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Calochortus unobtanium
The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 06/10/2014 21:31, Nick Maclaren wrote:
The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. Regards, Nick Maclaren. That's a bulb I've never come across before. Look interesting David @ a now damp side of Swansea Bay |
Calochortus unobtanium
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Nick Maclaren wrote: The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. That's a bulb I've never come across before. Look interesting Certainly does, just what I need for my S. facing sandy front garden. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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Bob Hobden wrote: "David" wrote .. The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. That's a bulb I've never come across before. Look interesting Certainly does, just what I need for my S. facing sandy front garden. It's very pretty, in a delicate way (like harebells). You can get both C. superbus and C. venustus from de Jager, as well as a yellow one and a couple of hybrids. But C. albus doesn't seem to be sold in Europe, nor are most of the others. One Dutch company does have a hybrid C. albus, but that is all. And, yes, I saw them in the wild when walking in California :-) Trieleia Queen Fabiola isn't far off the wild form, and is much cheaper. That's worth looking at, too. Camassia goes off much like daffodils, and I am no great fan of Eremeus. Erythronium might be worth a go. All of those come from the same terrain, and I saw all of them there. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Calochortus unobtanium
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Bob Hobden wrote: "David" wrote .. The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. That's a bulb I've never come across before. Look interesting Certainly does, just what I need for my S. facing sandy front garden. It's very pretty, in a delicate way (like harebells). You can get both C. superbus and C. venustus from de Jager, as well as a yellow one and a couple of hybrids. But C. albus doesn't seem to be sold in Europe, nor are most of the others. One Dutch company does have a hybrid C. albus, but that is all. And, yes, I saw them in the wild when walking in California :-) Trieleia Queen Fabiola isn't far off the wild form, and is much cheaper. That's worth looking at, too. Camassia goes off much like daffodils, and I am no great fan of Eremeus. Erythronium might be worth a go. All of those come from the same terrain, and I saw all of them there. Thanks Nick, when I get back from Bletchley Park tonight I'll do some searching. Already have an Erythronium but it's suffered due to the taking down of a large tree a few years ago, not that keen on Camassia, don't know why. I notice R V Rogers have some although not the one you are after... http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?linksource=frontpage -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 2014-10-06 21:10:49 +0000, David said:
On 06/10/2014 21:31, Nick Maclaren wrote: The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. Regards, Nick Maclaren. That's a bulb I've never come across before. Look interesting David @ a now damp side of Swansea Bay Have you got Gladiolus pulchella, David? There's something about those - delicacy of colouring probably - that made me think of them when I looked at the Calochortus. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
Calochortus unobtanium
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Martin wrote: The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. It's very pretty, in a delicate way (like harebells). You can get both C. superbus and C. venustus from de Jager, as well as a yellow one and a couple of hybrids. But C. albus doesn't seem to be sold in Europe, nor are most of the others. One Dutch company does have a hybrid C. albus, but that is all. And, yes, I saw them in the wild when walking in California :-) http://www.greengardenflowerbulbs.nl...pe=catalog&p=1 www.csweijers.nl/...//Catalogus_najaar_2013.pdf Have seven or eight Calochortus but not albus. Weijers' current catalogue is at http://www.csweijers.nl/web/Extra/Ca...oorjaar+2015+/ They all seem to be the same set of 2-3 species and 3-4 hybrids, plus mixtures. It could be that the others are very tricky, or it could be lack of initiative. If they ARE tricky, I would assume that too much wet is the problem, or possibly lack of summer heat. They grow naturally in very well- drained, poor soil where the summer is almost waterless and the sun is fairly hot. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 07/10/2014 09:18, sacha wrote:
Have you got Gladiolus pulchella, David? There's something about those - delicacy of colouring probably - that made me think of them when I looked at the Calochortus. Don't know it Sacha, and cant find it on line, do you have the right name? As for Calochortus, I was surprised to see quite a selection on E bay. David |
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Martin wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2014 11:43:51 +0100, David wrote: As for Calochortus, I was surprised to see quite a selection on E bay. The biggest selection that I could find in NL was 8. And, if it is the one I saw, a couple of those were mixtures of the others and about half of the remainder were varieties of the other half. There are 7 species native to the San Francisco Bay area alone. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 06/10/2014 21:31, Nick Maclaren wrote:
The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. Regards, Nick Maclaren. If you're wealthy you might be able to import them from the US. ($6 per bulb, $100 minimum order, $60 phytosanitary certificate.) http://www.telosrarebulbs.com/calochortus.html -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 2014-10-07 10:43:51 +0000, David said:
On 07/10/2014 09:18, sacha wrote: Have you got Gladiolus pulchella, David? There's something about those - delicacy of colouring probably - that made me think of them when I looked at the Calochortus. Don't know it Sacha, and cant find it on line, do you have the right name? As for Calochortus, I was surprised to see quite a selection on E bay. David Der - senility must be setting in!! Gladiolus papilio! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 06/10/2014 21:31, Nick Maclaren wrote:
The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. Regards, Nick Maclaren. No Calochortus albus, Nick, but have you seen RV Roger's range of Calochortus? http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?l...arch&x=0 &y=0 -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
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Spider wrote: No Calochortus albus, Nick, but have you seen RV Roger's range of Calochortus? http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?l...arch&x=0 &y=0 Yes, though not on that site. That is more-or-less the standard one (de Jager has "Burgundy" instead of "Cupido", but is otherwise the same). I don't know how many of them would grow outside in the UK, but I suspect that many would on a raised bed or large pot of extremely well-drained soil. There are apparently others that can take clay meadows. And many of them are VERY attractive! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calochortus Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 08/10/2014 15:01, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Spider wrote: No Calochortus albus, Nick, but have you seen RV Roger's range of Calochortus? http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?l...arch&x=0 &y=0 Yes, though not on that site. That is more-or-less the standard one (de Jager has "Burgundy" instead of "Cupido", but is otherwise the same). I don't know how many of them would grow outside in the UK, but I suspect that many would on a raised bed or large pot of extremely well-drained soil. There are apparently others that can take clay meadows. And many of them are VERY attractive! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calochortus Regards, Nick Maclaren. Oooh! They're gorgeous! Doubt I'd be able to grow them on my heavy clay soil but I dream of an alpine cold frame (mainly to keep them dry), and that would give me the impetus to try. You're right, though: they're not seen for sale very often. -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
Calochortus unobtanium
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Spider wrote: No Calochortus albus, Nick, but have you seen RV Roger's range of Calochortus? http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?l...arch&x=0 &y=0 Yes, though not on that site. That is more-or-less the standard one (de Jager has "Burgundy" instead of "Cupido", but is otherwise the same). I don't know how many of them would grow outside in the UK, but I suspect that many would on a raised bed or large pot of extremely well-drained soil. There are apparently others that can take clay meadows. And many of them are VERY attractive! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calochortus Oooh! They're gorgeous! Doubt I'd be able to grow them on my heavy clay soil but I dream of an alpine cold frame (mainly to keep them dry), and that would give me the impetus to try. You're right, though: they're not seen for sale very often. Apparently, some might handle it. They are reputed to be tricky, which is probably why they aren't available, but a lot of such plants are quite happy under some conditions. I discovered that Cyclamen coum loves heavy rain shadow by accident! http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pb...rowCalochortus At best, they would be risky, but success would definitely pay that back! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 08/10/2014 15:52, Martin wrote:
On Wed, 08 Oct 2014 14:46:33 +0100, Spider wrote: On 06/10/2014 21:31, Nick Maclaren wrote: The main one I missed was Calochortus albus, but why are they so unobtainable in Europe? Only 3-4 seem to be available at all, and I did a Web search for Calochortus albus in both the UK and Netherlands. But there are quite a few, and most are very nice bulbs for dry locations. Regards, Nick Maclaren. No Calochortus albus, Nick, but have you seen RV Roger's range of Calochortus? http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?l...arch&x=0 &y=0 AFAIR R V Rogers gets/got his bulbs from a grower in Voorhout, which is a couple of miles from where we live. Which grower? I'd guess Theo de Boer who registered himself as a grower of some the Calochortus with the KAVB. http://www.kavb.nl/ I don't find his registration with their search tool. http://www.kavb.nl/zoekresultaten http://www.jpdegoede.nl/ is registered as a grower of Calochortus and his website links to https://store.brentandbeckysbulbs.com/ in Gloucester.There you find https://store.brentandbeckysbulbs.co...tus&x= 12&y=5 Compare Brent & Becky, R V Roger's with Weijers in Hillegom http://www.csweijers.nl/web/Assortim...2075&focus=ctv Calochortus Cupid Calochortus Golden Orb Calochortus Superbus Calochortus Symphony --- not on Roger's list. Calochortus Venustus Calochortus Violet Queen You can add this one to the list http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Secret-Orch...4 634.c0.m322 |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 08/10/2014 15:43, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Spider wrote: No Calochortus albus, Nick, but have you seen RV Roger's range of Calochortus? http://www.rvroger.co.uk/index.php?l...arch&x=0 &y=0 Yes, though not on that site. That is more-or-less the standard one (de Jager has "Burgundy" instead of "Cupido", but is otherwise the same). I don't know how many of them would grow outside in the UK, but I suspect that many would on a raised bed or large pot of extremely well-drained soil. There are apparently others that can take clay meadows. And many of them are VERY attractive! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calochortus Oooh! They're gorgeous! Doubt I'd be able to grow them on my heavy clay soil but I dream of an alpine cold frame (mainly to keep them dry), and that would give me the impetus to try. You're right, though: they're not seen for sale very often. Apparently, some might handle it. They are reputed to be tricky, which is probably why they aren't available, but a lot of such plants are quite happy under some conditions. I discovered that Cyclamen coum loves heavy rain shadow by accident! http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pb...rowCalochortus At best, they would be risky, but success would definitely pay that back! Regards, Nick Maclaren. Just had a quick peep at that link (thanks for that), but will read it in earnest tomorrow. It's never going to be easy, but might be worth a try if I can find plants to experiment on. If only they were as easy as Cyclamen coum! I haven't tried them in a rain shadow yet, so that's one to try. It's time I tried them from seed, as I have with C.hederifolium with great success. I love them to bits! One can't have too many:~). -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
Calochortus unobtanium
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Spider wrote: Just had a quick peep at that link (thanks for that), but will read it in earnest tomorrow. It's never going to be easy, but might be worth a try if I can find plants to experiment on. If only they were as easy as Cyclamen coum! I haven't tried them in a rain shadow yet, so that's one to try. It's time I tried them from seed, as I have with C.hederifolium with great success. I love them to bits! One can't have too many:~). Yes. I discovered that C. coum would actually self-sow and establish a carpet under those conditions - which I hadn't expected. Unfortunately, all information is Calochortus are trickier :-( Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Calochortus unobtanium
On 2014-10-08 09:36:24 +0000, Martin said:
On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:53:19 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 2014-10-07 10:43:51 +0000, David said: On 07/10/2014 09:18, sacha wrote: Have you got Gladiolus pulchella, David? There's something about those - delicacy of colouring probably - that made me think of them when I looked at the Calochortus. Don't know it Sacha, and cant find it on line, do you have the right name? As for Calochortus, I was surprised to see quite a selection on E bay. David Der - senility must be setting in!! Gladiolus papilio! So what was Google finding? I found a Dutch book with bulb articles and prices printed in circa 1920, whilst looking for unobtanium rarus good beer in the Netherlands. I don't know what Google found but it wasn't my mistaken one! ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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