the son a
ward of court
and said if they did he wouldn't be able to see his son again. He took
his son
away from the hospital believing his son could have better treatment
elsewhere.
Some other parents in the same situation would have done the same
thing. It's
not obvious to me how he is going to pay for his son's treatment in
Spain,
perhaps by suing those who blackened his name?

A lot of conflicting information is swirling around this case but I read
reports not dissimilar to what you write above. I hold to the view that
the parents were right to do what they thought best for their child -
you have to be in that situation to know what it feels like. I
understand, also, that the hospital had to report the removal of the
child while he was, ostensibly, under their care and in bad health. What
is not understandable or forgivable is that those parents have been
treated like criminals and kept from their tiny son who is in a hospital
where he knows nobody, doesn't speak the language and hasn't a clue what
is happening to him. That is dire. As to his treatment, it's been
offered in and a UK charity has offered to pay for it.
They were in Spain (apparently) to sell a property they owned to fund
the treatment.


Who knows the truth.
In one interview the father said they had sold the family home to pay
for treatment, then in another interview he said they were taking the
boy to (Poss.) Czechoslovakia but decided to visit their place in Spain
on the way.
I think there is a lot we don't know about the case, mistakes made on
both sides and over reaction possibly, but it is a child's life at risk.
Lets just hope that the outcome is successful.

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On 03/09/2014 22:54, Sacha wrote:
On 2014-09-03 20:21:00 +0000, Martin said:

snip

Who knows the truth.
In one interview the father said they had sold the family home to pay for treatment,
then in another interview he said they were taking the boy to (Poss.) Czechoslovakia but
decided to visit their place in Spain on the way.
I think there is a lot we don't know about the case, mistakes made on both sides and
over reaction possibly, but it is a child's life at risk.
Lets just hope that the outcome is successful.

The truth is that the 'authorities' are quite happy to ignore 1400
abused children but are 'big enough' and 'strong enough' to make life
hell for a family that are only trying to do their best for their son.
What this tells us is that those in power feel that they can rule our
lives completely if we have the temerity to disagree with their
'judgement'.

Ardmhor