I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year, but
it seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to users
outside Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best Usenet
server and I know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to the
EU principles of common trade access.


"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php


--
RG

On 25/12/2014 16:44, RG wrote:
I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year, but
it seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to users
outside Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best Usenet
server and I know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to the
EU principles of common trade access.


"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php



Our NIN account is due to expire in April, but I have just been able to
renew for a further year from its expiry date. It looks as if the new
rule only applies to contracts started or renewed after 1st January.

Others might like to consider renewing now, while they still can.

--
RG

"RG" wrote ..

I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year, but it
seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to users outside
Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best Usenet server and I
know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to the EU
principles of common trade access.


"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we can
only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php


Not heard about it before and I have used NIN for many years, however I have
recently signed up to Terranews so am using both at the moment. Terranews
seem to be OK too and it's a one off payment unless you spend your life on
Usenet.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 16:44:07 +0000, RG wrote:

I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year, but
it seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to users
outside Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best Usenet
server and I know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to the
EU principles of common trade access.


"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php

You can do what many are doing and renew early before the 01.01.2015.
Deadline.
My expiry date was in March 2015, renewing today has taken it to March
2016.
It's only 10 euros being spent a couple of months earlier than I would
have done.

G.Harman

"RG" wrote ...

I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year, but it
seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to users outside
Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best Usenet server and I
know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to the EU
principles of common trade access.


"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we can
only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php


This seems to be the problem.........

http://www.foreigninvestments.eu/en/...ronic-services


So if they continue to take money from outside Germany, where they are
based, they would need to pay VAT in the countries where their customers are
based. An accountants nightmare and very costly to administer.
--
Regards. Bob Hobden.
Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK

In article ,
Bob Hobden wrote:
"RG" wrote ...

I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year, but it
seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to users outside
Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best Usenet server and I
know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to the EU
principles of common trade access.

"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we can
only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php

This seems to be the problem.........

http://www.foreigninvestments.eu/en/...ronic-services

So if they continue to take money from outside Germany, where they are
based, they would need to pay VAT in the countries where their customers are
based. An accountants nightmare and very costly to administer.

But what the euroseptics won't tell you is that the change was
pushed through by - wait for it - our very own UK, certainly as
a principal and possibly as the prime mover.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 26/12/14 16:23, Nick Maclaren wrote:

But what the euroseptics won't tell you is that the change was
pushed through by - wait for it - our very own UK, certainly as
a principal and possibly as the prime mover.

Apparently the UK argued for a minimum threshold below which businesses
did not need to register. The argument was not accepted.

The conspiracy theory is that the UK wanted their argument to fail so
that they would have another stick to beat the EU with.


--
Bernard Peek


In search of cognoscenti (again)

In article ,
Bernard Peek wrote:

But what the euroseptics won't tell you is that the change was
pushed through by - wait for it - our very own UK, certainly as
a principal and possibly as the prime mover.

Apparently the UK argued for a minimum threshold below which businesses
did not need to register. The argument was not accepted.

The conspiracy theory is that the UK wanted their argument to fail so
that they would have another stick to beat the EU with.

You shouldn't trust Whitehall/Murdoch/Wail/Torygraph propaganda.

I was referring to the original proposal, which I knew of a long
time back, because Whitehall and Westminster were not happy that
UK residents were paying VAT to other countries for such things,
because the UK-favoured multinationals - surprise, surprise - use
the countries with the lowest VAT rate. And, yes, it was WE are
going to push for this - and WE did.

Also, I believe that there IS a minimum threshold. Whether that
compliant is genuine, I can't say - but, given it's timing, I
have my doubts. What the UK's representatives negotiate for
(or even insist on) and what is said to the UK public are often
not closely related.

Very probably, the original intent was to target only companies
like Amazon, and the UK's representatives misjudged, so the
threshold is far lower than was originally assumed. That is most
likely the nugget of truth around which the story you heard was
built.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 27/12/14 10:43, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article ,
Bernard Peek wrote:

But what the euroseptics won't tell you is that the change was
pushed through by - wait for it - our very own UK, certainly as
a principal and possibly as the prime mover.

Apparently the UK argued for a minimum threshold below which businesses
did not need to register. The argument was not accepted.

The conspiracy theory is that the UK wanted their argument to fail so
that they would have another stick to beat the EU with.

You shouldn't trust Whitehall/Murdoch/Wail/Torygraph propaganda.

I was referring to the original proposal, which I knew of a long
time back, because Whitehall and Westminster were not happy that
UK residents were paying VAT to other countries for such things,
because the UK-favoured multinationals - surprise, surprise - use
the countries with the lowest VAT rate. And, yes, it was WE are
going to push for this - and WE did.

Also, I believe that there IS a minimum threshold.

No. HMRC said they argued for one but lost the argument. Apparently the
different thresholds in different EU countries made it too complex. So
even if your annual turnover is ninepence three-farthings you still have
to register.



--
Bernard Peek


In search of cognoscenti (again)

On 26/12/14 08:25, Bob Hobden wrote:
"RG" wrote ...

I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year,
but it seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to
users outside Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best
Usenet server and I know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to
the EU principles of common trade access.


"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015,
we can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile
in Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php


This seems to be the problem.........

http://www.foreigninvestments.eu/en/...ronic-services



So if they continue to take money from outside Germany, where they are
based, they would need to pay VAT in the countries where their customers
are based. An accountants nightmare and very costly to administer.

Each country has a method for collecting all of the tax due and
redistributing it to the relevant other countries. In the UK it's called
VATMOSS. To use the system you are required to collect certain
information from the customer but the advice from HMRC is apparently not
written by someone with English as a mother tongue. I'm waiting for my
MP to pry clarification from HMRC. No hurry though, I don't need the
information for another six days.




--
Bernard Peek


In search of cognoscenti (again)

On 26/12/2014 15:54, Chris Hogg wrote:

Not that I care that much, but why should these new arrangements
effect NIN, but not other European-based companies selling goods and
services throughout Europe such as Amazon? I can't see Amazon
restricting it's sales just to, where is it, Luxembourg!


It does affect everyone trading across the EU, but there are new
administrative requirements to ensure that VAT is paid at the local rate
for each individual user. For Amazon etc that is a trivial matter, but
for individuals and small users the overhead is not viable.

--
RG

In article ,
Martin wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2014 08:25:05 -0000, "Bob Hobden" wrote:

This seems to be the problem.........

http://www.foreigninvestments.eu/en/...ronic-services

So if they continue to take money from outside Germany, where they are
based, they would need to pay VAT in the countries where their customers are
based. An accountants nightmare and very costly to administer.

Will VAT paid on Amazon sales in UK go to UK in future go to UK and not
Luxembourg in future?

That is the intent. Whether or not it occurs is another matter.



Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

On 25/12/2014 16:44, RG wrote:
I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year, but
it seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to users
outside Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best Usenet
server and I know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to the
EU principles of common trade access.


"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php


Never heard of it always used eurofeeds - has it been good then?

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On 2014-12-25 16:44:07 +0000, RG said:

I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year,
but it seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to
users outside Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best
Usenet server and I know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to the
EU principles of common trade access.


"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php

Entering that site via my log in, I get a different message
https://news.individual.net/register.php and no indication of the
service being withdrawn. Here it is:

Registration
Signing up at News.Individual.NET
Access to Usenet with News.Individual.NET requires a paid account. If
you already have an account for News.Individual.NET, please go straight
to "My Account", log in, and reactivate your account by paying 10 EUR
for one year of usage. If you don't have an account, you can create one
by completing our registration process below.
If you want to check the quality of our service without obligation
before deciding if you want to pay for it, you can choose during
registration that you would like a free two-week trial account.
During the registration process, the content of the contract will be
explained to you step by step, and you can enter your personal data
required for registration. If you have any questions, please check our
FAQ, and don't hesitate to contact us by e-mail at .
For your records, here are the essential parts of the contract bundled
in one file.
**
Technical note: For registration, you need to have cookies enabled in
your web browser. If you encounter problems with the registration
process, please contact us at:

--

Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.com
South Devon
www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 26/12/2014 16:31, Sacha wrote:
On 2014-12-25 16:44:07 +0000, RG said:

I'm very sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings at this time of year,
but it seems that News Individual Net will no longer be available to
users outside Germany. This is very sad, as it is by far the best
Usenet server and I know that many here rely on it.

It seems to be due to new VAT regulations, but is quite contrary to
the EU principles of common trade access.


"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015,
we can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile
in Germany."

https://news.individual.net/register/step1.php

Entering that site via my log in, I get a different message
https://news.individual.net/register.php and no indication of the
service being withdrawn. Here it is:

Registration
Signing up at News.Individual.NET
Access to Usenet with News.Individual.NET requires a paid account. If
you already have an account for News.Individual.NET, please go straight
to "My Account", log in, and reactivate your account by paying 10 EUR
for one year of usage. If you don't have an account, you can create one
by completing our registration process below.
If you want to check the quality of our service without obligation
before deciding if you want to pay for it, you can choose during
registration that you would like a free two-week trial account.
During the registration process, the content of the contract will be
explained to you step by step, and you can enter your personal data
required for registration. If you have any questions, please check our
FAQ, and don't hesitate to contact us by e-mail at .
For your records, here are the essential parts of the contract bundled
in one file.

Technical note: For registration, you need to have cookies enabled in
your web browser. If you encounter problems with the registration
process, please contact us at:


Hi Sacha!
Yes I get that message by logging in. But then clicking on the 'Go sign
up' button gives me the fuller page with the:
"Due to changes in European tax law coming into force on 01.01.2015, we
can only offer our service to users which have their tax domicile in
Germany" message.

There doesn't seem to have been any warning sent to 'foreign' users
about the service terminating, but I suppose that's not surprising since
the facility is provided by a university at a nominal charge and they
don't have records of where all the users live.

Incidentally I noticed when logging in just now that although I renewed
yesterday for a year until April 2016, it is now offering me another
year until April 2017 if I pay a further 10 euros. I may do just that!

--
RG