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In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

Other than Goggle Gropes, of course.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
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In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

Other than Goggle Gropes, of course.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I don't think so, but I've seen my posts in any group I post to via NIN
available in Google archives so why would they need to provide an archive
themselves?
Or maybe they do, you could always ask them. If you e-mail them with a
question you don't get an automated response, you get a real person replying
;-)

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On 01/11/14 10:48, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

I don't know of any that provide archives as such but I understand that
some commercial services have very long retention times which might do
what you want.


--
Bernard Peek


In search of cognoscenti (again)

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Nick Maclaren wrote:

In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

Other than Goggle Gropes, of course.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.
Try the German server "Individual.new.NET" :

http://news.individual.net at

A retention period of 584 days.

Peter

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"Peter James" wrote in message
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Try the German server "Individual.new.NET" :

http://news.individual.net at

A retention period of 584 days.


Just fine - only if you do not want binary gropes (:-)

Pete (another !)

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In article ,
Bernard Peek wrote:

In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

I don't know of any that provide archives as such but I understand that
some commercial services have very long retention times which might do
what you want.

Thanks, but that's NOT what I want. I am far more interested in
being able to look up postings of the 1980s. Even Goggle Gropes
doesn't go back before 1981, though :-(


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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On 02/11/14 10:16, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Bernard Peek wrote:

In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

I don't know of any that provide archives as such but I understand that
some commercial services have very long retention times which might do
what you want.

Thanks, but that's NOT what I want. I am far more interested in
being able to look up postings of the 1980s. Even Goggle Gropes
doesn't go back before 1981, though :-(

Well you could try nntp.oldnews.net if you have enough patience. It's
releasing Darpanet posts day-by-day. It's quite possible that someone
somewhere, probably a university, has kept their archives but I don't
know of any that are accessible to the public. If you can tell them
precisely what you are looking for your local library may have access to
academic sources that can't be reached in any other way,

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In article ,
Bernard Peek wrote:

In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

I don't know of any that provide archives as such but I understand that
some commercial services have very long retention times which might do
what you want.

Thanks, but that's NOT what I want. I am far more interested in
being able to look up postings of the 1980s. Even Goggle Gropes
doesn't go back before 1981, though :-(

Well you could try nntp.oldnews.net if you have enough patience. It's
releasing Darpanet posts day-by-day. It's quite possible that someone
somewhere, probably a university, has kept their archives but I don't
know of any that are accessible to the public. If you can tell them
precisely what you are looking for your local library may have access to
academic sources that can't be reached in any other way,

Thanks very much. It's actually nntp.olduse.net.

I am pretty certain that no university has kept archives, because
quite a lot of us tried to interest TPTB in such things, but the
attitude was "Who gives a damn about the weebling of geeks?
Anyway, computing isn't interesting enough to be worth keeping
detailed records of." Seriously :-(


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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On 01/11/2014 10:48, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

Have you tried newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/

I haven't tried its search facilities (I know of it because it comes up
in Google web searches), but if they aren't up to scratch you could try
a Google web search on the domain.


Other than Goggle Gropes, of course.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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On 02/11/2014 12:17, Nick Maclaren wrote:
"Who gives a damn about the weebling of geeks?

Thirty three years ago.

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In article ,
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
On 01/11/2014 10:48, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

Have you tried newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/

I haven't tried its search facilities (I know of it because it comes up
in Google web searches), but if they aren't up to scratch you could try
a Google web search on the domain.

No, I hadn't - thanks. But it goes back to only 2005.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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In article ,
soup wrote:
On 02/11/2014 12:17, Nick Maclaren wrote:
"Who gives a damn about the weebling of geeks?

Thirty three years ago.

Not just then. While the attitude was perhaps understandable
four decades back (most people thought that computing would
remain a specialised niche, with very limited uses), I and
others were still faced with that attitude a decade and less
back.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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"Nick Maclaren" wrote


In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

Other than Goggle Gropes, of course.


There is this one which I think needs your computing skill to work out, I
can't. :-(
https://archive.org/details/usenet

then there is this... which you have probably already worked your way
through...
http://www.livinginternet.com/u/uu_arch.htm


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In article ,
Bob Hobden wrote:

In case anyone knows an answer, do any of them provide archives
and a reasonable search mechanism?

Other than Goggle Gropes, of course.

There is this one which I think needs your computing skill to work out, I
can't. :-(
https://archive.org/details/usenet

As far as I can see, it is a largely uncollated collection of
miscellany, and actually contains very little.

then there is this... which you have probably already worked your way
through...
http://www.livinginternet.com/u/uu_arch.htm

I hadn't, but thanks. It confirms my belief that there are no extant
archives of most of the groups I am interested in, except for the
DejaNews one now owned by Google. And, as I understand it, even
that is very patchy.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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On 06/11/2014 08:54, Nick Maclaren wrote:

soup wrote:
Thirty three years ago.
Not just then.

It was you that said you couldn't find archives that went back beyond 1981.

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In article ,
soup wrote:
On 06/11/2014 08:54, Nick Maclaren wrote:

soup wrote:
Thirty three years ago.
Not just then.

It was you that said you couldn't find archives that went back beyond 1981.

Sigh. Despite Wikipedia, Usenet did not arise like Athena, but was
based on existing mailing lists. Naturally, there would be no Usenet
archives as such before that, but there might be ones of those mailing
lists.

However, that was NOT the context of my posting that you responded to,
which was that I and others had failed to persuade the relevant
libraries and other organisations that computing documentation and
discussions were of any consequence. And THAT started in the 1970s,
with my most recent failure here about a decade ago - even now, the
criteria for archiving such material are much stricter than for some
other, similar material.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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On 06/11/2014 12:27, Nick Maclaren wrote:


DejaNews one now owned by Google. And, as I understand it, even
that is very patchy.

I don't know what it is like now but shortly after Google took over I
tried looking for my early posts and found next to nothing and even
before that not all my early posts (late 1994, early 1995) were still
accessible.

--
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On 06/11/2014 13:40, Nick Maclaren wrote:

Sigh. Despite Wikipedia, Usenet did not arise like Athena, but was
based on existing mailing lists. Naturally, there would be no Usenet
archives as such before that, but there might be ones of those mailing
lists.

Double sigh.
Who[1] would want to read the scribblings of web weenies from thirty
three years ago?
By its de-facto nature Usenet (and its predecessors) posts are not
worthy (beyond the wants of a few academics) of archiving.


[1] Apart from a few academics (who like that sort of thing).

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In article ,
soup wrote:

Sigh. Despite Wikipedia, Usenet did not arise like Athena, but was
based on existing mailing lists. Naturally, there would be no Usenet
archives as such before that, but there might be ones of those mailing
lists.

Double sigh.
Who[1] would want to read the scribblings of web weenies from thirty
three years ago?
By its de-facto nature Usenet (and its predecessors) posts are not
worthy (beyond the wants of a few academics) of archiving.


[1] Apart from a few academics (who like that sort of thing).

It is well-known that trolls are extremly ignorant, so I will
excuse you for not realising how much information on the history
of technology is accessible from such records.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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On 06/11/2014 18:32, Nick Maclaren wrote:

It is well-known that trolls are extremly ignorant, so I will
excuse you for not realising how much information on the history
of technology is accessible from such records.

Oh there is lots of information on the history available in such an
archive..

But is the average schmoo at all interested? Maybe in a few years time
there will be a(nother) TV program on how digital electronic computing
came about and how ARPANET developed into the internet and...

Just as an aside, I am not trolling (bored yes but not trolling) I
genuinely believe that while you think an extensive archive of every
Usenet (and before) post is a good thing I genuinely believe that it is
such a small market and will cost so much that no-one has calculated
that it is worth doing.

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 18:32:39 +0000 (GMT),
Nick Maclaren wrote:

It is well-known that trolls are extremly ignorant, so I will
excuse you for not realising how much information on the history
of technology is accessible from such records.

Suffering from burns by technology, I am backing this statement and want
to add, that conversation-skills, too, benefit from the lecture of
historic postings. In a world where knowledge is considered balast if it
comprises more than knowing which button to push, I am often lacking the
vocabulary (German, French or English, doesn't matter) to give the right
orientation to the people who seek my advice. The “early days” have the
advantage that the basics where about all that we had to talk about. The
communication was clearer and arguments more pertinent.

Those who don't get that now, won't later.

F'up to gardening

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"Peter James" wrote in message
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Try the German server "Individual.new.NET" :

http://news.individual.net at

A retention period of 584 days.


Just fine - only if you do not want binary gropes (:-)

Pete (another !)

It's true that they don't provide binaries but otherwise they are perfect.
I ask myself if I'd want to go away from NIN to see binaries and the answer
is no.
Because if I have a problem with them there is a real person that replies.
Bettina or Florian usually.