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A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought,
or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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Sacha wrote: A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? Yes. Whether it is soil, or what, I don't know. Many plants do that with me, but not all. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 23/01/15 09:53, Sacha wrote:
A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? I can't say I've found many plants that are not scented in my garden, but are scented elsewhere. I do wonder if multiple vegetative propagation might weaken some plants in certain ways, which might include scent, but that would not be a garden-specific change. I do find it hard to believe that in one particular garden normally scented plants are not scented. Plant scents are so varied in their nature and chemical makeup that it is just not feasible for something like soil type to affect them all. I cannot see any scientific explanation for soil type to affect just scent anyway. -- Jeff |
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Jeff Layman wrote: On 23/01/15 09:53, Sacha wrote: A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? I can't say I've found many plants that are not scented in my garden, but are scented elsewhere. I do wonder if multiple vegetative propagation might weaken some plants in certain ways, which might include scent, but that would not be a garden-specific change. Well, that can happen, due to virus load if nothing else. But, as I said, my garden is also one of the poor scenting ones. Typically only to the scent of flowers, and then only to most (i.e. not all). It's odd. I do find it hard to believe that in one particular garden normally scented plants are not scented. Plant scents are so varied in their nature and chemical makeup that it is just not feasible for something like soil type to affect them all. I cannot see any scientific explanation for soil type to affect just scent anyway. They aren't unscented, so much as with very little scent. And there are a LOT of possible scientific explanations, some of which would have soil involvement. There's little point in speculating on why. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? -- I don't know. Last year I bought a red rose Thinking Of You, which was described by various sellers as having a great scent. Although it bloomed beautifully, I could barely detect any scent, nor could anyone else that I showed it to. I brought this matter up on another forum about roses, and one poster said that she had grown plants with 'scented' blooms that didn't have any detectable scent in their first year of planting, but in subsequent years they did produce the anticipated scent. So maybe it takes time for some plants to establish thenselves in different soil conditions before they are happy to reward you. Or maybe in my case the rose breeder was just lying about that rose having a strong scent and fasely describing its scent as a sellingpoint. |
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"Sacha" wrote
A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? It has to be something about conditions they are growing in, possibly nutrients. I say that as, and I have mentioned this before, many years ago my wife used to ensure there was a vase of flowers in the house, normally spray carnations which had no smell at all as bought. I noticed as I arranged them that a few had offshoots that could be used as cuttings so I took them potted them up as any gardener would and when rooted plated them out on our allotment. That meant they grew hard in an open position with no care at all other than weeding. When they eventually started flowering the next season they all had that glorious clove like scent missing from their parents and it was strong too. Can only have been the difference in the way they were grown. Too much fertiliser or rich soil perhaps? -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 23/01/2015 09:53, Sacha wrote:
A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? As scent is one of the ways that plants attract pollinators then if the plant is thriving in nice rich soil and is living in the lap of luxury then why exert all that effort producing scent? Think of lavender a sun-baked rocky soil and the scent is really concentrated, here in wet Wales a lot less scent. Grow 'em hard. David |
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On 2015-01-23 14:44:28 +0000, FrankB said:
"Sacha" wrote in message ... A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? -- I don't know. Last year I bought a red rose Thinking Of You, which was described by various sellers as having a great scent. Although it bloomed beautifully, I could barely detect any scent, nor could anyone else that I showed it to. I brought this matter up on another forum about roses, and one poster said that she had grown plants with 'scented' blooms that didn't have any detectable scent in their first year of planting, but in subsequent years they did produce the anticipated scent. So maybe it takes time for some plants to establish thenselves in different soil conditions before they are happy to reward you. Or maybe in my case the rose breeder was just lying about that rose having a strong scent and fasely describing its scent as a sellingpoint. I could see this except that the customer wasn't talking specifically about any one plant but ALL scented plants. She's bought them from different sources, found them to be highly scented when bought but not in her own garden. And the Daphne bholua Jacqueline Postill is one of the most perfumed plants going. Hers just doesn't perform! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 2015-01-23 17:09:02 +0000, Bob Hobden said:
"Sacha" wrote A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? It has to be something about conditions they are growing in, possibly nutrients. I say that as, and I have mentioned this before, many years ago my wife used to ensure there was a vase of flowers in the house, normally spray carnations which had no smell at all as bought. I noticed as I arranged them that a few had offshoots that could be used as cuttings so I took them potted them up as any gardener would and when rooted plated them out on our allotment. That meant they grew hard in an open position with no care at all other than weeding. When they eventually started flowering the next season they all had that glorious clove like scent missing from their parents and it was strong too. Can only have been the difference in the way they were grown. Too much fertiliser or rich soil perhaps? But she has the opposite problem, Bob. She buys scented plants, puts them into perfectly good ordinary soil and they become almost scentless. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On 2015-01-23 20:47:38 +0000, David Hill said:
On 23/01/2015 09:53, Sacha wrote: A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? As scent is one of the ways that plants attract pollinators then if the plant is thriving in nice rich soil and is living in the lap of luxury then why exert all that effort producing scent? Think of lavender a sun-baked rocky soil and the scent is really concentrated, here in wet Wales a lot less scent. Grow 'em hard. David Hmm, could be. She's here in Devon. Our scented plants are very scented in our garden but hers aren't while plants in gardens closeby are lovely. All a bit strange. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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"sacha" wrote ...
Bob Hobden said: "Sacha" wrote A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? It has to be something about conditions they are growing in, possibly nutrients. I say that as, and I have mentioned this before, many years ago my wife used to ensure there was a vase of flowers in the house, normally spray carnations which had no smell at all as bought. I noticed as I arranged them that a few had offshoots that could be used as cuttings so I took them potted them up as any gardener would and when rooted plated them out on our allotment. That meant they grew hard in an open position with no care at all other than weeding. When they eventually started flowering the next season they all had that glorious clove like scent missing from their parents and it was strong too. Can only have been the difference in the way they were grown. Too much fertiliser or rich soil perhaps? But she has the opposite problem, Bob. She buys scented plants, puts them into perfectly good ordinary soil and they become almost scentless. That is what the professional flower growers had done with those spray carnations, taken well scented flowers and made them grow with no scent. They had grown them soft with too much TLC and fertiliser. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
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On 23/01/15 22:55, sacha wrote:
Hmm, could be. She's here in Devon. Our scented plants are very scented in our garden but hers aren't while plants in gardens closeby are lovely. All a bit strange. I'm a bit confused now. Are you saying you have been to her garden and the plants really /aren't/ scented, but those in other local gardens are? In your OP you said that she has friends whose gardens similarly lacked scent. and that was "because of the soil". Are those local gardens or not? Sorry for the bad pun, but something smells here! I just don't believe that none of the plants in her garden has a scent, while others nearby do. Any chance of you visiting her garden to check out what is going on? -- Jeff |
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On 23/01/15 20:47, David Hill wrote:
On 23/01/2015 09:53, Sacha wrote: A customer came in yesterday who said that, no matter what she bought, or where, scented plants seem always to lose their scent once she gets them into her garden. Even her Daphne bholura 'Jacqueline Postill' is poorly scented. She says friends have said the same of their gardens and have been told it's because of the time of soil they have. Warmth makes no difference, apparently. Has anyone else experience of this, or heard of soil making a difference to scent? As scent is one of the ways that plants attract pollinators then if the plant is thriving in nice rich soil and is living in the lap of luxury then why exert all that effort producing scent? Because that's the way it reproduces. It has nothing to do with the way the plant feels in itself (if one can anthropomorphise a plant's feelings anyway - if it has any...). It needs that pollinator to pass on its genes to the next generation. That is its primary purpose - to pass its genes on. No scent, no pollination, no reproduction. End of line. Think of lavender a sun-baked rocky soil and the scent is really concentrated, here in wet Wales a lot less scent. That's because it's cold and wet, and the scent has been partially washed away. Smell the plant the next time it's warm and dry (probably July 2021 in Wales) and then see if it has any scent. Grow 'em hard. That I do agree with! -- Jeff |
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