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trees and brushes which resist chemicals
Hi there
November approaches and we have decided where to put new trees and brushes along our hedges in the north-west and north-east of our terrain. These hedges mark the borderline between the past and the future, death and life, chemical farming and my kind of gardening. The brushes which survived until now are hollies (which we like very much) and whin (which we tolerate). The rest is in poor condition or dead. My main worry are the high trees that should grow here and there in the hedge, but do not, currently. I will give order to some young oaks to join the frontier but do not feel good about that. Have you any experience to share on the subject? I know, it would be an advantage, if I knew the kind of filth that my dearest neighbour is using in such abundance that the hedges die, but the latest intelligence shows these farmers do no longer decide themselves about the moment to spread their Agent Orange, nor “flavour” or quantiteis. I need the toughest plants that I can get. TY, Michael -- Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France GnuPG/OpenPGP 4096R/3216CF02 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] sub 4096R/2751C550 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] |
trees and brushes which resist chemicals
On 11/10/2014 12:11, Michael Uplawski wrote:
Hi there November approaches and we have decided where to put new trees and brushes along our hedges in the north-west and north-east of our terrain. These hedges mark the borderline between the past and the future, death and life, chemical farming and my kind of gardening. The brushes which survived until now are hollies (which we like very much) and whin (which we tolerate). The rest is in poor condition or dead. My main worry are the high trees that should grow here and there in the hedge, but do not, currently. I will give order to some young oaks to join the frontier but do not feel good about that. Have you any experience to share on the subject? I know, it would be an advantage, if I knew the kind of filth that my dearest neighbour is using in such abundance that the hedges die, but the latest intelligence shows these farmers do no longer decide themselves about the moment to spread their Agent Orange, nor “flavour” or quantiteis. I need the toughest plants that I can get. TY, Michael As you clearly know, there are no guarantees with this type of planting. However, my advice would be to look at the hedgerows which surround this farm, see what is doing well, and plant those shrubs/trees in sufficient numbers that something is bound to survive. For a dense hedge, it is often advised to plant two staggered rows of the chosen plant(s). If you have space, you may find planting three staggered rows will give you a denser hedge sooner, creating a wider buffer zone. Since 'your' farmer is using noxious chemicals, I assume he's not keeping cattle or other livestock(?), so you could try Yew (Taxus baccata) nearest his land. (Yew is poisonous, so you ought not to use it near livestock). Also try Hawthorn (Crataegus monogyna) and Blackthorn (Prunus spinosa). Since it already does well for you, and you like it, add more holly. You could even allow one to grow into a tree; likewise the Hawthorn. It may be worth trying Berberis. There are evergreen and deciduous forms. Whatever you plant, you will really need to buy bare root to get sufficient quantities at a reasonable price. Have a look at some of the classified ads in the back of gardening magazines, or Google "hedging". I'm sure if you contact a good hedging nursery, they will be able to tell you what will withstand poisons better than most, as well as what will do well in your area. -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
trees and brushes which resist chemicals
On 11/10/2014 13:24, Spider wrote:
On 11/10/2014 12:11, Michael Uplawski wrote: Hi there November approaches and we have decided where to put new trees and brushes along our hedges in the north-west and north-east of our terrain. These hedges mark the borderline between the past and the future, death and life, chemical farming and my kind of gardening. The brushes which survived until now are hollies (which we like very much) and whin (which we tolerate). The rest is in poor condition or dead. My main worry are the high trees that should grow here and there in the hedge, but do not, currently. I will give order to some young oaks to join the frontier but do not feel good about that. Have you any experience to share on the subject? I know, it would be an advantage, if I knew the kind of filth that my dearest neighbour is using in such abundance that the hedges die, but the latest intelligence shows these farmers do no longer decide themselves about the moment to spread their Agent Orange, nor “flavour” or quantiteis. I need the toughest plants that I can get. TY, Michael As you clearly know, there are no guarantees with this type of planting. However, my advice would be to look at the hedgerows which surround this farm, see what is doing well, and plant those shrubs/trees in sufficient numbers that something is bound to survive. For a dense hedge, it is often advised to plant two staggered rows of the chosen plant(s). If you have space, you may find planting three staggered rows will give you a denser hedge sooner, creating a wider buffer zone. Since 'your' farmer is using noxious chemicals, I assume he's not keeping cattle or other livestock(?), so you could try Yew (Taxus baccata) nearest his land. (Yew is poisonous, so you ought not to use it near livestock). Also try Hawthorn (Crataegus monogyna) and Blackthorn (Prunus spinosa). Since it already does well for you, and you like it, add more holly. You could even allow one to grow into a tree; likewise the Hawthorn. It may be worth trying Berberis. There are evergreen and deciduous forms. Whatever you plant, you will really need to buy bare root to get sufficient quantities at a reasonable price. Have a look at some of the classified ads in the back of gardening magazines, or Google "hedging". I'm sure if you contact a good hedging nursery, they will be able to tell you what will withstand poisons better than most, as well as what will do well in your area. Out of interest, what crops is your neighbor spraying? |
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trees and brushes which resist chemicals
"Michael Uplawski" wrote
November approaches and we have decided where to put new trees and brushes along our hedges in the north-west and north-east of our terrain. These hedges mark the borderline between the past and the future, death and life, chemical farming and my kind of gardening. The brushes which survived until now are hollies (which we like very much) and whin (which we tolerate). The rest is in poor condition or dead. My main worry are the high trees that should grow here and there in the hedge, but do not, currently. I will give order to some young oaks to join the frontier but do not feel good about that. Have you any experience to share on the subject? I know, it would be an advantage, if I knew the kind of filth that my dearest neighbour is using in such abundance that the hedges die, but the latest intelligence shows these farmers do no longer decide themselves about the moment to spread their Agent Orange, nor “flavour” or quantiteis. I need the toughest plants that I can get. So holly has survived, it's an evergreen with rather tough leaves so look for other plants with similar leaves. Escallonia is one I can think of. Yew might work and although it's not good for cattle that is his problem, he would have to put another fence away from yours to keep them away from it. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
trees and brushes which resist chemicals
Good evening,
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 14:06:43 +0100, David wrote: Out of interest, what crops is your neighbor spraying? Mainly mais as silage fodder for his kettle. It is the same big field which adjoins our own land on two sides. Last year, half of the surface was used for wheat. At the moment, a green fertilizer (either mustard or rapseed) is starting to grow, as is now an obligation in France, as you are no longer allowed to let the soil uncovered during winter. Michael -- Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France GnuPG/OpenPGP 4096R/3216CF02 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] sub 4096R/2751C550 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] |
trees and brushes which resist chemicals
On 11/10/2014 22:40, Michael Uplawski wrote:
Good evening, On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 14:06:43 +0100, David wrote: Out of interest, what crops is your neighbor spraying? Mainly mais as silage fodder for his kettle. It is the same big field which adjoins our own land on two sides. Last year, half of the surface was used for wheat. At the moment, a green fertilizer (either mustard or rapseed) is starting to grow, as is now an obligation in France, as you are no longer allowed to let the soil uncovered during winter. Michael Chances are he is spraying Glyphosate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate |
trees and brushes which resist chemicals
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:24:36 +0100, Spider wrote:
On 11/10/2014 12:11, Michael Uplawski wrote: However, my advice would be to look at the hedgerows which surround this farm, see what is doing well, and plant those shrubs/trees in sufficient numbers that something is bound to survive. An interesting suggestion. I will take a look and compare to the other hedges in the neighbourhood. For a dense hedge, it is often advised to plant two staggered rows of the chosen plant(s). If you have space, you may find planting three staggered rows will give you a denser hedge sooner, creating a wider buffer zone. There will be two rows initially, with an overall depth of about five to six meters, that I like to “fill up”, subsequently. My wife prefers to leave a path in the middle but I would rather let those hedges live their life and give up the extra space. Since 'your' farmer is using noxious chemicals, I assume he's not keeping cattle or other livestock(?). Right. so you could try Yew (Taxus baccata) nearest his land. (Yew is poisonous, so you ought not to use it near livestock). I will probably exclude Yew, as there may be chickens in the near future, alternating in different “parks” (cannot find an English equivalent for the free space outside the coop). Also try Hawthorn (Crataegus monogyna) and Blackthorn We already have some hawthorn-trees and even a smaller exemplary close to the “death-zone”. Blackthorn is frequent in our region. I will ask for both when I buy new plants. I'm sure if you contact a good hedging nursery, they will be able to tell you what will withstand poisons better than most, as well as what will do well in your area. Yes I will do that and thanks for naming the species above. Michael -- Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France GnuPG/OpenPGP 4096R/3216CF02 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] sub 4096R/2751C550 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] |
trees and brushes which resist chemicals
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Janet wrote: In article , says... Since 'your' farmer is using noxious chemicals, I assume he's not keeping cattle or other livestock(?) so you could try Yew (Taxus baccata) nearest his land. (Yew is poisonous, so you ought not to use it near livestock). That is extremely poor advice IMO. No farmer is going to welcome the planting of a yew hedge on his boundary. In later years the neighbour (or a different owner) may plant some crop where livestock are turned in to forage the leftovers; or rotate the land use to grazing pasture which he rents out. It depends on how much of a Clue he has. Ones that know about the actual risk (as distinct from the hysteria) won't care. There is plenty of pasture with yew in their hedges, and I have seen it growing as a tree in the middle of some. The only real danger is if the yew is cut and left lying (because it becomes slightly less bitter) and the stock don't have enough good pasture or browsing. So it's the bad farmers that have the trouble - and, of course, they are the ones that blame everything except themselves. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
trees and brushes which resist chemicals
Good afternoon,
On Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:01:49 +0100 (BST), Nick Maclaren wrote: In later years the neighbour (or a different owner) may plant some crop where livestock are turned in to forage the leftovers; or rotate the land use to grazing pasture which he rents out. It depends on how much of a Clue he has. Ones that know about the actual risk (as distinct from the hysteria) won't care. Though you have no reason to give much importance to my statements, I share Nick's point of view. As I am new in about everything and everywhere, it is reassuring to be confronted in this thread with species that appear to be downright native in this part of Normandy (« if (m) » is “yew” is „Eibe (f)“, as we are about it). The only real danger is if the yew is cut and left lying (because it becomes slightly less bitter) and the stock don't have enough good pasture or browsing. As far as I knew chicken, they do not care much about anything and leave behind a stony skeleton where there was green pastures weeks before. I do not plan to leave them in the same park for such a long time, but fear however that anything that leaves a yew, will sooner or later be absorbed by a chicken. So it's the bad farmers that have the trouble - and, of course, they are the ones that blame everything except themselves. This could be a signature or an email-footer. Cheerio, Michael Regards, Nick Maclaren. -- Location: Lower Normandy (Orne), France GnuPG/OpenPGP 4096R/3216CF02 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] sub 4096R/2751C550 2013-11-15 [expires: 2015-11-15] |
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