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Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have
just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. There are a couple of Loniceras, and maybe Holboellia (but is it hardy enough?) which might do. But the only one which seems truly hardy and otherwise fits is Rubus henryi. But that may be a bit vigorous, and one reference states that it spreads by root suckers! At a pinch, Passiflora caerulea /might/ survive, but I doubt that Mutisia oligodon or spinosa would. We already have Clematis cirrhosa, and Clematis armandii Hendersonii rubra is nearby. Does anyone here grow Rubus henryi? Does it spread? Anyone got any suggestions for other plants which fit the bill? -- Jeff |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:57:13 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:
My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. There are a couple of Loniceras, and maybe Holboellia (but is it hardy enough?) which might do. But the only one which seems truly hardy and otherwise fits is Rubus henryi. But that may be a bit vigorous, and one reference states that it spreads by root suckers! At a pinch, Passiflora caerulea /might/ survive, but I doubt that Mutisia oligodon or spinosa would. We already have Clematis cirrhosa, and Clematis armandii Hendersonii rubra is nearby. Does anyone here grow Rubus henryi? Does it spread? Anyone got any suggestions for other plants which fit the bill? Does she like red &/or pink? Jasminum beesianum |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
On 15/04/15 12:48, BlackSpot wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:57:13 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. There are a couple of Loniceras, and maybe Holboellia (but is it hardy enough?) which might do. But the only one which seems truly hardy and otherwise fits is Rubus henryi. But that may be a bit vigorous, and one reference states that it spreads by root suckers! At a pinch, Passiflora caerulea /might/ survive, but I doubt that Mutisia oligodon or spinosa would. We already have Clematis cirrhosa, and Clematis armandii Hendersonii rubra is nearby. Does anyone here grow Rubus henryi? Does it spread? Anyone got any suggestions for other plants which fit the bill? Does she like red &/or pink? Jasminum beesianum It's deciduous. But funny you should mention Jasmine. On the other side of the arch is a well-established Jasminum officinale 'Aureum'! Oh, and it's me who would prefer something other than a white flower. -- Jeff |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
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Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. Consider Bignonia capreolata (cross-vine). It kept most of its leaves on against a warmish wall in Cambridge, and you are a lot warmer. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
On 15/04/15 14:41, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. Consider Bignonia capreolata (cross-vine). It kept most of its leaves on against a warmish wall in Cambridge, and you are a lot warmer. Thanks. I didn't realise it could be more-or-less evergreen. But I will pass on any Bignonia - in our last garden I put in Campsis X Tagliabuana (probably 'Madame Galen'). It was fine for 5 years, then started putting out suckers, some 3 metres or more from the parent plant. I couldn't kill it with glyphosate, spraying everything green that I could, and cutting off the main 35 mm diameter trunk about 250 mm above ground level, drilling a few 5 mm holes in the top, and filling with glyphosate concentrate. Every time I thought I'd got it, more suckers appeared. It wasn't only me, as my neighbour put one in when he saw mine, and a few years later his started throwing suckers too! But it may be that Bignonia capreolata only suckers under certain conditions. I see in the Dave's Garden webpage that most growers have had no problem. Maybe Charlie Pridham could comment, as Roseland House sells it. -- Jeff |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
On 14/04/2015 15:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. There are a couple of Loniceras, and maybe Holboellia (but is it hardy enough?) which might do. But the only one which seems truly hardy and otherwise fits is Rubus henryi. But that may be a bit vigorous, and one reference states that it spreads by root suckers! At a pinch, Passiflora caerulea /might/ survive, but I doubt that Mutisia oligodon or spinosa would. We already have Clematis cirrhosa, and Clematis armandii Hendersonii rubra is nearby. Does anyone here grow Rubus henryi? Does it spread? Anyone got any suggestions for other plants which fit the bill? Know this isn't quite what you wanted but............ Many years ago C4 had a series "Gardens without borders" and in one prog they showed a Cotoneaster Arch and it looked great. granted white flowers in the spring but red berries in the autumn. David @ a very sunny side of Swansea Bay |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
On 16/04/15 09:14, David Hill wrote:
On 14/04/2015 15:57, Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. There are a couple of Loniceras, and maybe Holboellia (but is it hardy enough?) which might do. But the only one which seems truly hardy and otherwise fits is Rubus henryi. But that may be a bit vigorous, and one reference states that it spreads by root suckers! At a pinch, Passiflora caerulea /might/ survive, but I doubt that Mutisia oligodon or spinosa would. We already have Clematis cirrhosa, and Clematis armandii Hendersonii rubra is nearby. Does anyone here grow Rubus henryi? Does it spread? Anyone got any suggestions for other plants which fit the bill? Know this isn't quite what you wanted but............ Many years ago C4 had a series "Gardens without borders" and in one prog they showed a Cotoneaster Arch and it looked great. granted white flowers in the spring but red berries in the autumn. David @ a very sunny side of Swansea Bay Good idea - I'll bear it in mind. I believe that because C. horizontalis is (or perhaps was) so common, cotoneasters are often overlooked. They are fine plants. As it happens, not far from the arch is a C. hybridus pendulus. It is about 3.5 metres high, and fortunately we can't see the "lousy" side. The previous owner let a large cupressus encroach on it, compounded by the cupressus being partially blown over onto the cotoneaster. We had the cupressus removed when we moved in 2.5 years ago, and the cotoneaster has started to grow out again. But I reckon it will take at least another 5 years for it to fill out. But we can see the "perfect" side - the branches tumble over and actually drag along the ground. It looks fantastic in flower and fruit. -- Jeff |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
On 14/04/2015 15:57, Jeff Layman wrote:
My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. There are a couple of Loniceras, and maybe Holboellia (but is it hardy enough?) which might do. But the only one which seems truly hardy and otherwise fits is Rubus henryi. But that may be a bit vigorous, and one reference states that it spreads by root suckers! At a pinch, Passiflora caerulea /might/ survive, but I doubt that Mutisia oligodon or spinosa would. We already have Clematis cirrhosa, and Clematis armandii Hendersonii rubra is nearby. Does anyone here grow Rubus henryi? Does it spread? Anyone got any suggestions for other plants which fit the bill? See what you think of Berberidopsis corallina, Eccremocarpus scaber or Solanum crispum 'Glasnevin'. The first appreciates partial shade, the others full sun. Burncoose reckon they're hardy down to -10*C. All fairly long-flowering. Any good? -- Spider. On high ground in SE London gardening on heavy clay |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
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Spider wrote: On 14/04/2015 15:57, Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. See what you think of Berberidopsis corallina, Eccremocarpus scaber or Solanum crispum 'Glasnevin'. The first appreciates partial shade, the others full sun. Burncoose reckon they're hardy down to -10*C. All fairly long-flowering. If I recall, the first needs an acid soil and both sexes of plant, but I may be misremembering. Eccremocarpus is short-lived and tends towards the herbaceous in the cold, though it will self-seed if it likes the location (which I don't think includes clay). Solanum crispum is deciduous and suffers from dead branches in the cold. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. Consider Bignonia capreolata (cross-vine). It kept most of its leaves on against a warmish wall in Cambridge, and you are a lot warmer. Regards, Nick Maclaren. That's one of the better choices, Lonicera henryi and Lonicera alseuosmoides both have some colour. Akebia longiracemosa is proving more evergreen than the semi evergreen quinata. but as you said choice is limited unless you are in a mild spot, I do OK with Pandorea jasminoides rosea superba and clytostoma callistegoides but not on a wall you need to be close to the coast. of the passiflora easily the best is 'Betty Myles Young' |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 15/04/15 14:41, Nick Maclaren wrote: In article , Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. Consider Bignonia capreolata (cross-vine). It kept most of its leaves on against a warmish wall in Cambridge, and you are a lot warmer. Thanks. I didn't realise it could be more-or-less evergreen. But I will pass on any Bignonia - in our last garden I put in Campsis X Tagliabuana (probably 'Madame Galen'). It was fine for 5 years, then started putting out suckers, some 3 metres or more from the parent plant. I couldn't kill it with glyphosate, spraying everything green that I could, and cutting off the main 35 mm diameter trunk about 250 mm above ground level, drilling a few 5 mm holes in the top, and filling with glyphosate concentrate. Every time I thought I'd got it, more suckers appeared. It wasn't only me, as my neighbour put one in when he saw mine, and a few years later his started throwing suckers too! But it may be that Bignonia capreolata only suckers under certain conditions. I see in the Dave's Garden webpage that most growers have had no problem. Maybe Charlie Pridham could comment, as Roseland House sells it. -- Jeff Sorry hadn't read this when I replied to Nick, its not suckered here. -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cvs http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
On 16/04/15 20:22, Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , Spider wrote: On 14/04/2015 15:57, Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. See what you think of Berberidopsis corallina, Eccremocarpus scaber or Solanum crispum 'Glasnevin'. The first appreciates partial shade, the others full sun. Burncoose reckon they're hardy down to -10*C. All fairly long-flowering. If I recall, the first needs an acid soil and both sexes of plant, but I may be misremembering. Eccremocarpus is short-lived and tends towards the herbaceous in the cold, though it will self-seed if it likes the location (which I don't think includes clay). Solanum crispum is deciduous and suffers from dead branches in the cold. I've grown Berberidopsis corallina before. In one place it lived for many years. In another it died after one year. Both were in the shade in ericaceous soil. It does not like sun, but I had it in flower every year in the shade. Never seen any fruit though. Maybe it needs a different clone to fruit. I guess that E. scaber could be grown from seed each year, but then there are quite a few non-hardy annuals which would also do. But I'm really after an evergreen. -- Jeff |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
On 16/04/15 22:11, Charlie Pridham wrote:
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. Consider Bignonia capreolata (cross-vine). It kept most of its leaves on against a warmish wall in Cambridge, and you are a lot warmer. Regards, Nick Maclaren. That's one of the better choices, Lonicera henryi and Lonicera alseuosmoides both have some colour. Akebia longiracemosa is proving more evergreen than the semi evergreen quinata. but as you said choice is limited unless you are in a mild spot, I do OK with Pandorea jasminoides rosea superba and clytostoma callistegoides but not on a wall you need to be close to the coast. of the passiflora easily the best is 'Betty Myles Young' Thanks, Charlie. Akebia longiracemosa looks very interesting - I grew trifoliata at our previous place. Lonicera henryi is probably a bit vigorous, but L.alseuosmoides seems to be a bit less of a thug. Having a look at your "Climbers" webpages, I wondered if Ercilla volubilis might be ok. I'm sure I've seen that covering a wall somewhere /not/ in the south. Anyway, I hope to be down your way in June, so looks like the Tuesday or Wednesday that week is already reserved! -- Jeff |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
On 17/04/2015 13:43, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 16/04/15 22:11, Charlie Pridham wrote: "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. Consider Bignonia capreolata (cross-vine). It kept most of its leaves on against a warmish wall in Cambridge, and you are a lot warmer. Regards, Nick Maclaren. That's one of the better choices, Lonicera henryi and Lonicera alseuosmoides both have some colour. Akebia longiracemosa is proving more evergreen than the semi evergreen quinata. but as you said choice is limited unless you are in a mild spot, I do OK with Pandorea jasminoides rosea superba and clytostoma callistegoides but not on a wall you need to be close to the coast. of the passiflora easily the best is 'Betty Myles Young' Thanks, Charlie. Akebia longiracemosa looks very interesting - I grew trifoliata at our previous place. Lonicera henryi is probably a bit vigorous, but L.alseuosmoides seems to be a bit less of a thug. Having a look at your "Climbers" webpages, I wondered if Ercilla volubilis might be ok. I'm sure I've seen that covering a wall somewhere /not/ in the south. Anyway, I hope to be down your way in June, so looks like the Tuesday or Wednesday that week is already reserved! "Lonicera henryi is probably a bit vigorous" That must be the understatement of the year, I have it growing well over 30 ft up in an oak tree. I've known it to grow over 15 ft in a year. Great in the right place, but over an arch I think not unless it's like Marble arch. David @ a still dry side of Swansea Bay |
Non-white flowered evergreen climbers
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message ... On 16/04/15 22:11, Charlie Pridham wrote: "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Jeff Layman wrote: My wife asked me to find an evergreen climber for an arch which we have just replaced. I thought the choice would be pretty large, but that isn't the case. Just about all are white-flowered, maybe cream, but good colour is very rare. The plant would get sun all day, and would be about 3 metres from a south-facing wall. FWIW, I'm in south Hampshire and the soil has a fair amount of clay in it. Consider Bignonia capreolata (cross-vine). It kept most of its leaves on against a warmish wall in Cambridge, and you are a lot warmer. Regards, Nick Maclaren. That's one of the better choices, Lonicera henryi and Lonicera alseuosmoides both have some colour. Akebia longiracemosa is proving more evergreen than the semi evergreen quinata. but as you said choice is limited unless you are in a mild spot, I do OK with Pandorea jasminoides rosea superba and clytostoma callistegoides but not on a wall you need to be close to the coast. of the passiflora easily the best is 'Betty Myles Young' Thanks, Charlie. Akebia longiracemosa looks very interesting - I grew trifoliata at our previous place. Lonicera henryi is probably a bit vigorous, but L.alseuosmoides seems to be a bit less of a thug. Having a look at your "Climbers" webpages, I wondered if Ercilla volubilis might be ok. I'm sure I've seen that covering a wall somewhere /not/ in the south. Anyway, I hope to be down your way in June, so looks like the Tuesday or Wednesday that week is already reserved! -- Jeff We are up at Longstock on Monday May 4th if that's any help? I know I have met you there but have no idea how far you had come to get there!! -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cvs http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
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