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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:57:28 -0000, Grenou iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

[KaasKop]
It is still used in Germany, although many pronounce the cheese in
German: „Käskopp� for the singular and in northern Germany, they even
alter the �head� as in their local idiom, when referring to the Dutch in
plural: „Käsköpp�.


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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:57:28 -0000, Grenou iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

[KaasKop]
It is still used in Germany, although many pronounce the cheese in
German: „Käskopp� for the singular and in northern Germany, they even
alter the �head� as in their local idiom, when referring to the Dutch in
plural: „Käsköpp�.


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I'll stay at the top this time..

Thanks for the explanation :-)
German was not my best subject at school, but even I can translate all that
;-)

Grenou
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:57:28 -0000, Grenou iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

[KaasKop]
It is still used in Germany, although many pronounce the cheese in
German: „Käskopp� for the singular and in northern Germany, they even
alter the �head� as in their local idiom, when referring to the Dutch in
plural: „Käsköpp�.


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It's best to stay on top here

Mike

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advert soon, watch this space.





"Grenou" wrote in message ...

I'll stay at the top this time..

Thanks for the explanation :-)
German was not my best subject at school, but even I can translate all that
;-)

Grenou
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:57:28 -0000, Grenou iamhere@mostofthetime wrote:

[KaasKop]
It is still used in Germany, although many pronounce the cheese in
German: „Käskopp� for the singular and in northern Germany, they even
alter the �head� as in their local idiom, when referring to the Dutch in
plural: „Käsköpp�.


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"Michael Uplawski" wrote

[Access to Usenet]

I am accessing usenet, posting on and reading newsgroups since around
1996. Which does not mean a lot, as you can do an arbitrary amount of
bungling during your “35 years� of experience in any job. But I have
made observations and even got to understanding “technology�.

The (declared) ability and (declared) determination of any service to
render your experience with their use of a *well-defined technology*
more comfortable should not influence your decision to pay them or not.
The technology in this case is usenet or the uses of the nntp-protocol,
more exactly (anyone still on uucp ? Thanks. Thought so.)

I am using several open and free news-services (branching to an
arbitrary number of news-servers) simultaneously:

open-news-network
netfront
aioe
solani
eternal-september

Anything which is not open-news-network just adds content in case that
the previous cannot. If they work and provide me with news-articles, any
one of these services does the *same job*.

The fact that some more or less eagerly respond to complaints about
their users “spamming� or “trolling� decides about their position in my
list but not more.

If there still are trollposts to handle, filtering is done by me alone
as I deem nobody else capable to decide in my place what I consider spam
or trolling. I won't explain all of this in detail, as, in addition, I
am not familiar with Windows, these days and wishing to control your own
machine appears to become unpopular with today's Internet-users.

I only say, that the simple use of free and open news-services creates
no problem, nor does it AFAIS and a priori impose constraints for my
access to nntp-newsgroups.

My former internet access-providers gave me Usenet-access and all have
stopped to do so. All of these services were flawed in one way or other.
I appreciate, that nowadays, the best Usenet-services are offered by
people who really *want* to do the job rather than add Usenet as a
gimmick to their produce.

I cannot say all that in fewer words. Sorry.


Has anyone here tried these suggested on another Ng......
http://www.teranews.com/
It's a US$3.95 one off charge then free.

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Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:19:15 -0000, Janet wrote:

Why do people think they have to use their ISP's provided
service(s)
for mail, news, "home page", WHY?

You made me think RIP zetnet and its excellent newsreader (iirc you
were one of the zetnuts)

Naw, my internet claim to fame is being a Founder Member of Demon
Internet.

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Cheers
Dave.

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:13:58 +0100, Michael Uplawski wrote:

Getting a domain name and cheap/free/included mail service is
probably what everyone should do. You are then no longer tied (via
an
ISP based email address) to your ISP.

But now you do not talk about usenet and would anyway be in trouble
getting usenet-access into the context... ;-)

Access, probably but admin. ie when the usenet service provider needs
to contact you a couple of years after you have signed up and you
have switched ISP, having "fixed" email address is helpful.

--
Cheers
Dave.

"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...
"Michael Uplawski" wrote

[Access to Usenet]

I am accessing usenet, posting on and reading newsgroups since around
1996. Which does not mean a lot, as you can do an arbitrary amount of
bungling during your "35 years" of experience in any job. But I have
made observations and even got to understanding "technology".

The (declared) ability and (declared) determination of any service to
render your experience with their use of a *well-defined technology*
more comfortable should not influence your decision to pay them or not.
The technology in this case is usenet or the uses of the nntp-protocol,
more exactly (anyone still on uucp ? Thanks. Thought so.)

I am using several open and free news-services (branching to an
arbitrary number of news-servers) simultaneously:

open-news-network
netfront
aioe
solani
eternal-september

Anything which is not open-news-network just adds content in case that
the previous cannot. If they work and provide me with news-articles, any
one of these services does the *same job*.

The fact that some more or less eagerly respond to complaints about
their users "spamming" or "trolling" decides about their position in my
list but not more.

If there still are trollposts to handle, filtering is done by me alone
as I deem nobody else capable to decide in my place what I consider spam
or trolling. I won't explain all of this in detail, as, in addition, I
am not familiar with Windows, these days and wishing to control your own
machine appears to become unpopular with today's Internet-users.

I only say, that the simple use of free and open news-services creates
no problem, nor does it AFAIS and a priori impose constraints for my
access to nntp-newsgroups.

My former internet access-providers gave me Usenet-access and all have
stopped to do so. All of these services were flawed in one way or other.
I appreciate, that nowadays, the best Usenet-services are offered by
people who really *want* to do the job rather than add Usenet as a
gimmick to their produce.

I cannot say all that in fewer words. Sorry.


Has anyone here tried these suggested on another Ng......
http://www.teranews.com/
It's a US$3.95 one off charge then free.

Stop trying to avoid that small amount of 10 euros a year.
And use News.individual.net. You'll be glad if you do. Trust me on this.

Just bite the bullet and use NIN for Usenet access.

"Martin" wrote in message d Wine

But then, your statement have to be disjoint. ;-)

Blame the wine.


My grandma made the best potato-salad.
... ever.

(Not on Youtube)

At the tome mine made the best Yorkshire Pudding :-)
--

Martin in Zuid Holland


I make a very good Yorkshire pudding although I hesitate to say it's the
best in the world but it's close.
It rises through the next shelf of my oven.

On 27/10/2014 17:39, Bob Hobden wrote:
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and
suggesting we all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99
per month!). Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK

So are Demon. (As of sometime tomorrow, following an announcement
yesterday.)

http://help.demon.net/announcements/...-news-service/


--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On 30/10/2014 23:36, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
On 27/10/2014 17:39, Bob Hobden wrote:
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and
suggesting we all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99
per month!). Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK

So are Demon. (As of sometime tomorrow, following an announcement
yesterday.)

http://help.demon.net/announcements/...-news-service/


Just changing the subject line.

--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

"Christina Websell" wrote

Has anyone here tried these suggested on another Ng......
http://www.teranews.com/
It's a US$3.95 one off charge then free.

Stop trying to avoid that small amount of 10 euros
a year.
And use News.individual.net. You'll be glad if you do. Trust me on this.

Just bite the bullet and use NIN for Usenet access.

Yes I already do, have done for years, but they don't do binary groups.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 23:42:28 Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:

On 30/10/2014 23:36, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
On 27/10/2014 17:39, Bob Hobden wrote:
Just had a mail to tell me BT are no longer providing Usenet access,
turns out they had a tie up with Giganews which is finishing, and
suggesting we all migrate to Giganews directly (from US$4.99 to US$29.99
per month!). Makes News.individual.net look cheap.

-- Regards
Bob Hobden
Posting to this Newsgroup
from the W.of London. UK

So are Demon. (As of sometime tomorrow, following an announcement
yesterday.)


http://help.demon.net/announcements/...mon-usenet-new
s-service/


Just changing the subject line.

But not the references!

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:30:49 Martin wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:42:43 -0000, "Christina Websell"
wrote:


"Martin" wrote in message d Wine

But then, your statement have to be disjoint. ;-)

Blame the wine.


My grandma made the best potato-salad.
... ever.

(Not on Youtube)

At the time mine made the best Yorkshire Pudding :-)

I make a very good Yorkshire pudding although I hesitate to say it's the
best in the world but it's close.
It rises through the next shelf of my oven.

My wife makes the best YP on the world.
There used to be a Scarborough hotel chef who in winter toured mainland
European
holiday exhibitions as a participant on the Yorkshire part of the British
stands. He really made the best YPs ever. On the strength of his YPs, my Dutch
neighbours spent two weeks on a caravan holiday in the cold and rain in
Scotland one August.

Perhaps they should have spent the two weeks in Yorkshire. Anyone could
tell you that it is wet and cold in Scotland in August. And foggy. My
wife says so.

Can't quite see the logic of going to Scotland because they like
Yorkshire pudding.

David

--
David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK

"Bob Hobden" wrote
Has anyone here tried these suggested on another Ng......
http://www.teranews.com/
It's a US$3.95 one off charge then free.



After a lot of research I've decided to try Teranews at US $3.95 one off
payment and so far it's doing OK.
I shall continue to use NIN for non-binary Ngs.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK